Hope on the Horizon: Prioritizing Small Business Growth in the 119th Congress

Small Business Administration OversightHouse Small Business · February 5, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Committee on Small Business held this hearing to open the 119th Congress with testimony from four small business owners on regulatory burdens, tax policy, tariffs, and access to capital facing Main Street businesses. Begins at ▶ 0:18:52
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House Small Business Committee's first 119th Congress hearing on Main Street priorities

Purpose

The House Committee on Small Business held this hearing to open the 119th Congress with testimony from four small business owners on regulatory burdens, tax policy, tariffs, and access to capital facing Main Street businesses. Chairman Williams framed the hearing around optimism for small business growth under the new administration, while Ranking Member Velázquez and Democratic members used the session to raise concerns about tariffs, immigration enforcement, DOGE's access to federal payment systems, and expiring child care and health care supports. Witnesses included a manufacturer, an oilfield fabricator, a community banker, and an ice cream company founder. Begins at▶ 0:18:52

Who spoke

• Chairman Roger Williams (R-TX)▶ 0:18:52: Opened the hearing celebrating small business optimism under President Trump's "pro-business" agenda▶ 0:20:52, later pressed Frasier on the impact of repealing CFPB's 1071 rule▶ 0:49:11 and Hutter on burdensome regulation▶ 0:52:12.

• Ranking Member Nydia Velázquez (D-NY)▶ 0:21:22: Cited 22 million new businesses started during the Biden term▶ 0:21:52 and 2.7% inflation with 3.1% GDP growth▶ 0:22:54, and introduced witness Molly Moon Neitzel▶ 0:27:58.

• Karl Hutter, CEO, Click Bond Inc.▶ 0:29:59: Said U.S. businesses face $3 trillion annually in regulatory costs▶ 0:30:29 and that the 2017 tax reform's 21% corporate rate let his firm raise wages and invest▶ 0:32:00; warned expiring tax provisions and the estate tax exemption cut could cost the U.S. nearly six million jobs and $1 trillion in GDP▶ 0:33:01.

• Bill New, President/Owner, New Industries▶ 0:35:01: Described his south Louisiana steel fabrication business serving offshore oil and gas▶ 0:35:31, said permitting delays and leasing uncertainty have caused customers to cancel projects, including one abandoned "this morning" after a five-year delay▶ 1:39:49, and noted large banks have declined to lend to his oil-and-gas-linked business▶ 1:41:20.

• Alice Frazier, President/CEO, Bank of Charles Town▶ 0:39:35: Said small business loans are almost 90% of her bank's portfolio▶ 0:40:05 and that CFPB Section 1071 would require collecting 81 data points per loan application▶ 0:49:42, urging its repeal and permanent extension of the Section 199A pass-through deduction▶ 0:44:07.

• Molly Moon Neitzel, Founder/CEO, Molly Moon's Homemade Ice Cream▶ 0:44:38: Said her company employs about 200 people across nine shops and is funded partly through SBA loans for new locations▶ 0:45:08; testified tariffs could cost her $100,000 extra on cups and containers alone and force price increases▶ 0:55:45▶ 1:08:02; described investing $1,000/month per employee's child in child care▶ 0:46:09.

• Rep. Beth Van Duyne (R-TX)▶ 0:59:22: Cited a National Association of Manufacturers estimate that letting Trump-era tax cuts lapse could cost Texas's 24th district 27,000 jobs and $2.6 billion in wages▶ 1:02:30.

• Rep. Andy Barr (R-KY)▶ 1:04:41: Linked tariff retaliation risk to Kentucky bourbon exports, noting past retaliatory tariffs cost "hundreds of millions of dollars"▶ 1:06:02.

• Rep. Troy Nehls (R-TX)▶ 1:09:33: Questioned Neitzel on egg prices and hiring practices, and defended tariffs as a tool against fentanyl trafficking▶ 1:22:11.

• Rep. LaMonica McIver (D-NJ)▶ 1:15:37: Described an ICE raid at a small business in her district resulting in three arrests and a 25–30% drop in local business▶ 1:16:07.

• Rep. Mark Alford (R-MO)▶ 1:18:39: Said federal agencies finalized regulations costing small businesses more than $1.7 trillion under President Biden▶ 1:19:09, and pressed Neitzel on immigration status of employees▶ 1:22:41.

• Rep. Luis Correa (D-CA) — wait, transcript shows "Mr. Cisneros"▶ 1:23:42: Asked about SBA small disadvantaged business contracting goals dropping to 5% under the Trump administration▶ 1:24:12.

• Rep. Brad Finstad (R-MN)▶ 1:28:44: Asked Hutter about voice in the regulatory process via the PROVE IT Act and compliance costs reaching into the millions annually▶ 1:32:16.

• Rep. Derek Tran (D-CA)▶ 1:34:17: Asked Neitzel about health care as a barrier to entrepreneurship▶ 1:34:47 and Frazier about a zero-interest "Banking on Diversity" loan program that issued $1.5 million to minority-owned businesses▶ 1:36:18.

• Rep. Troy Downing (R-MT)▶ 1:38:18: Asked New whether Gulf leasing expansion would help offshore growth▶ 1:40:19 and Hutter about ESG-related capital restrictions▶ 1:41:20.

• Rep. Johnny Olszewski (D-MD)▶ 1:42:50: Discussed workforce training partnerships with community colleges and asked Neitzel about her SBA loan experience▶ 1:46:21.

• Del. Kimberlyn King-Hinds (Northern Mariana Islands)▶ 1:47:52: Said regulatory compliance costs equate to 38% of the CNMI's GDP and 25% of business revenue▶ 1:48:53, and that the district had a 90% denial rate for SBA restaurant relief funds▶ 1:49:23.

• Rep. Herb Conaway (D-NJ)▶ 1:53:39: Cited 21 million new businesses formed under Biden▶ 1:54:09 and warned tariffs could raise rebuilding costs for California and housing costs nationally▶ 1:56:11.

• Rep. Rob Bresnahan (R-PA)▶ 1:59:14: Questioned Neitzel on fentanyl seizure figures from Canada relative to potential deaths▶ 1:59:44, and asked Frazier about risks to community banks from 1071▶ 2:00:44.

• Rep. Maggie Goodlander (D-NH)▶ 2:04:46: Asked witnesses about disruption from federal funding freezes, including child care providers' payment concerns▶ 2:06:47, and discussed antitrust/competition issues with Frazier▶ 2:08:48.

• Rep. Rob Bresnahan already listed.

• Rep. Zach Nunn — not present; correction: (none)

• Rep. Guy Reschenthaler — not present.

• Rep. Chuck Edwards — not present. (skipped; not in transcript)

• Rep. Greg Landsman — not present.

• Rep. Dan Meuser (R-PA)▶ 2:09:48: Criticized prior administration's inflation and border policy, questioned Frazier on community bank risks▶ 2:10:44 and Hutter on workforce pipeline▶ 2:04:16.

• Rep. Kelly Morrison (R-MN)▶ 2:15:53: Asked Hutter about balancing PFAS regulation with public health protection▶ 2:16:54.

• Rep. Rich McCormick — not present.

• Rep. Brian Jack (R-GA)▶ 2:19:24: Asked Hutter about TCJA incentives for manufacturing investment▶ 2:20:25 and New about accelerating permitting reform▶ 2:22:26.

• Rep. Kristen McDonald Rivet — not present.

• Rep. Hillary Scholten (D-MI)▶ 2:24:57: Asked Neitzel about the impact of the 30-day tariff pause on business planning▶ 2:25:28 and about mass deportation effects on workforce availability▶ 2:27:00.

• Rep. Tom Barrett (R-MN)▶ 2:30:01: Cited over 1,100 new regulations added under the Biden administration costing nearly $1.8 trillion▶ 2:30:32, and asked New and Hutter about permitting and mining timelines, noting the average U.S. mine takes 29 years to open▶ 2:34:05.

• Rep. Linda Sánchez (D-CA)▶ 2:35:05: Described SBA field staff facing resignation requests amid funding freezes▶ 2:36:36 and asked Neitzel about the fallout for child care and single mothers▶ 2:37:36.

Key moments

• Hutter testified U.S. businesses face $3 trillion annually in regulatory costs, disproportionately affecting small manufacturers▶ 0:30:29, and said NAM research found failing to extend manufacturing tax policies could cost nearly six million jobs and $1 trillion in GDP▶ 0:33:01.

• Frazier said Section 1071 would require her bank to collect 81 data points across 237 recent small business loans totaling $140 million, forcing reliance on AI at the expense of relationship banking▶ 0:49:42▶ 0:50:12.

• Neitzel testified proposed tariffs could cost her business $100,000 extra on paper products alone▶ 0:56:15 and that Saturday's tariff announcement on Mexico was "very chaotic" for sourcing fruit and paper products▶ 0:56:15.

• Sharp exchange between Rep. Nehls and Neitzel over fentanyl seizures: Nehls noted only 43 pounds of fentanyl were seized from Canada last year but argued the tariff threat was justified to stop trafficking▶ 1:07:16▶ 1:22:41; Neitzel called the tariffs "bullying and Chaos creation"▶ 1:59:44.

• New said a customer abandoned a five-year offshore project just that morning because permitting delays caused their export-terminal customer to withdraw▶ 1:39:49, and that large banks told him directly they could no longer lend to oil-and-gas businesses▶ 1:41:20.

• Rep. Van Duyne cited NAM estimates that non-renewal of Trump-era tax cuts could cost Texas's 24th district 27,000 jobs, $2.6 billion in wages, and $5.3 billion in GDP▶ 1:02:30.

• Rep. McIver said an ICE raid at a small business in her district led to the arrest of three employees and a 25–30% drop in local business patronage▶ 1:16:07▶ 1:16:37.

• Del. King-Hinds said regulatory compliance costs in the Northern Mariana Islands equate to 38% of the district's GDP and 25% of business revenue, and that the district had a 90% denial rate for SBA restaurant relief funds▶ 1:48:53▶ 1:49:23.

• Frazier described a "Banking on Diversity" zero-interest loan program that distributed $1.5 million to minority and early-stage businesses▶ 1:36:18.

• Rep. Sánchez reported an SBA regional staffer received a resignation request hours after helping coordinate outreach amid a federal funding freeze▶ 2:36:06.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Small Business
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateFebruary 5, 2025
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Mr. Karl Hutter — CEO, Chief Executive Officer, Click Bond, Inc.
Ms. Molly Moon Neitzel — Founder and CEO, Molly Moon's Homemade Ice Cream
Mr. Bill New — President and Owner, New Industries
Ms. Alice Frazier — President and Chief Executive Officer, Bank of Charles Town
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Transcript286 caption blocks · 23,689 words · 2:41:21 runtime
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