American Indian and Alaska Native Public Witness Hearing

Tribal Programs and FundingHouse Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies · February 25, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies held the first of three public witness days dedicated to American Indian and Alaska Native programs, hearing from a record roughly 98–100 tribes and tribal organizations. Begins at ▶ 0:02:50
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Title

Tribal leaders testify on federal funding cuts and treaty obligations

Purpose

The House Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies held the first of three public witness days dedicated to American Indian and Alaska Native programs, hearing from a record roughly 98–100 tribes and tribal organizations. Chairman Mike Simpson and Ranking Member Chellie Pingree opened the hearing amid concerns that Trump administration funding freezes, federal hiring freezes, and firings of probationary employees were disrupting tribal health, law enforcement, education, and infrastructure programs governed by federal treaty and trust obligations. Full Committee Chairman Tom Cole, an enrolled member of the Chickasaw Nation, also joined to discuss the FY2025 and FY2026 appropriations outlook. Begins at▶ 0:02:50

Who spoke

• Chairman Mike Simpson (R-ID)▶ 0:02:50: Opened the hearing, explained testimony logistics, and repeatedly emphasized bipartisan commitment to treaty and trust responsibilities▶ 0:02:50; noted funding freezes for IHS and DOI Indian Affairs had been unfrozen but some IRA/infrastructure law funds remained frozen▶ 2:05:00.

• Ranking Member Chellie Pingree (D-ME)▶ 0:05:20: Said the administration had "unleashed chaos and disruption" into indigenous communities via hiring freezes and probationary firings▶ 0:05:20; pressed witnesses throughout on EPA access and law enforcement funding gaps.

• Donna Thompson, Vice-Chair, Fort Hall Business Council (Shoshone-Bannock Tribes)▶ 0:06:56: Said the tribe's police department has only 9 of a needed 25 officers patrolling 550,000 acres▶ 0:09:23; cited a Bia report showing $1.7 billion in law enforcement need against $256 million funded▶ 0:09:53.

• Chief Allen, Chairman, Coeur d'Alene Tribe▶ 0:11:55: Described the tribe as North Idaho's second-largest employer with over 5,000 employees▶ 0:12:25; discussed land buyback efforts (over 100,000 acres) slowed by federal red tape▶ 0:14:26.

• Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK), Full Committee Chairman▶ 0:43:53: Praised bipartisan work on the subcommittee and noted the House passed a $38 billion interior bill last year but it is stalled pending broader negotiations▶ 1:32:40; said Secretary Burgum ordered no interruption of Indian-related funding flows▶ 0:48:25.

• Stacy Shepherd, Executive Officer of Member Services, Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma▶ 0:27:06: Described the Choctaw Language School reaching 1,100 students▶ 0:28:07 and the Jones Academy residential school serving 147 students with 90% college/military enrollment▶ 0:29:37; said the Posy summer program has served 33,000 students▶ 0:31:39.

• Audrey Lee, Second Chief, Sac and Fox Nation▶ 0:33:16: Requested $6.52 million for the tribe's Juvenile Detention Center▶ 0:36:18 and $3 million for the EPA General Assistance Program▶ 0:36:48; cited a 2022 Skull Creek spill releasing about 300,000 gallons of oil▶ 0:37:49.

• Mike Natchees, Councilman, Ute Indian Tribe▶ 0:38:22: Asked Congress to finalize the tribe's Tribal Energy Development Agreement (TERA)▶ 0:39:20; said the tribe just lost 7 of 8 staff who process federal energy approvals▶ 0:40:20, and cited $643 billion in indirect revenue and 8,300 jobs tied to reservation oil/gas▶ 0:41:21.

• Chairman Mike Simpson questioned witnesses on land transfer delays and reservation-specific issues throughout the first panel.

• Frank Star Comes Out, President, Oglala Sioux Tribe▶ 1:50:47: Said the tribe is 54,000 members on 3.3 million acres operating law enforcement at about 15% of need▶ 1:57:21; argued current treaty obligations are being "violated and challenged" by the administration▶ 1:53:19.

• Kathleen Wooden Knife, President, Rosebud Sioux Tribe▶ 1:42:13: Said IHS need-based funding is estimated north of $50 billion versus $7 billion appropriated▶ 1:45:44; said the tribe has 17 of 24 funded officer positions covering 26,000 people over 1 million acres▶ 1:46:15, and flagged a reported cut of law enforcement credit card limits to $1▶ 1:48:15.

• Kirk Francis, Chief, Penobscot Indian Nation▶ 1:01:21: Said the tribe was locked out of its own Department of Interior trust funds for several weeks before access was restored▶ 1:02:22; cited a six-year decline in Native American life expectancy▶ 1:03:23 and described Bia refusing to let the tribe contract with local police▶ 1:05:24.

• Corey Hinton, Attorney/citizen, Passamaquoddy Tribe▶ 1:07:26: Testified on behalf of Chief William Nicholas; said the tribe's child and family services staff of under three handles over 90 active cases▶ 1:10:59.

• John Johnson, President, Lac du Flambeau Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians▶ 1:12:29: Urged protection of 638 contract funding and cited last year's $38 billion House interior bill as a baseline to build on▶ 1:15:00.

• Brian Harris, Chief, Catawba Nation▶ 1:17:32: Said FY2024 ICWA Title II funding is only $16 million▶ 1:19:03; described unresolved repatriation of ancestor Wade Ayers from the Carlisle Indian Industrial School and asked Congress to amend NAGPRA to cover the Army▶ 1:23:05.

• Rep. Tom Cole followed up on Carlisle repatriation jurisdiction and EICWA funding▶ 1:33:41.

• Ryman LeBeau, Chairman, Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe▶ 2:08:48: Cited only 16 law enforcement officers covering an area the size of Connecticut▶ 2:09:48; requested $53 million for a new school to replace a 60-year-old facility▶ 2:11:20.

• Janet Alkire, Chairwoman, Standing Rock Sioux Tribe▶ 2:14:52: Said the tribe has 7 of 30 authorized patrol officers▶ 2:18:25; described a detention center boiler failure at 39 degrees below zero forcing release of 39 detainees▶ 2:19:25.

• Steven Orihuela, Chairman, Bishop Paiute Tribe▶ 2:27:37: Proposed transferring excess federal land near the reservation to tribal control▶ 2:29:37; discussed a water settlement effort with the LA Department of Water and Power▶ 2:30:38.

• Cecilia Flores, Tribal Council Chairwoman, Alabama-Coushatta Tribe▶ 2:33:40: Said the tribe has waited over 11 years for a Solicitor's Office opinion on law enforcement jurisdiction needed for 638 funding▶ 2:36:13.

• Charles Martin, Chairman, Morongo Band of Mission Indians▶ 2:37:37: Said tribal program funding covers less than 1% of Morongo's governmental budget▶ 2:39:45; called for a minimum $500,000 Bia law enforcement allocation per tribe▶ 2:41:46 and mandatory funding of contract support costs▶ 2:42:17.

• Erica Pinto, Chairwoman, Jamul Indian Village▶ 2:43:47: Described using federal funds to harden the electric grid against wildfire risk▶ 2:44:49 and cited California's fifth-largest MMIP caseload nationally▶ 2:46:49.

• Rep. Juan Ciscomani (R-AZ) (unidentified by name in transcript but self-described district member)▶ 2:58:03: Cited the six-year Native American life-expectancy decline as worse than any other ethnic group, dropping from 71.8 to 65.2 years▶ 2:58:33.

Key moments

• Fort Hall's Donna Thompson said the Bia funds law enforcement need at only $256 million against a documented $1.7 billion need, leaving 9 officers to patrol 550,000 acres▶ 0:09:23▶ 0:09:53.

• Kirk Francis said Penobscot Nation was locked out of its own DOI-held trust funds for several weeks before regaining access "late last week"▶ 1:02:22▶ 1:02:52.

• Mike Natchees said the Ute Indian Tribe lost 7 of 8 staff needed to process federal energy approvals just the past week, threatening $643 billion in indirect economic activity▶ 0:40:20▶ 0:41:21.

• Kathleen Wooden Knife noted a reported reduction of law enforcement credit card limits to $1, which would prevent officers from buying fuel across Indian Country▶ 1:48:15.

• Janet Alkire described a detention center boiler failure at -39°F forcing the release of 39 nonviolent detainees before heat was restored at 2 a.m.▶ 2:19:25.

• Rep. Tom Cole said the House-passed $38 billion interior appropriations bill from last year is "hanging fire" because the Senate has not passed any appropriations bill, leaving the extra tribal funding in limbo pending a broader deal▶ 1:32:10▶ 1:33:10.

• Brian Harris said Carlisle boarding school victim Wade Ayers was buried in a mismarked grave containing a 12-year-old child's remains instead, and asked Congress to amend NAGPRA to cover the U.S. Army▶ 1:22:34▶ 1:23:35.

• Cecilia Flores said the Alabama-Coushatta Tribe has waited over 11 years for a Solicitor's Office opinion on federal criminal jurisdiction needed to restore 638 law enforcement funding▶ 2:36:13.

• Chief Allen and Donna Thompson both said trained tribal police officers leave for higher-paying nearby jobs shortly after certification, a churn problem Chairman Simpson acknowledged needs a systemic fix▶ 0:17:27▶ 0:17:58.

• Frank Star Comes Out told the committee "nothing's changed" after years of testifying on treaty violations, prompting Simpson to acknowledge slow but real progress▶ 1:55:20▶ 2:00:25.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateFebruary 25, 2025
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Mike Natchees — Councilman, Ute Indian Tribe
Stacy Shepherd — Executive Officer of Member Services, Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma
Audrey Lee — Second Chief, Sac and Fox Nation
Charles Martin — Chairman, Morongo Band of Mission Indians
Frank Star Comes Out — President, Oglala Sioux Tribe
Donna Thompson — Vice-Chair, Fort Hall Business Council of the Shoshone-Bannock Tribes
Kirk Francis — Chief, Penobscot Indian Nation
Kathleen Wooden Knife — President, Rosebud Sioux Tribe
Ryman Lebeau — Chairman, Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe
Cecilia Flores — Tribal Council Chairwoman, Alabama-Coushatta Tribe
John Johnson — President, Lac du Flambeau Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians
Erica Pinto — Chairwoman, Jamul Indian Village
Chief Allen — Chairman, Coeur d'Alene Tribe
Janet Alkire — Chairwoman, Standing Rock Sioux Tribe
Corey Hinton — Citizen, Passamaquoddy Tribe
Brian Harris — Chief, Catawba Nation
Steven Orihuela — Chairman, Bishop Paiute Tribe
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