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▶ 0:18:01good how are you the subcommittee on immigration Integrity security and enforcement will come to order I want to thank all of you for coming today this is a new age for America a new golden age we all pray and uh it's a privilege for all of us to have a small role in this crucial period in in our history I want to begin by welcoming the new members of the subcommittee uh uh we have uh Russell fry uh who will be joining us shortly
▶ 0:18:31he's uh a member of the Judiciary Committee but this will be his first in on the subcommittee on immigration he's in his second term a former Eagle Scout and uh has his degree from the law school of South Carolina Glenn growman also a veteran of the Judiciary Committee uh served in the Wisconsin State Senate his JD is from Wisconsin uh Brad not uh who is here is a freshman uh worked as a prosecutor
▶ 0:19:02with the JD from Wake Forest Bob odner who is here present um served in the Missouri State senate with a JD from St Louis University uh Derek Schmidt of freshman from Kansas's second district former Attorney General of the state of Kansas former Majority Leader uh of the Kansas uh uh Senate and um with the JD from Georgetown and finally Brandon Gil a freshman member from Texas
▶ 0:19:32uh an investment banker we welcome all of them to the subcommittee today uh our uh ranking our our our ranking member Miss Gia Paul is absent today because of the death of her father and our hearts go out to her and her grieving family she'll be represented today by our former chairman and ranking member of the subcommittee MS Lofgren to whom I'll yield to introduce the new Democratic member well thank you Mr uh chairman we have uh now on the subcommittee Mr
▶ 0:20:03Nadler um Miss scanland Miss uh uh Crockett Mr Cohen I think they are new to the subcommittee the other members have served before and we're looking forward to a productive year and with that I would yield back for our opening statements thank you uh the subcommittee meets today to hear testimony to assist us in uh restoring Integrity security and enforcement to our immigration laws uh and we'll begin with opening statements um our nation has just suffered the largest
▶ 0:20:33illegal Mass migration in history deliberately engineered abetted and encouraged by President Joe Biden and his allies in Congress for four years the American people have endured the effect of this calculated lawlessness schools flooded with non-english-speaking students hospitals packed with illegals demanding free health care Americans pushed out of homeless shelters to make room for illegals an estimated $150 billion dollar
▶ 0:21:03a year taken from struggling American families to pay for free food free legal services free Transportation Free Housing free clothing free cell phones for all of those who have broken into our country millions of American workers have been displaced driving down wages and drying up opportunities for our own young people the deadly fentel trade coming across our open border now claims the lives of tens thousands of Americans every year and worst of all among these illegal migrants have
▶ 0:21:33come the most violent dangerous and malevolent criminals and criminal gangs in the world while Sanctuary laws and Democratic jurisdictions protect them as they prey on innocent Americans every immigration related agency in Biden's executive branch had a part in destroying the Integrity of our immigration system I offer you just a few examples the US citizenship and Immigration Services did nothing to stop stop extensive fraud in Mass parole programs that it implemented and delayed adjudication
▶ 0:22:04of legal immigration applications in favor of those for illegal aliens the state department gave US taxpayer money to non-governmental organizations to hire foreign Nationals to tell other foreign Nationals how to circumvent US immigration laws the Department of Homeland Security refused to prevent fraud and VIs Visa programs and brought interior immigration enforcement to a standstill Customs
▶ 0:22:34and Border Protection abused its Authority by paroling in over 531 th000 foreign Nationals in just one categorical parole program the Department of Health and Human Services ignored its duty to determine whether unaccompanied Alien Children who arrived at the border had criminal backgrounds and were in uh danger to themselves or others before releasing them into our country the office of refugee resettlement used taxpayer dollars to fund housing for illegal aliens
▶ 0:23:04the Department of Justice told its immigration judges to stop adjudicating cases and It reversed Common Sense Trump era opinions that prevented Asylum fraud time and again we were told by the Biden Administration and Congressional Democrats that our border was Secure we were told there was no National Security or public safety risk we were told the administration could do nothing more to prevent illegal immigration but Americans knew better
▶ 0:23:35and they finally got tired of feeling unsafe in their own towns tired of seeing illegal aliens sleeping in their Community Schools recreation centers airports and police stations and tired of footing the bills for foreign Nationals who showed nothing but contempt for us law and on November the 5th last year they delivered a resounding Victory to president Donald Trump with a clear and unambiguous mandate to stop this Insanity yesterday president Trump within hours of returning
▶ 0:24:05to the presidency issued 11 executive orders to once again secure our borders recover our sovereignty protect our people and restore the rule of law the wreckage of the Biden years will take many years to repair between the 6 million ill legals deliberately trafficked into our country in another 2 million known Goda ways who evaded an utterly over overwhelmed border patrol an illegal and unvetted population the size of the state of Washington has been ushered into our
▶ 0:24:35country that population includes at least 99 terrorists that we know of more than 1.4 million aliens who are right now defying court orders of removal 7.6 million aliens on the ice non-detained docket president Trump's executive orders reinstate the successful remain in Mexico program that had brought phony Asylum claims to a trickle until Joe Biden abolished it on his first day in office they revoke Biden's anti- enforcement executive orders and policies and
▶ 0:25:06make clear to the world that the only pathway into the United States is to obey our laws and after the largest illegal Mass migration in history this Administration must now undertake the largest repatriation operation in history and I speak for every Republican on this committee and I believe every Republican in this Congress when I I say we will stand behind him in this necessary work this Congress must not only give president Trump the tools to restore
▶ 0:25:36our national sovereignty but we must also enact laws so that a future Democratic president cannot once again throw our borders wide open we need to reform our Asylum laws to ensure that only legitimate claims will be honored we must close the loopholes that allowed Biden to abuse The Limited Parole Authority that Congress gave him we must revamp our unaccompanied minor laws to prevent human trafficking that ran rampant under Biden and we must rescue the hundreds of thousands of children
▶ 0:26:06that Biden and his administration simply lost track of we must restore Integrity to our temporary and permanent Visa programs so that only those who are an asset to America can take advantage of them much of that work will fall to this subcommittee and all of that work begins today I look forward to hearing from our witnesses to help us chart that path and with that I to the ranking member State uh thank you Mr chairman uh immigration to the United States has played an important role
▶ 0:26:36over the centuries in making America a vibrant prosperous and successful country but it is broadly agreed that our current immigration system is broken we need to make necessary reforms and then vigorously enforce the law we need to provide the resources necessary to secure the border and provide that only those who are permitted entry to the United States are in fact so admitted um the resources should include adequate Personnel
▶ 0:27:06technology and other tools to allow for the orderly entry of only those who secured the proper permission for entry uh but we also need to change the law to reform the law and when we look to the administration I think sometimes we should look in the mirror because the necessary reform of immigration law is a failure of Congress uh we have tried over the years to improve the law and in every case have failed with our immigration system broken and no
▶ 0:27:36longer uh functioning as it was once intended change is necessary now I would include that from families separated due to overly punitive laws to a dysfunctional employment-based system mired in unworkable backlogs to a lengthy and overly complex uh Asylum process that has been exploited by transnational criminal organizations praying upon the desperate the immigration and nationality act screams for reform
▶ 0:28:07the failure to do that I believe as the chairman has indicated did lead uh to an election of someone who promised to engage in Mass deportations which I don't believe is necessarily the answer to the challenge that we Face uh without reform of the law the executive is now uh trying to use a section of the law 212f in a way that it was probably never intended and in the in the past the courts have disallowed the frustration
▶ 0:28:38with our immigration uh border uh problem has also led the president uh to to engage in a direct attack on the Constitution uh the 14th Amendment says all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof our citizens of the United States and the state wherein they reside that's pretty clear and there's uh going back to uh the adoption of this amendment
▶ 0:29:08there's never been a question uh about if you're born here you're an American but there's a direct assault on that and the idea that this is being done in the in the uh effort to preserve Public Safety I think is bellied by the other executive action taken by the president presid just yesterday where the president Trump uh pardoned hundreds of felons who violently attacked police officers on January 6th decision to release
▶ 0:29:39violent criminals into our community makes America less safe more than 1500 criminals were pardoned including and I'll just mention three Steve capucho who uh ripped off officer Daniel Hodes gas mask and beat him in the face while he was stuck in a door and the attack was so violent that capucho held his phone in his mouth so he could beat officer Hobbs with both hands DJ Rodriguez who joined a mob attacking officer Michael
▶ 0:30:09fenon and repeatedly shocked him in the neck with a taser causing him to lose Consciousness and suffer a heart attack and David Dempsey who climbed over other riers to get officers where he stomped on at least one officer's head beat officers with a flag pole a crutch and a broken piece of furniture and sprayed officers faces with pepper spray don't tell me that the motivation uh for immigration Crackdown is Public Safety when we release
▶ 0:30:39these violent criminals back into our communities uh Mr chairman as you know I used to teach immigration law uh and I well understand the need for reform uh but I do hope that we will require executive Act actions to comply with existing law and turn our attention to the necessary reforms that is really our Province here in the United States Congress and with that I yield back CH is now please to recognize
▶ 0:31:09the chairman of the house Judiciary Committee Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio thank you Mr chairman and the chairman was exactly right in his opening statement on day one of the Biden Administration they made a decision made three decisions they said we're no longer going to build a wall we're no longer going to have remain in Mexico and when you get to our border you will not be detained you will be released and and guess what everybody came it was deliberate it was intentional it was Premed they they did it to the country and now it's time to fix that as the chairman pointed out I
▶ 0:31:39mean think about it what they said was no weight no wall no detention everybody came and we we shouldn't be surprised that who wouldn't want to come to the greatest country ever but you got to do it legally that's the problem and so yesterday the president started what the American people said to do on November 5th started with those 11 executive orders that the chairman talked about and this hearing is to highlight what took place over the last four years and what we have to do to fix the problem the American people elected us to fix so I appreciate
▶ 0:32:10the good work our chairman has done over these last several years good work he did on hr2 the work he's doing with this this key subcommittee on this key issue this is critically important and we're our our our job one of our job this with reconciliation we Republicans understand this is to make sure we have the funds of available to execute and get accomplished the executive orders the administration the president put in place over the last 24 hours so that's our task and I appreciate again the work of this committee our staff and our great
▶ 0:32:40chairman uh of this key key subcommittee with that I yield back SH now recognizes the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee Mr Jamie Rasin of Maryland for an opening statement thank you Mr chairman um the chairman began by saying the point here is to restore restore the rule of law restore the rule of law can you even pretend to do that if you stand by and support Donald Trump who on day
▶ 0:33:10one as the chairman of the committee just said day one of his presidency pardon 1,500 insurrectionists including hundreds of people who violently assaulted and attacked American police officers let's just take one person who is free today Julian Kar who had been convicted after having having every due process protection the right to counsel the right to cross-examine Witnesses the right to introduce
▶ 0:33:41evidence uh but they add him completely they knew exactly what happened most of this was videotaped so the whole world could see it well Julian Kar repeatedly violently assaulted our officer protecting us in Congress officer Brian s niic who then proceeded to have several strokes and died on January the 7th 2021 the next day the family of officers snik is
▶ 0:34:11absolutely devastated and demolished by what's just happened I invite any of my colleagues including the members new to this committee who maybe weren't here on January 6 and didn't experience the trauma of that violent Insurrection when we saw a mob marauding through here yelling hang Mike Pence hang Mike Pence and looking to assassinate Nancy Pelosi and now you have the tarity to come forward and say this is about Public Safety how much safer are we
▶ 0:34:41now with these 1500 criminals at large in Washington DC and going out into the country are you vouching that these are not these people are not going to be attacking any other police officers are you vouching that they're no longer a threat to Public Safety what an outrage what a scandal well the hearing has been called not on trying to deal with the public safety crisis created by the president on day one of his presidency but on
▶ 0:35:12immigration now time and again Democrats have reached across the aisle to fix our immigration system by finding common ground through compromise we did it in 1986 with a democratic Le house and a republican Le Senate when we passed the immigration reform signed into law by President Reagan four decades ago in 2013 under President Obama Democrats worked the Senate Republicans on a sweeping Immigration Reform Bill only to have House Republicans kill it because it threatened Speaker Boehner's grip
▶ 0:35:42on power last year under President Biden Democrats worked with Republican senator Langford to produce a tough border security deal with increased border patrol with increased border technology with increased Asylum judges at the border but president Trump and House of Republicans openly and aggressively tanked the deal they sank the ship openly rejecting a bipartisan border
▶ 0:36:12agreement hiled by the most conservative Republicans in the Senate because they prefer to have a security crisis to run on than an actual border solution and yet as Democrats We Stand ready again to work with our colleagues to fix the broken immigration system today unlawful Crossings at the border are much lower than they were when President Trump left office we made progress now is the time for us to T to tackle the daunting
▶ 0:36:42task of finding compromise and pragmatic solutions to fix the system that has not been updated in decades A system that relegates millions of people to the shadows and leaves other people in limbo let's secure the Border let's make it a lot lot harder to get into America illegally and a lot easier to get into America lawfully that's what America wants to see let's not use immigration to destroy
▶ 0:37:12our constitution unbelievable that a lot of my friends on the other side of the aisle are sitting by idly while Donald Trump proposes by executive order to destroy section one of the 14th Amendment which establishes that everybody born in the United States is a citizen of the United States and yet they just let that go all of these originalists and textualists who claim to care about what the Constitution stands for that was the whole purpose and meaning
▶ 0:37:42of the 14th Amendment and now they want to destroy Birthright citizenship in America moving to a citizenship based on race instead of a citizenship based on place which was the whole purpose of the 14th Amendment to overturn The Dread Scott Decision well we're obviously going to have some differences moving forward because they don't want real solutions they just want to demagogue the immigration issue that doesn't move America forward it's just like they demagogue the issue of
▶ 0:38:13inflation they said they were going to bring down prices in rent in utilities energy costs they said they were going to bring down the price of groceries not a single peep from them about that on day one no it's just about releasing all the violent Insurrection it's the proud boys and the oathkeepers who are out there today saying that they want revenge that's the real program for America but let's hear what their specific proposals are about immigration if they make sense then we will
▶ 0:38:43get behind them but if it's just more demagogy Mr chairman I'm afraid we're going to have to let it pass thank you and I yeld back I thank the gentleman for reminding all of us why the people voted as they did on November the 5th uh the chair would now ask unanimous consent that the gentleman from Washington Mr bumgartner be permitted to sit on the dis for this hearing without objection so ordered um without objection all other opening statements will be included in the record and we'll now introduce today's Witnesses we
▶ 0:39:13have with us today no stranger to this subcommittee Mr John fabri Gator Mr fabor is a visiting fellow at the Foundation purposes of General I just wanted to confirm that the members sitting in can only ask questions if he's yielded time isn't that our rule okay that's the rule thank you very much I'm sorry to interrupt uh Mr John fabricator is a visiting fellow uh at the Heritage Foundation uh and an Advisory Board member
▶ 0:39:43with the national Immigration Center for enforcement Mr fabricator started with the immigration and naturalization service in 1998 he retired from the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement in 2022 he served in many different positions including Deputy field office director for us Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the Denver Colorado area of responsibility before being promoted to field office director in 2020 Mr Grant Newman is the director of government relations for the immigration
▶ 0:40:13accountability project a nonpartisan organization that analyzes current and proposed Federal immigration policies to educate the public and hold elected officials accountable to their oath and to defend the United States and its citizens Mr Newman has worked uh in Immigration policy since 2012 most recently at numbers USA Education and Research Foundation he received a Bachelor of Arts and political science from Christopher Newport University and his jurist Doctorate from Regent University School of Law Mr David
▶ 0:40:43Byer is the director of immigration studies at the KO Institute he has a ba in political science from Grove City College in Pennsylvania uh and then finally we have uh Miss Jessica vaugh she is the director of policy studies for the center on immigration studies her area of expertise is immigration policy and operations covering topics such as unaccompanied Alien Children Visa programs immigration benefits and immigration enforcement Miss vaugh has a master's degree from Georgetown University and a bachelor's degree
▶ 0:41:14from Washington College uh in Maryland uh I want to welcome our Witnesses thank them for appearing today we'll Begin by swearing you in would you please rise and raise your right hand do you do you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you're about to give is true and correct to the best of your knowledge information and belief so help you God let the record reflect the witnesses have answered in the affirmative you may be seated please know your written testimony will be entered
▶ 0:41:44into the record in its entirety accordingly we ask that you summarize your testimony in five minutes uh and we will begin with Mr fabricator micophone oh could turn on your microphone good morning chairman mlto and congresswoman lofan and distinguished members of the subcommittee thank you for the privilege of appearing before you today to discuss the urgent need to address dangerous Sanctuary jurisdictions improve interior immigration enforcement
▶ 0:42:15and recommit to policies that protect American citizens over the past four years the erosion of immigration enforcement has had devastating consequences for our communities Sanctuary policies the abuse of prosecutorial discretion and overwhelmed court dockets have created a system that Shields criminal aliens and jeopardizes Public Safety I want to emphasize one key point today weak border and immigration enforcement policies have allowed unvetted and dangerous criminal illegal aliens to enter and Thrive
▶ 0:42:45within our borders leaving Americans at risk such as the case involving a Venezuelan Criminal Alien who crossed illegally in El Paso Texas and was released into the US in he was charged with raping a 14-year-old girl while he was living in his employer's basement in Colorado he had been arrested previously for possessing tools for forgery and counterfeiting and Larsen but was released without notifying ice Sanctuary jurisdictions claim to protect immigrant communities but they do the opposite they shelter
▶ 0:43:15criminal aliens accommodating and increasing crimes like drug trafficking violent assaults and human trafficking one Stark example is The trende aragua Gang This violent group in infiltrated Colorado where their crimes range from jewelry store robberies to deadly shootings I witnessed the aftermath firstand in Aurora Colorado where gang members terrorized an apartment complex residents lived in fear as armed criminals roam freely culminating in horrific violence
▶ 0:43:46and murder despite law enforcement efforts these issues persist because Sanctuary policies actively hinder the sharing of information and cooperation with ice sanctuary of officials ignore ice detainers release violent offenders back into communities and undermine the public trust in the justice system a mother and her teenage son were killed by an illegal alien and repeat DUI offender in Colorado last December they are just one of the many tragic consequences
▶ 0:44:16of this leniency ice data underscores the crisis nearly 7.8 million illegal aliens are on the non-detained docket freely roaming American Comm communities including 1.4 million with final orders of removal and even 13,000 individuals convicted of murder not only that the the dismissal of 700,000 immigration cases and administrative failures in another 200,000 cases are examples of the prior
▶ 0:44:46administration's opposition to enforcing immigration laws the spread of criminal networks is also alarming cartels like caloa and halisco exploit sanctuary policies to flood our communities with fentanyl and other lethal drugs last year alone law enforcement seized more than 115 million fentanyl pills yet availability remains unchanged showing that these cartels continue to operate with impunity we must return to enforcing immigration laws passed by Congress
▶ 0:45:17this includes one holding criminals accountable by reinstating ice detainers and ensuring dangerous individuals are detained and deported two safe Safeguard American families by dismantling the gangs and cartels that threaten our neighborhoods three strengthen the rule of law by fostering cooperation between ice and local law enforcement unfortunately the Biden administration's policies eroded the effectiveness of interior enforcement this leniency sent a dangerous message encouraging illegal Crossings
▶ 0:45:47while undermining the tools ice needs to apprehend and remove criminal aliens the results are evident in the tragic rise of fentanyl deaths human trafficking and vient crime linked to foreign Barn cartels and gangs reversing these policies is not just an opt option it's a necessity we must Empower ice restore cooperation with state and local enforcement and invest in the resources that prior prioritize US citizens safety and well-being members of Congress our community safety and our nation's stability depend on
▶ 0:46:17decisive action your top priority right now should be delivering the resources needed to assist the Trump Administration in arresting detaining and removing illegal aliens I urge you to preempt Sanctuary policies and reinstate effective interior enforcement tools so that we can turn this Vision into reality thank you for your time and I uh I welcome any questions you have thank you for your testimony the uh chair is now pleased to recognize uh
▶ 0:46:47Mr Grant Newman for five minutes chairman ment talk ranking member jaia paal and members of the subcommittee I'm sorry congresswoman laughren uh thank you for holding this important hearing at a pivotal moment for immigration enforcement through action and inaction the Biden Administration invited the Border crisis of the past four years and the world was listening during the first four years of the Trump Administration CBP encountered just over 3 million inadmissible aliens Nationwide by comparison of the bid Administration CBP encountered nearly 11 million
▶ 0:47:17inadmissible aliens in addition to implementing Mass catch and release of illegal aliens with notices to appear in report the Biden Administration illegally initiated the system atic processing of inadmissible aliens into the United States under the guise of humanitarian parole and issued them all open market employment authorization under the CH andv program more than 531 th000 otherwise inadmissible aliens from Cuba Haiti Nicaragua and Venezuela receive permission to fly over the border to American airports and disappear into the country's interior
▶ 0:47:48and from border enforcement statistics it was ended Monday under the cbp1 app the administration encouraged illegal aliens to schedule their legal entry at ports over two years more than 936 th000 aliens did just that it was also ended Monday despite the law only allowing parole on a case-by casee basis for Urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit the Biden Administration granted categorical parole and work authorization to more than 1.46 million inadmissible aliens in those two parole
▶ 0:48:18programs alone restoring Integrity to our immigration system needs to begin with ending the rampant abuse of immigration law clearly parole abuse is one of the most egregious humanitarian parole cannot continue to be used by administrations to get around statutory limits all the while they claim to have made illegal immigration safe and lawful similarly endless renewals and red designations of temporary protected status have resulted in an eligible population that could exceed 1.2 million with the Biden Administration making more than 338,000 eligible in the
▶ 0:48:48last nine months alone not only can illegal aliens receive TPS and work authorization we have countries that have been continuously designated since the 90s because of a hurricane despite our government claiming it's not safe to return Nationals to TPS countries we continue to Grant non-immigrant visas with an obligation to return to Nationals from every single one of them that defies logic TPS abuse must end on the border of the ROM remain and Mexico program significantly reduced illegal entries even though less than 68,000 aliens
▶ 0:49:19were sent back to Mexico over the two years it was fully implemented president Trump was has rightfully ordered its reinstatement the the truth is that vast majority of illegal aliens are coming here for economic opportunities if people understand they won't get in they won't come if their friends family members Nos and cartels can credibly promise an easy path to be released into the United States they will come and they have perception of the enforcement of immigration law matters enormously and the statistics show that
▶ 0:49:49for those on the interior the credible threat of removal has the same effect if those if they believe that United States will no longer turn a blind eye to Il immigration illegal aliens will decide to return home in addition to the reinstatement of remain in Mexico the end of parole and TPS abuse and mass deportations expanding expedited removal regulations to address Asylum fraud Visa sanctions for countries that won't take back their Nationals work s side enforcement safe Third Country agreements the broad restrictions found in the Ina can all be combined to restore
▶ 0:50:19Integrity to the immigration system however the American people can't continue to endure the Whiplash every four years from admin administrations dramatically changing immigration enforcement and endless lawsuits Congress has plenary power over immigration and an obligation to fix it the L Lake and Riley Act is a helpful step they give State Attorneys General the better tools to respond to Lawless administrations reforming and restricting parole Asylum and the handling of unaccompanied children is essential when someone arrives at the border
▶ 0:50:49illegally the executive branch should be limited to three options detain return or remove mandatory e verify for all employers can eliminate the job magnet for illegal immigrants these Solutions were passed by Congress last year in hr2 to secure the Border Act Congress needs to finish the job additionally TPS should be reformed statutorily to prevent further abuse and extensions finally Congress needs to provide sufficient resources including icro officers and detention beds to
▶ 0:51:19carry out interior enforcement thank you and I look forward to your questions thank you we'll next hear from Mr David beer chairman mcclint talk ranking member lren and distinguished members of the subcommittee thank you for the opportunity to testify for nearly half a century the KO Institute has produced original research showing that a Freer more orderly and more lawful immigration system benefits Americans unfortunately from January
▶ 0:51:502017 to January 2021 the US immigration system underwent an assault unlik like any in modern history president Trump abused his authority to cut legal immigration from abroad by nearly 80% refugees by 92% he shut down Asylum even for legal crossers he stopped enforcing the law
▶ 0:52:21he removed requirements to Target Public Safety threats in the interior as a result he released twice as many convicted criminals as President Biden he forced us attorneys to prioritize misdemeanor family separation prosecutions of parents over sex offenders by the time President Biden took office the US immigration system was in shambles
▶ 0:52:52immigration courts consulates ports of Entry all sh uttered even detention centers were at half capacity many border patrol agents were assigned away from the border human trafficking investigators were working on low-level Visa overstay cases in December 2020 border patrol arrests were at the highest level for any December back to 1999 evasions
▶ 0:53:22of border patrol were 75% higher than when president Trump entered office Border Patrol was told not to impose consequences on crossers Beyond expelling them to Mexico under title 42 of the health code a decade of progress on deterring criminals from Crossing reversed encounters with convicted criminals tripled under the Trump Administration president Trump cut legal
▶ 0:53:53immigration he increased illegal immigration especially especially by criminals after this 4-year sabotage President Biden had to rebuild the immigration system from scratch I criticize Biden's effort but the fact is that it was always going to take time to undo this absolute disaster with no help from Congress and active obstruction by the states he reprioritize Public Safety threats in
▶ 0:54:23the interior and cut releases of convicted criminals from detention in half he refocused on border border security doubling detention removing three times as many border crossers as president Trump but it was fixing legal immigration that contributed to ending the crisis Biden restored visa and Refugee processing to above 2016 levels Biden Biden also deregulated the parole process to open this
▶ 0:54:53lawful Pathway to allow Asylum Seekers to enter in a lawful and orderly way Biden's approach was working yes overall Crossings increased during the economic recovery but border patrol encounters were down 33% in Biden's final months compared to Trump's final months criminal Crossings had fallen 57% evasions of border patrol were down 42% falling immediately after President Biden reversed Trump's
▶ 0:55:23expulsion to Mexico policy for the first time ever most immigrants coming to the US border were applying to enter legally through a regulated and screened lawful pathway but the new Administration is already undoing all the progress the slew of new executive orders mandate violations of the US Constitution Target peaceful people over violent felons and by limiting legal immigration encourage illegal immigration
▶ 0:55:54the president has ordered violations of the Constitution's 14th Amendment denying the legitimacy of millions of Americans their citizenship and threatening to deport babies born in America he is threatening to use the military to arrest detain and remove people without proving to courts they are removable his orders explicitly declare that he is above us law and he asserts he can ignore any immigration law that you members of Congress write
▶ 0:56:25the president may have Jed he wanted to be a dictator for a day but he is not one you Congress should defend your powers and the US Constitution and our rights before they're gone America's immigrants are with you they come because America is the land of the free let's keep it that way thank you thank you we'll finally hear from Miss Jessica vaugh thank you I appreciate the chance to focus today on the most important things that
▶ 0:56:55Congress should do to restore immigration enforcement and integrity in our immigration laws the areas of the law that need to be updated the Border Security Act of 2023 or hr2 was a great start but more is needed to close loopholes and abuses and to fix the things in the law that just do not work and to address New Challenges I particularly want to focus on problems in certain visa and benefit programs one problem is fraud
▶ 0:57:25fraud is often overlooked in discussions of immigration enforcement but it really is another form of illegal immigration past reports have identified double- digigit fraud in certain benefit programs um but but most have never been studied or assessed for the prevalence of fraud Congress needs to demand some investigation into these programs Audits and and benefit fraud assessments to find out just how prevalent it is
▶ 0:57:57an even bigger problem is that over time our immigration law has become a massive disorganized menu of entry and work permit programs some created by Congress some not that operates almost on autopilot and in the hands of an Administration like the previous one that wanted no limits on immigration any Integrity guard rails were dismantled and these programs have now ballooned in in some
▶ 0:58:27cases the rules themselves do not allow for Meaningful controls some of these programs simply need to be shut down before I talk about that um I I just want to endorse the comments made by um my fellow panelists on the need to address sanctuaries which are a major public safety threat and uh undermine the Integrity of immigration laws but I also want to mention that it's important to allow for a role for state and local officials
▶ 0:58:57in uh restoring Integrity of our immigration programs and in enforcement um uh in some of the programs that I'm going to talk about the states are really a gatekeeper to some of these programs and so they have a stake in how they are run and enforcement is not just a matter of imposing consequences on those who break the law we need to be more prudent in administering visa and green card programs to reduce opportunities for abuse
▶ 0:59:28either by unqualified applicants or by an Administration that opposes limits on immigration visa overstaying is a chronic problem More Than 565,000 People overstayed their Visa or VISA waiver in 2023 and the state department has done nothing but let this Pro problem get worse in the last few years um besides lenient entry programs our immigration system offers too many opportunities for people to prolong their stay and obtain work permits whether through
▶ 0:59:58long-term pretend temporary status or in programs that are a bridged to Green cards and citizenship and I'm referring to programs like TPS opt special immigrant juvenile program and the UNT Visa programs for Crime Victims all of these are Loosely regulated and attract large numbers of fraudulent and frivolous applications all of them have ballooned in size to Historic numbers of applicants in the last four years collectively these number at least
▶ 1:00:28a million and a half and maybe as many as two million people and that exceeds the size of all the other guest worker combined for example the opt programs were never authorized by Congress but allow hundreds of thousands of foreign students and foreign grads of US schools or fake schools to get a work permit the un& visas for Crime Victims have have proven most to be mostly ineffective in helping prosecute crimes and need to be replaced with a a more tightly
▶ 1:00:58managed deferred action program that suits the needs of law enforcement agencies uh similarly the special immigrant juvenile program which was sold as a humanitarian benefit for trafficked kids in needs of protection has become an amnesty program for young adults whose claims of Abandonment or abuse are often not subject to thorough examination the availability of this benefit which has few controls or standards creates demand that gets larger and larger every
▶ 1:01:29year these are just a few examples of things that can be fixed by Congress and that I hope you will take up in this session thank you want to thank you all for your testimony we'll now proceed to questions under the five minute Rule and we'll begin with Mr Bigs of Arizona thank you Mr chairman it is ludicrous for the ranking member of the subcommittee to make the argument that millions of illegal aliens who crossed into the country during the Biden
▶ 1:01:59Administration invaded the country because the immigration system is quote broken close quote the fact is these individuals came because of Biden's open border policies no offence no detention no removal and frankly no enforcement that's what happened it is Rich to decry the pardons of President Trump yet failed to even insult discuss address places like San Diego
▶ 1:02:30which have just become a super Sanctuary City or the California State uh itself its with its Sanctuary policies I submit for the record story about a sanctuary City dweller suffering sexual battery stranger rapes murders at the hands of illegal aliens in California without objection it is it is almost most silly to say that the Senate plan
▶ 1:03:00which would have allowed 7500 people a day into the country before the president had to take any executive action at all would have been a Panacea to Biden's policies and it is unique and perhaps we're fortunate that a an individual as the ranking member of the entire Community is able to cont uh condemn pardons presidential pardons as the only person that I know of
▶ 1:03:30on this dis who's actually received a presidential pardon for his actions the young uh Wong Kim art case which basically addressed um Birthright citizenship was given because somebody was a permanent legal resident not illegal aliens who have a child in this country when this gets to the Supreme Court they're going to rule that way and I'll be right unlike Mr berer
▶ 1:04:01who made his prediction on President Trump's policies when the Supreme C Court upheld policies to say that the country's border was in a shambles when President Trump was there is ludicrous apparently not looking at any of the numbers such as in Yuma in Yuma the entire last year the numbers were about 8,600 I believe it was that was the total encounters
▶ 1:04:32when it was not unusual under the Biden Administration to have 8,600 Encounters in a weekend ludicrous argument specious the numbers came down why did they come down because you didn't count people who were applying under cbp1 app you didn't count people who were getting CH EnV program so if you're not counting everybody well of course the numbers come down and that's where we sit here
▶ 1:05:02today the law is this Mr fabricator an asylum requestor is required to remain in custody until that Asylum request is adjudicate is that not true absolutely sir that's the way it should be well not just what it should be that's the LA the law is written yes sir no Administration has been successful at doing that because there's a massive number of Asylum requests correct but under this Administration how many Asylum requesters have been released into the
▶ 1:05:32country too many sir they're they're just released into the country and not put into detention as they should be if they were actually detained by the way the law requires and which president Trump says he wants to do he wants to enforce the law what does that do to incentives to come into this country illegally it magnetizes it it it it just forces people to come in because they know they're not going to go into detention they know they're going to get released into the interior of the US if you're not detaining him that's the that's the magnet but if you do detain him becomes a deterrent
▶ 1:06:02it becomes a deterrent if we if we put detention back into action and we say we're going to detain you when you are asking that's going to be a deterrent if you remove people like you have 1.4 million who have active remove who are actively in the country with removal orders that doesn't count all the 500,000 plus criminal uh individuals that's that is just the 1.4 who've add due process yes if you begin removing people what does that do as a deterrent or magnet again it deters people from from
▶ 1:06:32coming and this the biggest problem with this is they broke into the country they entered illegally they had an opportunity to see an immigration judge that immigration judge ordered them deported and they still did not leave the United States so compounding just breaking our laws even even doubly so by not even listening to what the immigration judge had to say Thank you Mr chairman my time has expired but may I put some articles in uh under unanimous consent yes thank you on article what Democrats must learn from Biden's disastrous immigration record
▶ 1:07:03dims finally admit Biden botch border after 2024 election loss we ourselves uh this one without Title by CNN politics and then this one which I marked all over the back of I apologize for that quantifying why Democrats support open borders and I will submit additional uh uc's without reading them regarding Sanctuary cities and the release of violent criminals into the community I have probably 50 or more articles I will submit for the record sir without objection gentleman's
▶ 1:07:33time has expired chair recognizes Miss Lofgren for five minutes thank you Mr chairman you know um I think all of us uh acknowledge that the Asylum system broke down uh the system was overwhelmed and I think it's worth noting that a majority of those who sought Asylum uh in Immigration Court lost their Asylum case so clearly people who are not eligible for Asylum were admitted the United
▶ 1:08:03States now why is that a problem in the law section uh 208 of uh a says this this is a law that Congress wrote any alien who's physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States whether or not at a designated Port of arrival and including in an alien who's brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or us Waters irrespective of such alien status
▶ 1:08:34May apply for Asylum that's what the the law that we wrote and people responded to it and in such numbers uh that uh the system broke down we have never provided enough money to detain everybody who's seeking for Asylum we we not during the first Trump Administration not during Biden and not now and so I think um we need to address this issue as in addition
▶ 1:09:04to other elements of immigration law that are not functioning properly uh Mr Beer two 208 A1 provides this really expansive opportunity for people to come and apply it broke down now Trump has tried to use 212f of the ACT based basically to override the law my recollection is that when he tried that before he lost in court can you Enlighten us on that
▶ 1:09:35yeah that's right uh 212f is about limiting the entry of people uh 208a is about Asylum it's about applying for a benefit in the United States uh for people who were already present in the country so it's not 20 212f does not override the Asylum law that you all wrote explicitly allowing people to enter regardless of of how they how they entered the country and so the the law is such that if if
▶ 1:10:05you come in between the ports of Entry say surreptitiously you're president in the US 208a allows you to apply correct that's right it doesn't matter the manner or the status that you have you can apply for Asylum for one I think Congress ought to re revisit that and I think it's very clear the system has not worked worked and that we ought to have a different uh you know Asylum is important there are some people who are seeking Refuge this Asylum was adopted by all
▶ 1:10:35civilized countries after World War II and there is an Infamous case of Jews escaping uh Germany who were refused entry to the United States and by Canada they were sent back to Germany and most of them were killed in concentration camps and most civilized countries adopted Asylum rules subsequent to that war that's important but it's important also that it's for ases not people who are seeking you know Economic
▶ 1:11:06Opportunity I I don't dislike or hate someone seeking economic opportunities but they're not Ayes so we need Congress itself needs to address this issue put some order so that we can have order at the border and then if we have a need for people uh who are meeting economic needs in this country there needs to be a more orderly way to deal with that as well let me just quickly ask you if you can there was an assertion that
▶ 1:11:36uh the 14th Amendment doesn't mean what it says can you address the 14th Amendment question for us Mr Beer yeah so the 14th Amendment says anyone born and subject to the born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is a US citizen and the subject to you know what they the executive order says is that all of these people who are children of guest workers or children of people without legal permanent residence status or citizenship are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States
▶ 1:12:06which is flatly absurd that would mean they weren't here illegally that would mean they're not subject to US law like a diplomat who has diplomatic immunity obviously they didn't think through the implications of making that kind of Declaration it's totally out of line with everything uh all other constitutional interpretation uh thank you Mr Beer and I my time is just about expired so I'll yield back Mr chairman uh Mr Tiffany thank you Mr chairman uh Mr Beer what year was the 14th Amendment
▶ 1:12:37ratified in the 1860s 1868 would doesn't that sound correct and that was after which war the Civil War which was done to end slavery would preserve the union and end slavery right correct yeah um did the uh American Immigration system become better under the Biden Administration it improved yes the immigration system in America became better during the Biden years
▶ 1:13:07correct Miss vaugh is a secretary of state required to Halt visas for recant countries they're not required to um they have the authority to do that if uh they get a request from the Department of home land security um to do so because a country will not take their citizens back or doesn't cooperate in getting travel documents to return them after deportation are there countries like that that are recalcitrant
▶ 1:13:37yes there are um quite a few name name a couple of the worst offenders um Cuba Venezuela China uh India and Bangladesh don't always cooperate um Iran has the state department um over the last few years done their job to stop those recentring countries from dumping um criminals into our country and then not taking them back no the state department uh historically has been very reluctant to use
▶ 1:14:08Visa sanctions um to impose consequences on countries that are not fulfilling their International obligation to take their citizens back so should we be going to the administration and secretary Rubio and insisting that they do that or should we make a law change well I I think it would help to make a law change to say that the secretary must act in in certain situations as defined by Congress to address re recalcitrant countries and give even more tools besides
▶ 1:14:38Visa sanctions like potentially withholding foreign assistance or other diplomatic tools to require the secretary to do so I mean I it may be that secretary Rubio would want to do that but there are not always going to be administ ministrations that want to in to U push this issue so if Congress changes the law then they will have that obligation you would suggest we should make it a requirement yes uh Mr Newman in regards to categorical prog
▶ 1:15:09uh parole uh the Marana Islands the cnmi they have a program like that where there's no Visa needed for people to be able to come in um isn't that a version of Birthright citizenship yeah as I understand it's a become a major issue birth tourism in in CN Mi of people just basically coming in to get US citizenship so you have Chinese Nationals coming in to this territory and they're able to um have a child there and the child becomes a citizen yeah it's absurd it shouldn't exist
▶ 1:15:39in a in a modern civilization doesn't that seem like that could be a national security threat with all we know about communist China absolutely I'm Mr chairman I ask unanimous consent to enter into the record article from The Wall Street Journal December 22nd 2017 in regards to this issue without objection Mr fabri ctor um hope I got your name right there can I just some people just call you Fab don't yes sir
▶ 1:16:10um we know all about the NOS including like the International Organization for migration which I saw when I was down to Panama four years ago and saw them processing people in uh don't they get significant amounts of money from the taxpayers of the United States they absolutely do sir they got a huge amount of money do do you have any idea isn't it that tens of millions it's tens of millions yeah higher than tens of millions and they've been a vital link haven't they in this whole process of illegal immigration
▶ 1:16:40into America I mean we talk about the cartels and the horrible things that they do but don't those NOS also serve as a haven't they served as a vital link over the last four years of being able to bring people illegally into America yes sir they have they have aided in helping illegal immigration enter into the United States should we pull the money back from those organizations um that have assisted in illegal immigration yes we should pull it back and use that money to help us with our our deportation
▶ 1:17:10process if we're not able to pull that money back should we reverse have them re help us reverse the flow and perhaps turn them into repatriation centers that sounds like it would be the right thing to do sir uh Mr chairman uh the America the era of America last is over as you said in your opening remarks and it's time to enforce the laws here in the United States of America I yield back you'll get no argument from me on that point Mr Tiffany a chair now recognize Mr Rin
▶ 1:17:41for five minutes thank you kindly Mr chairman Mr Beer just to be clear you're with the KO Institute which my Republican colleagues generally love and are always quoting you and talking about you whenever we're talking about budget or F Affairs or so on they don't like what you're saying about immigration today and they certainly don't like your message although I think they were completely styed and flabbergasted when you said that things had improved marginally under President Biden but had gone Way South
▶ 1:18:11under Donald Trump explain why immigration policy was such a nightmare in the first Trump Administration well we basically didn't have an immigration system by the end of the Trump Administration I mean he basically banned and all immigration from abroad legal immigration from abroad refugees down 92% immigrant visas down 78% non-immigrant visas down 80% we basically didn't have an immigration system available to people at the end of the Trump Administration and if you look at what happened
▶ 1:18:42with convicted criminals crossing the border the lack of focus on prioritization of convicted criminals in the interior yes the the the immigration system under the Trump administration led to a disaster and ultimately it took four years but the Biden Administration improved things significantly from the end of the Trump Administration so the new Trump Administration inherits a situation that's better in terms of unlawful Crossings what is going to be the effect of all of these executive orders at this point it
▶ 1:19:12seems almost like they're calculated to produce more chaos absolutely he's trying to get rid of the legal channels by which people come into the country he got rid of the refugee program day one he got rid of the parole process CES that allow people to enter legally on day one he said we're not going to do any kind of Asylum even for people who are entering the country legally if you do that what's the alternative it's illegal immigration and and really as long as we have illegal immigration it's going to be a a major uh touch Point politically
▶ 1:19:42all right so let's say that he actually uh turns the whole country into chaos by trying to deport 12 million people as he's promised what would the economic effect of that be and ask because I get uh business people coming to my office all the time from the hotel sector from the construction sector from Seafood from agriculture saying there aren't enough people to do the work now what would happen if we deported 12 million people right uh look it would be a blow to the economy similar
▶ 1:20:12to The Great Recession in size a$2 trillion dollar blow to the GDP on an annual basis um you're talking about a massive blow to the budget the Congressional budget office estimates that deficits will be lower by a trillion dollars as a result of the the immigrant workers that are working in the United States in these industries and look many American workers depend on the workers that we're talking about in construction you have 2 million Americans who are working in specialized positions and as managers and
▶ 1:20:42supervisors of illegal immigrant workers who are doing the tough uh manual labor jobs at the low end so there's a complimentarity between the US Workforce and the Immigrant Workforce well most violent criminals are not undocumented immigrants most undocumented immigrants are not violent criminals what would it do to our efforts to actually fight real violent crime and gun-based crime in America the AR 15s the illegal trafficking guns
▶ 1:21:13if we diverted federal state and local law enforcement just to deporting people who've not committed any crimes at all look we already don't solve 50% of murders in the United States 75% of sexual assaults go unsolved if you look at property crime it's almost like we're not trying we need to focus on serious uh crimes in in in this country we have a crime problem I completely agree with that but diverting state and local police in particular away from from
▶ 1:21:43getting Justice for victims is a terrible idea for the country will not produce safety yeah and do you think it's a step on behalf of Law and Order to release old Mass violent criminals who attacked the US government to interrupt The Joint session of Congress and the peaceful transfer of power in America I think people who commit violent crime should have to serve their sentences and uh be punished accordingly and that was actually the position I think taken by our distinguished colleague Mr
▶ 1:22:13Jordan from Ohio who repeatedly distinguished between violent and nonviolent offenders I'd like to ask unanimous consent to enter in the record a CNN article in which chairman Jordan was quoted as being hesitant about the sweeping pardons um and saying that they basically should be focused on people who had committ committed nonviolent rather than violent offenses without objection um finally what should we be doing now to fix the immigration system anyone could design a better legal immigration system
▶ 1:22:43than the one that we actually have we need Congress to sit down and do their job and say look if we want people who come who can support themselves who can contribute to this country there's a way to do it it's not rocket science you can write a law that says you have to come and be able to support yourself and and contribute to the economy we have bills that have done this in the past we just need to pick them up and start that work again thank you back uh chairman Jordan Mr Newman did the Biden Administration
▶ 1:23:14improve the immigration system and border security I think the stats show no I mean we've got an non that whole conversation just took place sound like a bunch of nonsense to me yeah same certainly 77 million Americans don't believe what they just heard from from Mr Rasin and and and the Democrat witness Miss Miss V did the Biden Administration improve the immigration system and border security no the Biden Administration dismantled uh the the controls guard rails limits um and turned programs uh into purposes for
▶ 1:23:44which they were never Community On the Border knows they did it yeah we just had a five-minute conversation oh well things are just wonderful Joe Biden was the greatest Mr fabricator you've been out on the front line you've dealt with this did the Biden Administration improve the immigration system and border security no we have we have more illegal alien criminals on the street today because of the Biden Administration yeah they're they're trying to say don't believe your lion eyes of course we know it's gotten worse earlier Mr uh Mr Newman you said I think you said the Biden Administration invited the
▶ 1:24:14crisis I think you're being nice when you use the word invited I think they intentionally deliberately what my opening statement willfully created the crisis and I want to know why would they do that why would an Administration deliberately create the chaos we have seen upwards of 10 million people coming in the country the these border it's interesting these border communities that's been the biggest change in voting Democrat to voting Republican is taken place in those communities because they have felt it firsthand
▶ 1:24:44we were in y Mr Bigs brought this up we were in y Arizona the cost to the education system the healthare system the Public Services in those communities unbelievable so why would they intentionally why would they do this that's what I've been trying to figure out why would an Administration say we're going to deliberately create the chaos that 77 million Americans I think all Americans know has taken place over the last four years I I can't pretend to know the motive of the administration but what I'm I'm asking you to Hazard a guess as an expert in this area looking looking at what they've done
▶ 1:25:14and looking at the policies what's very clear is that there's been an intentional desire to get as many people into the country as possible and keep them here Mr vaugh take can you take a run at that question why would they do it I think I think all kinds of Americans asked that question why would why would our government do this to our nation because they uh don't want any limits on immigration and because no one could stop them Mr fabricator there was a definite open border agenda at the last
▶ 1:25:44four years and and that is exactly the way that I see it you think there's again Hazard to guess at the motivation what do you think the motivation is you know is is it's it's hard to guess at allowing so many illegal aliens to enter into the United States it's something that when you actually look at it and you look at the numbers it's it's unfathomable to even think that that many people were allowed the the Goda ways the two million Goda alwayss that were allowed in this country that we have no idea who they are it's it's it's to me I I
▶ 1:26:14have no idea why they would allow that to happen I don't get it either particularly when you think about what happens to kids on this journey when they come to the country what happen happens to women the terrible things that take I don't I don't get it and for them to try to say it was wonderful and it was an improvement I don't get that either because nobody nobody believes that I think earlier the the the ranking member said as the Asylum system was overwhelmed during the Biden Administration why was it overwhelmed
▶ 1:26:45because they just opened everything up no wall no way uh remain in Mexico and when you get here as you pointed out in your testimony Mr fabricator you won't be main you'll be released now what do we have to do to fix it Mr fabricator a guy who's on the front lines what do we have to do to fix it number one we need to make sure that we're giving the money to especially enforcement removal operations to go out and detain arrest detain and remove illegal aliens that that's that's the bottom line of what we have to do we we have to
▶ 1:27:15say this is a situation that we have we need to put money toward this so that we can be effective once you start repatriating once you start removing uh individuals who came here illegally that's going to send a message that's going to create an incentive in in a in a I think in the right way cuz right now all the incentives are the wrong way yes no wall no wait and you won't be detained everyone comes so you got to you got to change those incentives that will that will start to do that it absolutely will letting the men and women know of of uh of of ice of erro that they have your backing
▶ 1:27:45and they can go out on the street and actually enforce the immigration law that's that that's all that they're asking to do that's what president Trump wants to do he wants to make sure that we go out and the immigration law is actually enforced 15 seconds Mr Newman I'll give you the last 15 yeah it's it's that it's it's you have to fund you have to fund the resources for ice to get the job done you have to show to people in this country illegally that you could be caught and you could be sent home well this committee is committed to helping the administration have the resources to
▶ 1:28:15enforce the law and fix the problem I yield back to the chairman Miss count thank you Mr chairman you know just because someone repeats fiction over and over and over again doesn't make it true we all want an immigration system that works a border that is is secure and a country that's safe but our immigration laws are broken and
▶ 1:28:46vastly outdated and underfunded for the world that we live in today and that's an issue that Congress needs to solve comprehensively and responsibly but after taking the oath of office this week the new president signed more than 200 divisive and politically motivated executive actions that don't further that process of reforming and fixing our border or our immigration system included among those orders were several that seemed destined
▶ 1:29:16to create more chaos in our immigration system and at our Southern border not less because these orders aren't Sol Solutions but political posturing what do they do they eliminate Pathways that had been successfully lowering border crossings they reinstate failed programs of the past they make it harder to prioritize serious National Security threats for enforcement they have blocked the resettlement of Afghan allies who have been
▶ 1:29:46thoroughly vetted and have been waiting years for entry into this country and there's an attempt overturn the constitutional right to Birthright citizenship which everyone from the ACLU to the Catholic church has condemned as being both unconstitutional and inhumane for making those children stateless these actions do not make our country safer but the new president and his allies are so deep in the
▶ 1:30:16fiction that they have created with their own cynical narrative one that's designed to sew chaos and anger that they can't acknowledge reality much less solve problems so it's not surprising because these are the same people who blocked the bipartisan border security bill that was negotiated last year so these orders this is not new Behavior we saw it all before during the first Trump Administration when failed and inhumane immigration policies weakened our
▶ 1:30:46economy undermined our moral standing in the world and inflicted cruelty upon Children and Families we can never forget that the trump in administration's practice of family separation led by his current borders are was condemned as purposeful government torture under the Geneva Convention and other international human rights stand standards by organizations including the American Academy of Pediatrics the American College of Physicians Amnesty
▶ 1:31:16International and faith-based leaders across the country and across the political spectrum and of course none of these fixed the issues at our border or made us more secure now Mr Beer in your statement you point out that in his first Administration the policies imposed by President Trump and his allies actually obliterated the that's your term the immigration system and shredded enforcement um will the executive orders that we're seeing now or
▶ 1:31:46the proposed policies have a different impact just because it's a few years later no it's going to make the problem worse because right now we have majority as I said a majority of the people who are coming to the border right now are applying to enter legally through a regulated screened lawful pathway so getting rid of that is actually going to make the problem significantly worse we didn't have these lawful Pathways when he entered the last time so getting rid of these uh all of these legal channels getting rid of the refugee
▶ 1:32:17program all of these is designed to increase illegal immigration incentiv say it's sending a message around the world that the way to come to the United States is to come illegally if you shut down the legal channels and then of course that creates chaos and scenes at the border that allow someone to run again and again and again on the idea that they alone can fix it right and if you look at what happened you see the Haitians and the Cubans are a perfect example of this they for decades
▶ 1:32:47had entered legally Almost 100% cross the the Southwest border legally to apply for Asylum the Trump Administration came along they shut down the process to process people at ports of entry and then they crossed illegally and we created a problem where there was no problem the Biden Administration came in they corrected that mistake and now almost 100% of those groups are entering legally or at least they were until the Trump Administration took over on January 20th I I just wanted
▶ 1:33:17to turn to one of the current paths and we're hearing a lot about oh you have to follow the rules you have to follow the Le legal path uh one of the executive orders or actions that occurred this week was to eliminate the app that was allowing immigrants to make an appointment to file a legal claim um so now we have people who've been waiting in Mexico for months to get their appointment and suddenly that was wiped out the general lady's time has expired um we'll take that as a statement
▶ 1:33:48uh Mr Roy thank the chairman thank you for holding this hearing thanks for the witnesses for being here uh Mr Beer a quick question um have you uh visited with or met Alexis NRE not to my knowledge you haven't sat down and talked with Alexis ner Alexis ner was my guest at the inauguration festivities she was my guest uh to one of the balls since she wasn't able to attend the inauguration since it was inside Alexis's daughter Joselyn was murdered last July her 13-year-old
▶ 1:34:18beautiful little girl was murdered by individuals associated with TDS dangerous gang in Venezuela who were released by this Administration this administr I should say the previous administration the Biden Administration the one we're referring to the Biden Administration released these individuals onto the streets of Texas and now Alexis's daughter is no longer with us Alexis chose life when she was a 14-year-old little girl
▶ 1:34:48Alexis is only 28 herself now I was proud to have her with me this weekend she is a testament to the greatness of this country her parents her family migrants themselves they followed the law they did it the right way because it has been possible for years to do it the right way Miss vau is it not correct that we have upwards of three million people that are put into the United States every year through visas and other programs student visas um access to being becoming an LPR Etc
▶ 1:35:19uh well there are more than 10 million people who come in on non-immigrant visas and even more than that come in under the Visa waiver program and um yeah it's it's a huge entry there is an enormous opportunity to come here legally right now correct through student visas and our normal programs of immigration more than a more than a million immigrant visas probably uh close to a million people who get temporary visas for various purposes as well we have one of the most generous immigration systems in the
▶ 1:35:49country 1 million green cards a million guest worker visas a million student visas does that sound correct to you well the I count the student visas under the million so my point being we are the most generous country in the world by an order of magnitude and yet this Administration has been violently dis disregarding our laws to dump people into the United States through the abuse of the parole system and putting people on our streets that have led directly to the murder of citizens and my colleagues
▶ 1:36:19on the other side of the diets here one wonder why what happened in happened hr2 Mr Newman do you agree that hr2 has significant reforms in it that we should adopt this Congress the hr2 that was passed in the previous Congress in the spring of 2023 absolutely that bill set out to reform Asylum laws set out to reform parole laws set out to end the abuse of
▶ 1:36:49Catch and Release through uh the Flores settlement and then TVP with unaccompanied alien children did we fix a lot of those broken problems in hr2 yes would that bill have demonstrably changed the ability for a Biden Administration to abuse our laws to allow them to be open and endanger the American people yes do you believe that this Congress should take up hr2 in its current form and the form that was passed in the last Congress close you know give or take take that bill up and pass it in this Congress yes do you believe
▶ 1:37:19that the so-called bipartisan legislation that was uh tried to uh move in the last Congress in the Senate but never passed the Senate never passed out and moved in any serious fashion do you believe that bill uh should be brought up in this Congress no not at all do you agree with me that that Bill had enormous flaws in it yes that it would have codified a lot of the releases and the broken systems under the Biden Administration they would have failed to reform Asylum yes they would have failed to reform parole yes that it would have
▶ 1:37:49given more money to NOS to violate our laws and ignore our borders yes in other words that bill is a joke a laughing stock do you agree absolutely um with respect to uh TDA Mr fabricator uh a congressman from the jurisdiction that I believe you ran in in Aurora Colorado tried to dismiss what was happening in apartment complexes true or false I went out and visited with you true or false TDA
▶ 1:38:20is active in the apartment complexes in Aurora Colorado and other places around the country it is absolutely true sir absolutely 100% true and you witnessed the danger with your own eyes I witnessed that danger I've been to those apartment complexes and recently more people were arrested in those apartment complexes for kidnapping and extorting other people in those apartment comp and you would agree with me that it is a scorge across our country including in Texas in my own District in San Antonio absolutely sir it is happening well we don't have any legal Scholars I'll come back to Birthright citizenship in the future but
▶ 1:38:50just suffice it to say there is significant and ample evidence with what we understand about Birthright citizenship that subject to the jurisdiction thereof does not mean that you have a right to citizenship simply for being on our soil and being born on our soil we'll talk about that in another hearing I yield back Mr chairman I have a unanimous consent request uh speaking of felons who've been released I seek unanimous consent to introduce the arrest warrant for Daniel Charles Bell a man who was convicted of throwing explosive devices
▶ 1:39:20at law enforcement during the January 6 riots uh he's just been arrested on federal gun charges by the Trump Le Washington General lady recognized for a unanimous consent request request has been made and without objection granted thank you M Ross thank you Mr chairman and thank you to the witnesses for being here the fact is that enforcement alone will not fix our immigration system we need a comprehensive
▶ 1:39:50approach that balances effect effective enforcement with the needs of our country we must strengthen and expand lawful immigration Pathways this is a common sense solution that will ease pressure on our border and Ure that individuals seeking a better life and to improve the United States and our economy have a clear and orderly path to enter our country
▶ 1:40:20legally creating and enhanc ing a legal pathway is critical towards enhancing Security and protecting our economy the reality is that cutting lawful Pathways only exacerbates the crisis at the border for instance the decision to end the cpb1 app which was essential to make sure that people
▶ 1:40:51could come when they knew they had an appointment and we actually saw people at the border using that app when we did our codell to the southern border getting rid of it threatens to upend progress threatens chaos and it is not a solution for migration additionally we must consider the humanitarian and economic consequences of mass deportations
▶ 1:41:22deporting every undocumented immigrant in the country would destroy families Industries and make our economy less secure I represent North Carolina without immigrant labor we would have no agriculture industry we would not have a food service industry many of our tech
▶ 1:41:52industry Executives beg for more lawful Pathways to immigration our hospitality industry our construction industry I hear from them every single day furthermore the president's efforts to eliminate Birthright citizenship are deeply disturbing not only does this fly in the face of the Constitution but it creates legal uncertainty
▶ 1:42:22for m millions of children born in the United States and that chaos will overwhelm our legal system so confusion and create an underclass of stateless individuals all in violation of the Constitution as we discuss the future of immigration enforcement I urge my colleagues to consider the broader implications of these policies and work together to enact solutions that reflect
▶ 1:42:53our values and our needs as a nation we can secure our border and have enough people in this country to perform Services Dr Byer or Mr buer sorry I was elevating you since Congress created the Department of Homeland Security in 2003 we've spent approximately $49 billion doar on immigration enforcement and tens of billions
▶ 1:43:23more on Border barriers and other immigration immigration enforcement related infrastructure projects despite this massive infusion of money the system is still broken can you explain why focusing on enforcement alone will not fix our broken immigration system as as long as there's demand for labor in the United States people are going to try to come in order to fill that demand we saw it under the Trump Administration the Bush Administration
▶ 1:43:54the Obama Administration the Clinton Administration you can go all the way back as long as there's no legal way for them to fill jobs they're going to come illegally and whether you could say greater or lesser extent they're going to come and we're going to continue to deal with this problem the most critical area is that right now for lesser skilled jobs there is no Visa no work visa at all for yearr round jobs uh not requiring a college degree so where are all the the the people who are crossing the border
▶ 1:44:24going they're going into those jobs so we absolutely need to reform our legal immigration system thank you Mr chairman and I yield back Mr van Drew thank you chairman first I want to take this opportunity to thank you chairman thank you for your work that you've done on this issue thank you for your constant persistence and bringing it up over and over again you have made a difference on the issue a significant one and a difference in the United States of America and I mean I'm proud of the work you've done
▶ 1:44:55Mr bear I can't say the same for you man I just you know I don't even have the words and I would need an hour and a half with you one on-one alone to go through it and please for I'd be happy to anytime maybe we I we take you up on that let me tell you I mean the the the things that you said to me and I mean I'm not being disrespectful because I always try to be respectful to everybody are bizarre I believe like I'm in bizar world I I just
▶ 1:45:25I I don't even know where these statements come from I got all the statistics in my statement I didn't ask you a question sir um Mr Roy I want to associate some of the words that he said I wish you could sit in front of the families and it isn't just like in Riley I can give you name after name after name of men and women and children who were beaten who were raped who were abused who were disfigured who were harmed and we keep overlooking that because we say well there wasn't that many of them we don't care about
▶ 1:45:55the 400 people that got into this country the best that we can tell that are on the terror watch list well it's just not that many of them let me tell you to the mother or the father or the son or the daughter that loses somebody one is enough and to have this intellectual argument as we sit here in our comfortable chairs in our warm room where Lake and Riley for example fought for 20 minutes not to be raped and then finally was
▶ 1:46:25beaten so badly and her skull crushed in that she lost her life while her mother was calling her wondering where she was that's what matters to me so you know today's today's theme is a simple one actions have consequences President Biden's dozen of executive orders they crippled our border security and open up the floodgates of the Southern border that is a fact Mr Mayor I don't care what you say it's a fact we see it we feel it that's why
▶ 1:46:56Americans know it that's why the election that occurred occurred Congressional Democrats refused to pass hr2 which was a good piece of legislation and the floodgates open more state and local Democratic leaders opened their cities and spent billions upon billions of dollars to care for illegal IM illegal immigrants legal immigration is good when my colleagues on the other side speak about immigration let's make sure we all understand there is a big difference
▶ 1:47:26between legal and illegal immigration under President Biden US Customs and Border Protection encountered in the number changes it fluctuates but it's about 10 million inadmissible aliens from January 2021 to December 2024 that's three times the number countered during the Trump Administration let's talk about the real numbers and the real facts the Biden Administration deliberately dismantled the effective protocols and tools that we had it
▶ 1:47:56instituted Catch and Release that had an effect it ended the construction of the wall that had an even worse effect they ended title 42 that had another bad effect and they had they ended the remain in Mexico policy which hurt us as well over and over and over again everything to open up the borders no Nation prevails with open borders and the negligence has introduced us to Serious International
▶ 1:48:27and National danger nearly 400 individuals as I said on the terror watch list they're not hypotheticals they're real people they're real men and women that have been hurt and you know the the gentleman good man on the other side the ranking member Mr Mr Raskin said most illegals are not violent most illegals are not violent I agree with that most are not violent they're still breaking the law but damn it enough of them all are that is scary tell all those families that
▶ 1:48:57most of them are not violent they don't care about most of them come on let's get in the real world and it's not compassionate what my friends on the other side of the aisle are doing it hurts us and it hurts illegals it hurts children it hurts American families it hurts legal immigrants as well so I have a question for Mr fabricator I hope I pronounce your name I was the first non-italian Mar and my wife's family and they're probably listening to this and I'll get in trouble if I screwed it
▶ 1:49:27up I think we shouldn't fund Sanctuary cities and Sanctuary States we're sending Federal money over there they're purposely breaking the law what do you think and what do you what's the specific impact cutting off this Federal funding would have we should not fund them Sanctuary cities do not protect American citizens they only protect criminal illegal aliens thank you the gentleman time is thank you I yeld back uh Mr Garcia thank you uh Mr chairman and to all the witnesses today
▶ 1:49:58uh to No One surprise uh president Trump continues again using nativist rhetoric to demonize all immigrants to scare the public now the house and the Senate have passed the bill to turn those words into devastating action so my first question for Mr Beer is this Mr Beer on January 7th you tweeted that the lake and Riley act pretends to be about stopping illegal immigration
▶ 1:50:28who immigrants who commit crimes in fact it's a trojan horse designed to destroy legal migration end of quote as you know the lake and Riley act permits the attorney Attorneys General to sue DHS for perceived failures in Immigration enforcement so I'd appreciate you spelling it out here what are the dangers of that section in the lake and Riley act and specifically how can it be weaponized by state officials to dismantle
▶ 1:50:59legal immigration look people who commit crimes are already priorities for removal they were priorities for removal under the Biden Administration they're priorities for removal right now uh so there's no difference there what's what what is different about this act is the empowerment of state's attorney generals to go to uh courts and force the Secretary of state to stop issuing visas to countries that uh delay uh deportations
▶ 1:51:29uh to their to their countries so India China the largest uh uh origin countries Cuba Venezuela these are all countries that are on the list we would have to stop admitting Afghan allies from Afghanistan of course so it basically takes the The Authority away from the secretary of state Secretary of State future uh Rubio uh in this case would not have the ability to make that determination it would be turned over the courts and result in a huge slash in legal
▶ 1:52:00immigration and really no change in interior enforcement so it really provides unprecedented powers to Attorneys General in the states over a federal matter let's switch gears to the alien enemies act this is an executive order recently invoked by the president uh it was enacted in 1789 was designed to address threats during times of declared war but it's been criticized since it was implemented in the 18th century and
▶ 1:52:30it continues to be invoked to strip the rights from entire groups based on their national origin for example to justify the detainment of Japanese Americans Italian German Americans during World War II or more recently Trump's Muslim ban president Trump signed an executive order to use the alien enemies act to do Mass deportations without due process raising significant constitutional
▶ 1:53:00questions how does this align with the Fifth Amendment which guarantees due process to all individuals within the United States Mr Beer yeah so if he invokes the alien enemies act it would give him power to use the military to detain arrest and remove people without proving that they're in the country uh illegally or are removal from the United States that's an incredibly dangerous power that threatens the rights of all Americans it also could apply even to
▶ 1:53:30Legal permanent residents and other non-citizens who could be removed uh again were not subject to an invasion by a foreign government as required by the act so I don't know where he's going to be able to justify the use of this this Authority that was designed for cases of War thank you and in one minute I want you to comment on uh another debate going on regarding the 14th Amendment uh some argue that the framers did not consider illegal
▶ 1:54:01immigrants when drafting the citizenship Clause could you elaborate on your perspective regarding the 14th Amendment well if they didn't think about illegal immigrants then they couldn't possibly have written an exception to them uh to the general rule that anyone born in the United States is a US citizen obviously if they were weren't thinking about illegal immigrants they couldn't have written that exception into the law and obviously it doesn't apply uh in this case because if illegal immigrants are not
▶ 1:54:31subject to the laws of the United States then they're not illegal immigrants so it's a circular argument that makes no sense and I assume will be laughed out of the courts and thus the uh absurdity of uh attempting to deny Birthright to those born in this country oh completely absurd and it's not even just illegal immigrants we're talking about the CH their children also the children of legal uh residents who have who have been invited here by
▶ 1:55:01our government uh under Visa categories guest Workers International students even the uh former vice president kamla Harris uh would be potentially affected uh by this uh uh illegal and unconstitutional gentleman's has expired thank you Mr chairman Mr Moore thank you Mr chairman and uh I think we'll talk more about the 14th Amendment obviously it passed right after slavery was eradicated in the United States so all those children born to the slaves were allowed to be citizens if you look at the Congressional
▶ 1:55:32Record when they debated that it's pretty clear but we won't talk about that today I uh I got you know we president Trump said yesterday in uh in his inaugural speech to rec restore common sense to America just common sense and so I'm reminded of lies and I'm going to give you the southern baptist version lies dang lies and sta statistics now Mr be has given us a lot of Statistics today but the reality is that 76 million people elected Donald Trump to fix the chaos
▶ 1:56:02that is the US Southern border right now and what I've seen in my communities and you've heard testimony in here I had a 14-year-old girl in one of my districts drugged into a bathroom and raped by nickar Ragin whoi had a prior criminal record Mr fabricator but he came here 31 years old and claimed to be a minor and we did no background checks we turned that man loose into the community and he raped a girl in a bathroom in a restaurant in withp Alabama that's a kind of chaos that we've seen on the border Sheriff danels
▶ 1:56:33testified he came here and testified under oath that in 40 years of working a Border Town he had never seen the Border any better than it was in 2018 and never any worse than it was when he was here just a few months ago Mr fabricor what do you think changed what changed was it anything we did here in Congress what what changed was the Biden Administration letting in millions of people unvetted the vetting at the border was abysmal at best it was only checking for
▶ 1:57:03histories within the United States so if you had someone that had committed crimes in another country men here you don't have a history in this country we we did not know many people who came in we did not know what their criminal histories were allow to come is that how a 31y old man claims to be a minor and comes in as an unaccompanied minor to this country cuz we weren't vetting anybody the vetting was horrible and it's it that's not that instance happens a lot where we have them claiming to be juveniles e criminal illegal alings claiming to be juveniles because they know it will
▶ 1:57:33be easier to enter the United States and they probably won't get put into detention and the Biden Administration allowed that to happen you know and Miss Von we certainly we've seen this across the country the the fentol deaths and and the sort of things that are happening in our communities over 100,000 kids we lost to spent all death pouring across the US Southern border and when in y Arizona when we had the hearing there folks we literally had people coming across in labor they were taking them to a hospital and those
▶ 1:58:03ladies were delivering children in the ERS to the point that even the US citizens could not get a bed when they were in labor and delivery and the crazy one of the most astonishing things that I saw was that the hospital by federal law was required to provide them car seats and so they were running out of car seats for ladies who were having children in our Hospital while the American citizens could not get a a a labor and delivery bed that was going on under prior Administration now so I let out with President Trump said something about common sense I'm going to give you an
▶ 1:58:33opportunity each of you guys to tell me the one thing that you think Congress needs to do that makes Common Sense how do we fix this crisis that we have how do we fulfill the promise of securing the US Southern border and making America safe again Mr fabricator Fab I'll let you go first thank you sir make sure ice is funded make sure enforcement remov operations has the officers necessary increase detention beds we need a massive increase in detention beds from what we have now which is around 40,000 to probably an excess of
▶ 1:59:0470,000 we need to make sure that we can fund this so that we can take care of this problem today the chairman mentioned that we're going to as this committee and as Congress we are going to make sure that we fund the president's priorities to round people up and get them out of here Miss V uh another thing that would help a lot would be to eliminate all of the programs that allow people who've managed to get into the country to have their status laundered essentially into um a program a Visa program or a
▶ 1:59:34benefit that gives them a work permit and how do you miss vanan how do you launder a status that's interesting well you apply for a program like a UVA program special immigrant juvenile or or uh TPS sometimes can be granted um even though you entered a legal you're allowed to stay and you get a work permit and the systems are so bogged down you get this benefit even before your application has been evaluated or you've had a background check and many of these have
▶ 2:00:04a path to Citizens talking about bogging the system down folks and in you Arizona we had the testimony they were getting a cell phone $800 a month and we were turning them loose and then the phones are so we could call them to come to their court case but they would take our phones and not our calls it's quite astonishing Mr Newman one quick Common Sense fix pass hr2 stop the loopholed to do you know we we passed that in the house but the Democratic control Senate would not pass that do you know that you aware of that we'll bring it back thank you Mr chairman now you back time has expired Miss Crockett thank you so much Mr chair I am going
▶ 2:00:35to try to get through a lot quickly um as one of the few people sitting on the deas who actually practice criminal law in the state of Texas as well as um licens in Arkansas and practice there as well as federal courts um one of the things that you said earlier Mr Beer really stuck with me is that there are already laws on the books as it relates to those violent criminals and I know this because even though I hail from the great city of Dallas I can tell you that when someone would come in and they were
▶ 2:01:05being held in custody for say a crime they also had a ice hold okay and that was for those that had maybe been deported before and had reentered illegally and things like that and so no matter what type of City you're in I do want want to be clear federal law already no matter if it's under the Biden Administration or if it's under a republican Administration we all agree that we want to be safe and I think that's the first premise that we're losing because there isn't something that is tatted on my
▶ 2:01:36head that says that I'm a Democrat and therefore you illegal bad person don't come for me go for the ones that have the RS on their their forehead now now let me be clear about this as well because we've talked about crime and we've talked about fentol specifically and this is also something that I have dealt with unlike some of my other colleagues and listen I'm going to be honest because I actually want to fix problems and I actually have a really good senator in Texas and I'm sure y'all can guess which one is the good one but let me tell you
▶ 2:02:06if we care about fenol I have multiple bills for that I started on the state level before everybody started talking about it and I have Federal bills bills that my senior senator has signed on to so I welcome my colleagues because I actually want to make sure that my communities are safe but as we start to talk about crime and statistics Mr Beer I want to play a little game with you it's called rhetoric versus reality and so I want
▶ 2:02:36to ask you my first question is this rhetoric or reality immigrants commit more crimes than US citizens on a on a per capita basis rhetoric or reality oh it it is uh rhetoric okay thank you so much much um Mr chair I'd like to ask for unanimous consent to enter into the record this article uh which states that undocumented immigrant offending rate lower than us-born citizen rate and this is from
▶ 2:03:08nj. OJ p.gov without objection thank you so much the next one immigrants are just living off the federal government and contribute nothing that would be rhetoric okay thank you so much Mr chair I would ask unanimous consent to enter study that says undocumented immigrants pay almost hundred billion dollar in taxes this is from the Alabama reflector without objection thank you so much my final rhetoric or reality question is immigrants only enter at the southern
▶ 2:03:38border rhetoric okay right because we they enter all kinds of ways I just wanted to make sure that I put that out there um in fact I have a few more questions because I still got a little bit of time which I usually run out of time um we have talked again about crime and and there's been this overemphasis on it and honestly uh I can tell you that I don't want anyone to be killed whether it's here or anywhere else there is nothing about me as the child of a preacher that makes
▶ 2:04:08me say that I want people to die okay so I feel as if my colleagues from across the aisle have decided that they are going to make immigrants the boogeyman it's it's Insanity to me but they also are showing compassion for victims which they should but they have no compassion for people that are contributing to making us great in this country
▶ 2:04:39so interestingly enough uh I'm curious to know Mr Beer if you know if immigrants contributed to these particular crimes there was a mass shooting in Buffalo New York that killed um a number of African Americans as they were trying to shop for groceries was the defendant an immigrant in that case do you know no he was a US born citizen thank you so much Charleston sth Charleston South Carolina there were black church gers trying to praise the Lord they were killed was
▶ 2:05:09that an immigrant that perpetrated that or not no that was a US born citizen thank you so much now coming home to Texas there was an an El Paso shooting do you know if that was an immigrant or not no they were targeting immigrants in that case in fact each of these cases it was white supremacist and so the last unanimous consent that I'd ask for is this article that states that white supremacist behind over 80% of extremism related us murders in 2022 without objection thank you so much gent ladies time has
▶ 2:05:39expired grman thank you uh eventually some sort of immigration bill is going to be passed this Congress we're trying to uh look for some Common Ground Mr Beer um we've talked about this before in the past I've um introduced something called the safeguarding benefits for Americans act which prevents non-citizens from receiving we'll normally refer to as welfare benefits I just want to confirm that you think that' be a good idea
▶ 2:06:09probably improving the quality of immigrants we have coming here absolutely immigrants should be self-sufficient when they come to the United States very good well there's maybe something we can receive bipartisan support for uh when we move an immigration Bill next thing I'd like to point out and Mr Moore's always handled this to a degree I want to point out that in the 14th Amendment it does not say all persons born in the United States become citizens of the United States it's all persons born or naturalized in the United
▶ 2:06:39States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof that amendment was passed coming out of the Civil War there's a reason it was Past coming out of the Civil War Congress was afraid the Democrats would try to undermine the results of that war by um forbidding former slaves from voting and clearly that's what the amendment was supposed to deal with it did not uh include
▶ 2:07:10anybody who just happened to show up here and have a baby and moved on um any congre Congressman at that time as could be seen from the uh the debate on the floor at that time no Congressman felt that resulted in what we are now referring to as Birthright citizenship it was supposed to be limited to Slaves you did not have uh you were not subject to the jur or you were only subject the jurisdiction of if you were a former slave a person
▶ 2:07:40who came here from France and was just passing through their child would not become a citizen that should be obvious now you want to get on to a few more questions I'm going to ask these of M Von um uh when a child arrives at the bo okay one of the heartbreaking stories you sometimes hear in this country is uh parents get divorced one parent grabs the child and flees to somewhere like Pakistan or
▶ 2:08:11somewhere uh the other parent is here in the United States and they can't get that child back in other words it results in a broken family which is just horrible and I do think we have to do all we can to keep families together um in this country under the Biden Administration before that if a child shows up with one parent and they come in this country is any effort made to to see whether
▶ 2:08:41the local Court say the child comes here from Guatemala Cuba wherever that the local court has said that they want the Parents separate or do we just assume that the other parent would be okay with this and not seeing his child again um well if you're referring to cases in which um the child is seeking an order of protection from say a state family court is that the scenario well let's say there's a divorce or at the border itself um
▶ 2:09:11at the border there you know families who arrive or a person who an adult who arrives with a child is not detained um if right do you think there should be do you think we should do something to make sure that we don't have a situation like I described where one parent takes a child to Pakistan and they're gone I mean again if a a parent shows up at the southern one parent with a child we don't know what where
▶ 2:09:41the other parent is we don't know whether that parent is the parent who shows up is fleeing the other parent trying to raise that child without a parent uh is that of concern to you well it it is because our our state family courts or are not in a position to evaluate those claims made if um the alien child for example is Seeking a special immigrant juvenile Visa seeking to stay here permanently
▶ 2:10:11um there's there's just no way they're not held to the same standards of evidence that say an an American kid would have to to receive an order of protection so this leads to abuse you think it'd be a good idea when we pass our immigration law if we said that if a child is here with one parent uh we have to make sure legally somehow that the other parent is okay with that or it's in accordance with the the local courts and like I said
▶ 2:10:42Guatemala Cuba wherever that the local courts have said it's okay that we're permanently breaking up the family which I think should happen very rarely um yeah that's a tough thing for the American legal system to deal with something that happened a separation that occurred in the Home Country we wouldn't have to deal with the system if we insisted having both parents here in the first place right uh Mr Cohen thank you Mr chair um M Mr
▶ 2:11:12Beer let me ask you somebody ask you a question about Lake and Raleigh case and you said that people who were uh criminals or conf felons were already prioritized isn't that if they're convicted that's right you need a criminal conviction to be subject to mandatory detention you don't need a criminal conviction if you are in the country illegally already and the uh Administration can go out and arrest that person even without a criminal conviction but lak and Riley I believe was the the bill we had that
▶ 2:11:42expanded that to people who were charged with charged with not convicted Mis yeah I mean you didn't even need an arrest to be subject to mandatory detention so there's a difference there there there is discretion for ice to go get someone who is fleeing or evading charges but if someone has just been arrested and then they're never charged because they didn't commit the crime it would be wrong to subject someone to mandatory imprisonment uh in a case where they were cleared so you think
▶ 2:12:12there should be some priorities in and who we try to deport absolutely we need to focus on people who have violated the rights of Americans who have committed crimes and with victims those are the people that we need to seek Justice for uh not just if they're immigrants but in general that's what law enforcement should be focusing on even on pardons if you had people that were tried to overthrow the government in January 6 that you should go after people that were maybe beat cops up and
▶ 2:12:43and and and led the operation is distinguish from people that were just showed up and kind of hung out I absolutely believe that we should focus on on violent offenders and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law U Mr is it fabricari affirmative sir yes thank you do do you agree with what Mr Beer said that we should have priorities on who we go after no sir I I I do not I I I I believe we should F DCA kids who've been in this country maybe 20 or 25 years and been good citizens
▶ 2:13:13maybe you know and might been in the military or National Guard or something that they should be rounded up and deported as well well the focus should be on criminals initially but if you're violating the immigration law you violated the immigration law you violated laws of the United States and and at some point in time that needs to come to a reckoning we don't have enough Monies to put into this to deport everybody that's that category right I I I would ask that you would fund that sir as Congress well if we fund it we'd probably have to cut
▶ 2:13:43out lots of basic programs we've got now it's a tremendous amount of money billions and billions of dollars I don't I don't put a cost on United States citizens lives sir okay um maybe we get Elon to pay for it um the U election's over and we need to find Common Ground the the bill that the Senate was proposing uh how many Republicans were for that bill or voted for it I I don't remember could be
▶ 2:14:13a couple could be 15 or 16 couldn't it I don't I don't have the answer to that well I think it was closer to 15 or 16 I I don't recall exactly but there were quite a few what did that bill do that was good and what we should take up now and what what was in the bill if anything that you think was bad well I I certainly think that one of the most important uh reforms in that legislation was that if someone is released from from us custody they're able to seek a work authorization and support themselves what we saw in
▶ 2:14:44New York and it's pointed to repeatedly about these people who are living in hotel rooms and a burden on the community it's because because they're unable to work to support themselves because they're told you're not supposed to work you have to wait 6 months to get your work permit uh through the Asylum process so if the government is not going to remove someone is they're going to release them uh unless they've you know committed some serious crime or there's some other aggravating circumstance they should be supporting themselves and contributing to the community so that's one important thing that it it
▶ 2:15:14did um it it it made some uh important reforms to the legal immigration process uh as well increase in Green Card caps for the first time since 1990 that's how old our legal immigration system is the overall framework of uh the legal immigration system needs to be reformed this was a modest step in the right direction what we need is legislation that is thought out not just common sense but logical and thought out and planned not where
▶ 2:15:44somebody might just say what are we going to do with all these January 6 people well it's going to take some time have to take some processes so just eff it just do them all that's a Manchild we don't need a Manchild in charge of our government or making policy because that makes for mistakes that makes for the guy who came up with the the uh Silk Road and be the biggest drug dealer in the world to get a pardon needs to stop and our immigration laws ought to be done in a logical Manner
▶ 2:16:15and with priorities I yield back the balance of my time gentleman's time has expired Mr Fry thank you Mr chairman for having this hearing I think it's really appropriate as we begin this Congress that we start with the issue that was settled in November and why the American people chose uh overwhelmingly Donald Trump to be our 47th president um I'm a little perplexed though Mr Beer about a statement that you made that Joe Biden made the border and the immigration system better nobody believes that people in their communities and I'm not going to ask you question about
▶ 2:16:45this but nobody believes that and in fact behind me the numbers don't lie sir look at the hike under the Biden administration of illegal migrants coming into this country and he fixed the problem or made it better I don't think so and I would also remind you and and for people watching back home um that it didn't get better in fact in in September of last year chairman green of the homeland security uh committee uh released um a press release talking about a letter that they received from
▶ 2:17:15Ice that nearly 650,000 criminal ille illegal aliens were current in Isis non-detained docket roaming free in the community that means that they were picked up processed had their criminal backgrounds uh obtained by the US government and released into the interior of this country 15,000 homicides 20,000 sexual assaults assaults over 100,000 burglary larsy and robbery 60,000 traffic offenses 126,000 kidnappings 3500
▶ 2:17:46the list goes on and so nobody actually believes sir that the immigration system system got better under Joe Biden so real quick Mr fabricator Mr Newman and Miss vaugh I'm going to go down the line here and ask a couple of a couple questions when Joe Biden terminated the ROM remain and Mexico policy did that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration sir no it did not sir Miss vongh no Mr Newman no when Joe Biden halted construction of the border wall on day one of his uh Administration did that lead to a decrease
▶ 2:18:17in illegal immigration in this country Mr it did not decrease No Sir Mr Newman no when he terminated the Asylum Cooperative agreements with Guatemala Guatemala El Salvador and hondurus did that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration no no no when he bastardized Parole Authority and changed the law himself did that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration no sir no got worse I think the answers
▶ 2:18:47are pretty clear in fact when we went to Yuma Arizona and met with the community and saw firsthand of course the Democrats didn't even show up to work they wouldn't go down there with us it was an actual Judiciary Committee hearing field Hearing in Yuma and they didn't come but we would hear from the people there the stress on the Health Care System the stress at the border the stress on the families you couldn't even get a hospital room if you needed to have a child or if you broke your leg those are the people who were impact and of course we see this all in in our community so
▶ 2:19:17let's fast forward to today president Trump Trump with his executive orders reinstated the remain in Mexico policy will that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration yes sir Miss Von I believe so yes abely will completing construction of the border wall and funding our immigration uh Services down there will that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration it will help decrease IL illegal immigration is v as long as there are no policies to undermine
▶ 2:19:47the deterrence that's a key Point yes ma'am it's a ke tool to help will designating cartels and gangs as Forest foreign terrorist organizations lead to a decrease in illegal immigration yes I hope so yeah I hope so will terminating categor categorical parole programs lead to a decrease in illegal immigration absolutely will definitely yes Mr well terminating the use of the cbp1 app which I think uh was described
▶ 2:20:17by somebody on this committee as the Disney FastPass for illegal immigration will that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration it will it was full of fraud yes yeah so I think that the pretty clear and I think the next steps obviously there are the part one of this are the executive orders part two what Congress can do so Mr fabricator just for perspective uh you served at ice during the Trump Administration um and and part of the Biden Harris Administration how would you describe the differences between the two administrations very briefly
▶ 2:20:48um in enforcement of illegal immig uh enforcement uh under both administrations it was night and day president Trump wanted to enforce was exactly in the the Ina while President Biden the minute that he came into office it was a change into we are not enforcing these laws we're opening this board he wanted a 100 day moratorium on deportations the first day when he was in office Miss Miss Von final question for you what steps can we take to make sure that future administrations like the Biden Administration
▶ 2:21:19don't undermine the actual law or twist policies um that we can have a permanent fix to this problem um in addition to funding enforcement um to um rewrite the rules on some of these programs and discretionary authorities to give out work permits and categorical parole or attempt categorical role and also I think to get better control and restore Integrity
▶ 2:21:49to our legal immigrant a system um because that you know when people know that there are loopholes that exist they come to try to take advantage of that close the loopholes well said and I yield back thank you Mr nler uh Mr chairman the Flor of executive order signed by President Trump on Monday promised
▶ 2:22:19little more than the chaos and cruelty we became accustomed to in his first term his radical anti-immigration agenda will separate families decimate our economy and strike fear in our communities with the stroke of a pen he has revived the harsh and inhumane policies of his previous administration such as the Romanian Mexico program eliminated enforcement priorities sharply reduced the availability of humanitarian parole begun dismantling the refugee program and launched a breathtaking assault
▶ 2:22:49on the con stitution by attempting to end Birthright citizenship but the Trump administration's policy of mass deportation and destroying legal Pathways wrapped as always in a blanket of hateful rhetoric will not fix our broken immigration system it will only make it harder to reach the bipartisan comprehensive solutions that are so desperately needed Mr Beer thank you for being here today Republicans are using this hearing to lay the foundation for their own anti-immigration agenda so
▶ 2:23:20I wanted start with some important facts about the state of the Border today one when President Biden left office earlier this week where unauthorized Crossings higher or lower than they were when President Trump left office they were much lower significantly lower about 33% lower than when President Trump left office thank you what about evasions of border patrol officers were they hire at the end of President Trump's first term or President Biden's there were 42% lower at the end of Biden's
▶ 2:23:50term than at the end of Trump's and Trump's increased evasions over the course of his four years and isn't it true that unlawful encounters at the border were trending upwards long before President Biden took office every month after April 2020 it increased he keeps pointing to April 2020 when uh the pandemic started and unemployment spiked uh but every month after that we saw increases in uh illegal immigration and border crossings and evasion
▶ 2:24:20of of border patrol thank you I want to turn now to the executive order that reports to end Birthright citizenship this executive order prevents the children of immigrants both those whose parents have a lawful immigration status like a work visa and those whose parents are undocumented who are born in the United States from being able to obtain documents to demonstrate that they are citizens of the United States can you please talk about how this would work in practice the sort of chaos that will ensue if this order is actually allowed to go
▶ 2:24:50forward oh absolutely this is going to apply to every single American uh child born in the in the United States you will have to prove the status and and and uh citizenship every child not just those of undocumented exactly every I my my family is going to go through this in a few months we're going to have to prove the the citizenship uh of the the parents of the child of course we can do that um but if you don't have a passport according to this order you're you don't have proof of citizenship your birth certificate isn't
▶ 2:25:21enough uh and so you will have to go through the rabbit hole I'll have to prove my uh parents citizenship and and uh paperwork I mean this is the insanity of this uh order from an administrative perspective it's going to burden every single American is going to call into question all of our citizenship and uh looking forward it's going to create a lot of people who are in stateless situations where they don't have citizenship of any country and can be subject to removal even though they were born here
▶ 2:25:51they grew up here they are Americans This is an attack on Americans and our rights let's take a specific example of the impact this executive order could have the extensive green card backlogs for high-skilled workers mean that H1B Visa holders must wait decades and even centuries before a green card is available to them right now if both parents have H1B status a child who was born abroad but who has lived in the United States for nearly their entire lives must leave the country when they turn 21 unless they have their own imigration status that's
▶ 2:26:21bad enough that under this executive order even children born in the US to such parents might have to self- deport because they would be denied citizenship at Birth Mr Beer does it make sense to send children who are born in the United States to countries that they don't know they never have been to and where they have no support network no it absolutely does not it makes the country weaker it discourages legal immigration it discourages high-skilled immigration look and I talk to a lot of high-skilled immigrants in this in this country they talk about their family they
▶ 2:26:51talk about the hope they have for their children to be Americans to grow up in this country and to contribute to this country and and we should want them here we should want to encourage uh them to stay and one of the greatest things the United States has ever done is had Birthright citizenship because it encourages assimilation everyone who's born here knows I'm an American I can participate in our democracy and contribute to this country contrary to the president only one country has Birthright
▶ 2:27:22citizenship 33 do I yield back Mr Hunt DAV Mr chairman Biden attempted to reimagine immigration in America Biden wanted you to think that it was normal to live in an America with open borders to live in an America with Sanctuary cities to fly 30,000 people per month from Cuba Haiti Nicaragua and Venezuela into America on commercial flights to turn temporary protected status into a permanent
▶ 2:27:52protected status that is not normal it is not constitutional and now thank God it's over do you want to know what is normal president Trump's policies are normal and he's back and he is here to help within hours of Trump's taking office president Trump deleted the cbp1 app reformed the parole program and placed a real borders are Tom Homan in charge he is a serious
▶ 2:28:22man Trump also signed a flurry of executive orders restoring normal border security and immigration standards to this great nation again thank God he's back when Trump got elected we knew that the liberal media would we knew exactly what they would do because they do the same thing during a previous Trump Administration we knew that they would attempt to pull our heartstrings to shame us into changing our standard immigration laws in fact on the day that President Trump got inaugurated
▶ 2:28:53the liberal media posted a story of a woman crying when her cbp1 app appointment was cancelled that tactic is not going to work this time because we have seen firsthand for the last four years the devastating effects that Biden's border policies have had on all Americans and while I empathize with everyone who wants to come to America because again we know this is the greatest place in the world this compassion is misplaced as it usually is
▶ 2:29:23with the left the woman's tears that I care the most about are the mothers of Lincoln Riley Joselyn Nung and Rachel Moren Lincoln Riley was killed by an illegal alien while out on a jog it should be known that her killer committed a crime in another American city but he was released because that City you guessed it was a sanctuary City Jos while on her way to a convenience store was killed
▶ 2:29:53by two illegal aliens who entered through the southern border just a few months earlier by the time these illegal aliens at the time these illegal aliens were still wearing their us issued ankle tracking monitors when they killed her Miss Moren a young mother of five children was hiking on a Maryland Trail when illegal alien attacked and killed her and I could sadly name many more circumstances just just like this I don't
▶ 2:30:23know about other countries but in America our daughters and I have two of them should be able to go for a jog and a run to or to a convenience store without the fear of an illegal alien killing them that goes for all of our children in this nation I serve this country to protect my children and our sons and daughters Mr Mr fatori thank you so much for being here as always you're one of my favorites one of the executive orders that President Trump has enacted
▶ 2:30:53so far of them which one do you think is going to be the most helpful and why well I I I you know number one I think all the executive orders that that he's putting through are are going to be uh you know they're they're needed it's it there's you know there's a reason why why he did it but securing our border number one uh making sure that CBP app is is no longer being used so that there's fraud uh coming into this this country I I I I think overall everything that President Trump is trying to do for the border is for the right reason the
▶ 2:31:24number one priority should be protecting American citizens and I I I think that that was the goal uh of President Trump thank you um Miss vaugh given these last few executive orders as well I actually like like your take on that and do you think it is going to improve our border and our immigration status or is it going to hurt our IM our immigration status set of curiosity oh the the set of executive orders are are definitely going going to improve our immigration status um especially the one that rescinded the Biden orders
▶ 2:31:55um I especially look forward to the one that is going to um increase state and local Partnerships with Federal authorities um to to work on this common Mission thank you ma'am I'll lend with this do not allow the left to Gaslight you secure borders are normal I have someone has deployed all over the world every other country would never behave and allow 20 million people to enter their country illegally that's not normal
▶ 2:32:25so thank God we're going to get back to normaly and thank you all for Le for leading our charge I you back to the remainder of my time thank you Mr not thank you Mr chairman Witnesses thank you for being here um before I ask any questions let me state from a firstperson perspective that I had the privilege of serving under both the Biden and the Trump administrations I was a federal prosec utor who who focused exclusively on organized crime and the idea
▶ 2:32:56that both administrations were committed to applying the law as it relates to both organized crime and specifically how illegal immigration infested organized crime is laughable it's demonstrably not true on day one of the Biden's Department of Justice in 2021 prosecutors that I worked with who had been exclusively assigned to Prosecuting illegal re-entries and offenses those individuals were
▶ 2:33:26either reassigned or let go many of them are no longer with the Department of Justice in this track when you look at the number of illegal re-entries so these are people who were removed after having been convicted of a crime and then come back a second time the number of those prosecutions the number of those sentences and convictions decreased precipitously under the Biden Administration despite millions and millions more illegal crossers secondly this bureaucratic and administrative effect that I saw from the
▶ 2:33:56prosecutor's side it applied equally to the law enforcement side I'm sure you know sir from your your contact with the border patrol with DEA with ATF and other federal law enforcement that these bureaucratic hurdles made it very difficult to investigate to prosecute to even submit cases that dealt with immigration for whatever reason it was was flatly deprioritized in terms of a law enforcement mechanism that the Department of Justice was unable
▶ 2:34:26to bring these cases to the grand jury to charge them and to work them over the last four years now I want to go and ask uh a few questions Miss vgh you've specifically mentioned just now that there were very little disincentivizing illegal immigration can you expand can you expand on that just broadly speaking were there any disincentives to any person who wanted to cross illegally into the United States over the last
▶ 2:34:57years uh no people understood that if they could make it to the US border that they almost certainly were going to be released into the country um possibly issued a work permit and and would not expect uh any threat of removal or Consequences for their illegal entry for the foreseeable future Mr Newman were there any disincentives that you saw over the last four years implemented by the Biden Administration
▶ 2:35:28specifically to disincentivize Illegal immigration no no not many at all uh as as Jessica just me Mrs Von just mentioned the the getting parole like those are obvious incentives to coming in but also as as was mentioned before deprioritizing illegal immigration crimes meant people knew they could just come in and and basically vanish into the country and they did that's why we have more illegal aliens in the country now than we did four years ago and isn't it true sir that the uh that the Border does have vast swaths of the mileage that were
▶ 2:35:58unsupervised by order by the border patrol and that emanated from Washington obviously but it was implemented with huge holes in the Border yes and so therefore it's entirely foreseeable that tens of tens of thousands hundreds of thousands even Millions potentially could have come across the border without contact yes Miss Von I want to talk to you about how the cartels exploited these loopholes over the last four years the price of drugs in many respects have gone down precipitously that's an increase of Supply I saw this in my job how have cartels exploited the open border
▶ 2:36:28of the last four years well they've reaped enormous revenue from it something like 13 billion dollar a year that's just known by the way right yes um they have enticed migrants um because you know they they could confidently assure their customers that they would succeed in getting into the US and then often they hooked them up in um um with jobs um and told them that they would have to pay off the remainder of their smuggling fee um by giving back
▶ 2:36:58some of the wages that they were earning you know all determined by the cartel pay for housing Transportation food all kinds of other um expenses they have and what was a debt bondage or labor trafficking situation that's that's how they took advantage of these people and that's still going on right now oh absolutely that infrastructure is in place yes correct yes um and that leads to more or less dangerous crime oh more more and more more or less gang violence one of the ways that they can get people to pay off their debt is
▶ 2:37:29to uh participate in drug traffic more or less overdose deaths more and Sir briefly can you describe the impact on local non-federal law enforcement that these open border policies have had it it's it's made it so it's very hard for local law enforcement to respond to anything they're they're focused on so many more additional crimes when the KO Institute said says that illegal immigrants commit half less than than US citizens it doesn't matter how much they they're committing it's adding to what local law enforcement has to respond to
▶ 2:37:59gentleman's time has expired yes sir Mr H thank you Mr thank you Mr chairman um today I do have some questions but at first I wanted to address some absurdities to which this committee was treated today uh first we have the absurdity from ranking member Rasin that somehow the 2024 Senate immigration bill was the solution to our border
▶ 2:38:29crisis um this No One Believes that it failed because it was a lousy bill it was an amnesty bill in fact it was such a bad Bill that it failed to pass somehow the idea that House Republicans are responsible for its demise is absurd because it failed in the Senate 43 to 50 including six Democrats voting no meanwhile the Senate Democrats refused to take up a real border security Bill hr2 secondly the absurdity
▶ 2:38:59that somehow somehow anchor babies should have Birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment and yes I said it anchor babies because that is the appropriate term these babies serve as as anchors to prevent deportation of illegal aliens as was said earlier the 14th Amendment involved slaves after the Civil War to prevent Democrat Southerners from depriving those freed slaves
▶ 2:39:29of their civil rights and this idea of Birthright citizenship for anchor babies was invented out of whole cloth in a footnote dicta not even the actual decision by Justice Brandon in 1982 so I applaud president Trump for that executive order and then finally the absurdity that somehow things were better under President Biden than under President Trump you know I think it's nice that our libertarian friends
▶ 2:39:59at Ko remind us that illegal aliens pay some taxes that's nice but I would also remind that the great libertarian Economist Milton fredman once famously said you cannot have a welfare state and open borders those illegal aliens cost us in health care expenses and education expenses and of course in social welfare uh expenses and devastate those programs um Mr fabricator um I'm a medical doctor I practiced medicine for 30 years in the early years of my
▶ 2:40:30practice we worried a lot about drugs in terms of overprescription of Narcotics by physicians and we worried about meth dealers making methamphetamine out of pseudophed in often in rural areas today though we have 100,000 deaths from fentanyl the great majority of it crossing our Southern border and then and a lot of people forget this 50,000 deaths from methamphetamine it's not made in a trailer in murl Missouri anymore it's
▶ 2:41:00made in Mexico and comes across our Southern border Could you um this is kind of a follow-up question the question representative not not asked um Miss vau um how how how has our porest border contributed to the drug problem in the United States yeah look the the cartel is all about profit so so if they can make a Prof in the United States they're going to make sure that that they do so with with with the fentel that we've had coming in it it's been a boon to the cartels it's been a Bo they don't care that 100,000
▶ 2:41:30United States citizens are dying every year that's a cost of business to them and we should be going after the cartels for poisoning our United States citizens we're losing a 100,000 people a year just off this one drug and we've done nothing about it these last four years well I think that's going to stop now and we're going to go directly after the cartels for killing our United States citizens the cartel leaders are terrorists I think Trump's executive order makes them eligible for the solumani treatment um Miss vau I uh
▶ 2:42:00I I you you I think touched most on the idea of Visa abuse in my district in Missouri a an illegal alien once while driving an Uber once while driving a lift sexually assaulted two young women in my district now he was a a a tourist Visa overstayer is there anything we can do to crack down on the the this very common uh source of um of illegal immigration
▶ 2:42:30which is coming legally but then overstaying a Visa yes there are a number of things not one Silver Bullet but you know if we take away the ability of people to work here um that's a disincentive to overstay but we can also um lean on the state department or enact requirements for them to adjust their visa issuance protocols um to um address High overstay rates and um ice needs to do more
▶ 2:43:00enforcement on overstays frankly and I would also like to see um a way to hold the sponsors of uh some of these Visa holders responsible for too much overstaying very good time has expired Schmidt thank you Mr chairman and and thank you for conducting this hearing to kick off this Congress there is no more important subject than the security of our nation and of moving away from these horrific policies that
▶ 2:43:30have abandoned that security in the name of political correctness or in the name of some sort of social engineering or in the name of political expediency I've been listening to this discussion today uh and it strikes me that uh perhaps Washington does what so many Americans thinks Washington uh can do which is talk ceaselessly about things that have little connection to their actual lives uh over the past 12 years I led
▶ 2:44:00a state law enforcement agency in my home state of Kansas I've been thinking on this dis about cases we actually worked uh thinking about a case in which a young man I think he was 26 uh was running drugs for the cartels he was driving North on a US Highway he was stopped by an Oklahoma law enforcement officer he panicked he shot the officer in the head by the grace of God the officer is still alive to this day uh he then came across
▶ 2:44:31the border where our officer stopped his vehicle with Stop Sticks he fled on foot he carjacked the vehicle of an old man in the middle of the night he fled in high highspeed Pursuit up the highway in Kansas he realized he was going to be caught he pulled over to the side of the highway he invaded a home by the grace of God nobody was home he then shot at our officers and I had a lengthy discussion with my counterpart in Oklahoma over who got to prosecu him first we both sent him to prison for the rest of his life under our respective state laws I'm thinking about a case
▶ 2:45:02uh in Johnson County Kansas we an illegal alien in this country was drunk one night and he struck and killed a sheriff's deputy who had done nothing but his job he' pulled over a citizen who was driving erratically uh on the side of the highway and the drunken driver who never should have been in this country uh killed that young man I attended his funeral I'm thinking about a case in a very small county in North Central Kansas where an illegal alien came to this country raped a child and we sent him to prison for the rest of his life under the laws of the state of Kansas not because he was an illegal alien
▶ 2:45:32but because he raped a child in our state I'm thinking about a case in northwest Kansas where an illegal alien came in in a very small County and murdered his domestic partner we sent him to prison for the rest of his life I'm thinking about a case in southwest Kansas where the same thing happened and legal alien joined up with some some lawfully present citizens stole a car and then decided to kill the witness uh and we wound up sending that individual to prison for the rest of his life and that's just the cases I can think of sitting here that we handled at a state level in a state where the vast majority of criminal
▶ 2:46:02activity is handled by local authorities not by the state of Kansas think of the volume that we're talking about here and how offensive it is to those victims and their families to say statistically uh illegal aliens don't kill people at a higher rate than anybody who actually lives here give me a break so I have a couple of questions for you I'd like to know um obviously we've talked a great deal about how enforcement priorities and policy priorities in this town affect uh cooperation and interactive out in the real world
▶ 2:46:33where federal law enforcement actually work with state law enforcement and they're not getting orders out of this town they do their jobs in order to keep our community safe and don't worry so much uh about who is doing what they just want to get the job done it certainly works that way in my state of Kansas um and yet we fight with folks in this town uh all the way from the operational level I'm thinking of a briefing that was cancelled uh where I was supposed to go get a briefing from Ice and folks in this town ordered the local agents not to talk to us because I was a Republican and we weren't supposed to uh
▶ 2:47:03get access to that information from from line Enforcement Officers I'm all the way to the US Supreme Court I'm thinking of a case we argued and actually won uh back in 2020 uh that allowed states to prosecute illegal aliens um uh who commit crimes under the jurisdiction of our state were not preempted so here's my questions uh for you and I'll I'll go to Mr fabricator because he has operational law enforcement experience as we figure out what we can actually agree on here that can make a difference should we or should we
▶ 2:47:33not explore the idea of expanding cooperation between local and state law enforcement on the one hand and federal law enforcement on the other yeah Congressman absolutely look working with federal law enforcement local law enforcement county level all levels of law enforcement makes United States safer when we're able to join together and cooperate we only make the community safer and what about state and local prosecutors on the one hand or federal prosecutors on the other hand there are thousands of state and local prosecutors who encounter the vast
▶ 2:48:03majority of criminal aliens very few Federal authorities should we work on expanding cooperation between federal and state Prosecuting authorities yes a absolutely any work that we can do together is is going to make sure that we can we can make sure that we're we're going after criminals and so too with respect to state courts where the vast majority of these crimes are prosecuted should we work on expanding the ability of state courts to assist us in enforcing our immigration laws yes good thank you very much Mr chairman thank you Mr Gil
▶ 2:48:34thank you Mr chairman nothing excites me more than the thought of President Trump initiating the largest deportation operation in American history I'd like to remind the committee that the purpose of our immigration a system is for the benefit of American citizens not foreigners or anybody else for the past four years Democrats have facilitated the invasion of over 10 million illegal aliens into our country
▶ 2:49:04open borders grow the welfare state they depress American wages strain our education and Health Care system price our working class out of owning a home and flood our communities with violence and drugs uh Mr Beer and as well as my colleagues on the other side of the aisle um you're intellectualizing about illegal alien crime notwithstanding I'd like to remind you that the correct number of American citizens murdered or raped by illegal aliens
▶ 2:49:34is zero Americans have learned firsthand that importing the third world will turn America into the third world so in light of the chaos of the past four years the question that that has come up earlier is why are our Democrat colleagues so determined to flood our country with millions of illegal aliens and I'd like to suggest that perhaps it's because they benefit from it politically remember that
▶ 2:50:05every state is a portion congressional seats based on population not based on citizenship counting non citizens in Congressional apportionment has resulted in more seats for blue States and fewer congressional seats for red States for instance excluding noncitizens an estimated California excuse me would have an estimated three fewer congressional seats in Ohio Pennsylvania and West Virginia
▶ 2:50:35traditionally red States would each have an estimated one additional seat right now in a political environment where Republicans have a two seat majority in the House of Representatives the presence of millions of illegal aliens in America could quite literally change the balance of power in country but the problem doesn't stop at Congressional apportionment the ultimate goal of mass illegal IM immigration is mass amnesty
▶ 2:51:05and citizenship for illegal aliens which of course means ultimately allowing them to vote and that's not a conspiracy theory either Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer himself said it just two years years ago and I'm quoting him our ultimate goal is to help the dreamers but get a path to citizenship for all El all 11 excuse me million or however many undocumented there are here that is their words not mine
▶ 2:51:35and it appears that for the past four years providing a path to citizenship for illegal aliens is precisely what the Biden Administration has been doing uh Miss Von thanks for being here can you explain how through various programs the Biden Administration either via lack enforcement or or through facilitating abuse has provided a path to uh to citizenship for illegal aliens uh well the main way that that has occurred at least the most
▶ 2:52:05significant um are these programs that allow people who have made it into the country to obtain a status and a work permit um some of which do um put them on the path to getting a green card for example there's the opt program which allows um either uh foreign Nationals who've attended US schools or who've um enrolled in one of these um bogus strip mall schools
▶ 2:52:36um that enables them to get a work permit through the opt program that is meant to be for many of them a bridge to another more permanent guest worker program such as H1B um because once they get the H1B then they can continue to extend that um there are also programs like the U and the T visas which start with a work permit and um eventually once they're adjudicated without much review allow them to receive a green card
▶ 2:53:06which is a path to citizenship um there are others including um temporary protected status which are like um a de facto permanent status at this point because they're never rescinded this is um and these are not small we're talking about probably about 2 million people who are in these kind of Quasi legal programs that get to stay here and be considered constituents so so two million people who have a path to citizenship right now
▶ 2:53:37this isn't a theoretical or a hypothetical problem this is happening right now that the political party that has nothing to offer voters but inflation censorship transgenderism is weaponizing mass illegal immigration to their own political benefit and with that I yield thank you thank you the gentleman's time has expired um and I'll yield myself five minutes for questions um I I think we've come to uh an agreement on at least one point and that is that our immigration laws
▶ 2:54:07are broken uh the Democrats think they're broken because they don't stop presidents like Trump from securing our borders the Republicans think they're broken because they don't stop presidents like Biden from opening our borders I think the most Illuminating testimony that we've had today came from the Democrats witness who opined that uh the enforcement of our immigration laws was vastly better under Biden than it uh than it is under Trump that is a difference of opinion
▶ 2:54:38that we periodically resolve through our elections and from the last election it is very clear that the American people agree with us and they have given us the responsibility uh and the authority to change these laws so that they can never again be evaded and mocked by a future Administration um Miss vaugh I want to begin with the abuse of our Asylum process which I think is is one of the biggest problems that we Face we all know
▶ 2:55:08the vast majority of Asylum claims turn out to be bogus but under the Biden Administration just making that claim got you immediate admittance into our country a lot of free stuff uh you were assured that your claim wouldn't be heard for many years and once it was rejected and you were ordered by a court deported that order wouldn't be enforced obviously remain in Mexico took a lot of the incentive out of making these false claims and um and of course one of President Trump's first orders reinstates
▶ 2:55:38that policy but it seems to me we need to uh assure the permanence of that policy and we also need to be clear that Asylum is reserved for those who've been singled out by their own government for persecution because of their religion race or or political views and under international law once you have crossed that International that first international border you've now separated yourself from that government you have the right to apply for asylum in that country that you first crossed into you do not have the right to
▶ 2:56:08pass through five other countries because you want free stuff from Americans and it also seems to me that if you break our laws to enter our country you should force fit any claim to Asylum because you've already expressed your intention to disobey our laws what do we need to do to reinstate these principles and assure that future presidents can't circumvent them well um the Asylum system is one of the biggest loopholes in our immigration law right now that's uh routinely exploited um
▶ 2:56:39and um that's why we need legislation to actually codify Provisions um to address the problems that you've mentioned for examp example um to make it clear that you must enter through a legal Port of Entry that you're not going to qualify for Asylum if you've passed through a safe third country or if you could have relocated within your own country um um we're getting a lot of people at our border now who've been firmly resettled in other countries before coming here to take advantage
▶ 2:57:09of the open border and the parole policies so are those principles missing from our current Asylum law and we need to uh place them in it or are they simply being IGN um I they are really the clarification is missing I I think that there are different ways you could interpret our law but they're not going to be effective we need hr2 closed a lot of those loopholes your your guidance on what else needs to be done to assure that this doesn't happen again that would be much appreciated uh Mr fabricator uh the the
▶ 2:57:39sanctuary policies what do those laws do exactly they don't protect American citizens they they they protect criminal aliens and and we've seen that happened in the US with the rise of Trend aragua in these Sanctuary cities well in fact it's the Immigrant Community from which they they arise that is the most victimized by them isn't it I think that that that a a family at the Rosevelt Hotel in New York is far more likely to be prayed upon by these cartels and criminal gangs than uh than somebody living in Scarsdale for example initially
▶ 2:58:09they they pray on their own sir yes so so what can we uh what can we do about these Sanctuary jurisdictions well we need to look get any kind of defunding that that that we can do and and look we we need to make sure that ice is going into these communities and they can work with local law enforcement if we're really serious about keeping American citizens safe we have to be serious about letting law enforcement work together to keep American citizens safe and that's not going to happen as long as we have these Sanctuary jurisdictions that don't allow
▶ 2:58:40local law enforcement to give information to ice Sanctuary jurisdiction in Colorado probation cannot even let ice know when somebody getss taken out of jail and put on probation so that's someone that's convicted of a crime that's going out onto the street and that probation officer cannot let ice know when they're going on probation Mr Newman my time's about to expire but I would like to ask you to put in a response um uh regarding the the TPS and parole
▶ 2:59:10abuses of the past administration and what we can do to assure that that's never done again but I I I'm now out of time so if you could if you could give that to us in writing we will pay very close attention to it uh and um with that I believe we are ready to conclude today's hearing I want to thank our Witnesses for appearing uh I think this was a very Illuminating uh uh hearing on both sides without objection all members will have five legislative days to submit additional written questions uh for the witnesses
▶ 2:59:41or additional material for the record and with that and without objection uh the hearing is adjourned