Combatting Existing and Emerging Illicit Drug Threats

Health Care Costs and Drug PricingHouse Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health · 2025-02-06 · 119th Congress
The House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health held this hearing to examine existing and emerging illicit drug threats — chiefly illicit fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances, xylazine, and nitazenes — ahead of a House floor vote the same day on the HALT Fentanyl Act, which would permanently schedule fentanyl-related substances as Schedule I. Begins at 0:00:00
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Title

Fentanyl, xylazine, and emerging drug threats amid federal funding freeze

Purpose

The House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health held this hearing to examine existing and emerging illicit drug threats — chiefly illicit fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances, xylazine, and nitazenes — ahead of a House floor vote the same day on the HALT Fentanyl Act, which would permanently schedule fentanyl-related substances as Schedule I. Witnesses included a family advocate whose son died of fentanyl poisoning, a sheriff, an emergency physician, an addiction-policy professor, and a pediatrician, while Democrats used much of the hearing to criticize a Trump administration federal funding freeze affecting health and law enforcement programs. Begins at0:00:00

Who spoke

Chairman Buddy Carter (R-GA)0:00:00: Cited CBP seizure of over 21,000 pounds of fentanyl at the border0:00:00 and said illicit fentanyl is the leading cause of death for adults 18-450:00:31; touted the HALT Fentanyl Act on the floor that afternoon0:01:31.

Rep. John Joyce (R-PA)0:02:32: Introduced Ray and Deb Cullen, who lost their son Zach to fentanyl poisoning0:02:32, and later returned to question witnesses on fentanyl-laced pill statistics1:52:26.

Rep. John James (R-MI)0:03:33: Introduced Sheriff Mike Bouchard, citing Oakland County seizures including 41.5 kilos of fentanyl in March 20230:04:33.

Rep. Diana DeGette (D-CO), Ranking Member0:04:33: Said fentanyl deaths fell to about 90,000 under Biden from 108,000 the prior year0:05:34; criticized the Trump administration's Medicaid funding freeze, CDC guidance removal, and DOGE/Musk access to CMS systems0:06:040:07:36.

Chairman Brett Guthrie (R-KY), Full Committee0:10:07: Said DEA seized over 390 million lethal doses of illicit fentanyl in 20230:11:07 and urged passage of the HALT Fentanyl Act and scheduling xylazine as Schedule III0:11:38.

Vice Chairman Neal Dunn (R-FL)0:12:38: Framed the hearing around making the U.S. the healthiest country and cited weak China policy as a contributing factor0:13:08; later chaired questioning, asking Sheriff Bouchard whether fentanyl deaths count as crime victims0:49:01.

Rep. Lori Trahan (D-MA)0:14:08: Entered New York Times and Wall Street Journal articles on Elon Musk's access to Treasury and CMS payment systems0:14:39; said the administration froze $6.5 billion for naloxone/treatment programs and $1.5 billion for substance-use research0:17:10.

Raymond Cullen, Family Advocate0:21:13: Described his son Zachary's death from cocaine laced with fentanyl0:21:43, said 2 milligrams of fentanyl can kill and one Sweet'N Low packet of fentanyl could kill 500 people0:24:16, and called for PSAs and awareness distinguishing poisoning from overdose0:26:16.

Sheriff Michael Bouchard, Major County Sheriffs Association0:27:48: Said nearly 100,000 Americans died of overdose in 2023 with fentanyl as primary driver0:28:18; said Oakland County has saved 827 lives since 20150:29:50 and urged passage of the HALT Fentanyl Act, HIDTA reauthorization, and pill-press regulation0:30:510:31:21.

Dr. Timothy Westlake, Emergency Physician0:32:22: Described reviving an overdose patient with Narcan days before testifying0:33:23; explained fentanyl-related substances (FRS) class scheduling and said 10 of the last overdoses he treated were pure fentanyl sold as heroin1:23:50.

Regina LaBelle, Georgetown University0:37:55: Said over 1 million Americans have died of overdose since 2000, with a 20% decrease from August 2023-20240:39:26; said her NIDA advisory council meeting was abruptly canceled with no reason given0:56:05.

Dr. Deepa Camenga, American Academy of Pediatrics0:42:58: Said AAP represents over 67,000 pediatricians and described SBIRT screening and buprenorphine treatment for adolescents0:44:59; confirmed OMB's funding freeze would have frozen the four program areas she recommended0:54:04.

Rep. Raul Ruiz (D-CA)1:03:39: Said the SAMHSA Substance Abuse Block Grant allowed 1.6 million people to access treatment1:04:09; pressed on federally qualified health center (FQHC) closures in Virginia due to the funding freeze1:05:40.

Rep. Morgan Griffith (R-VA)1:08:43: Sponsor of the HALT Fentanyl Act, disputed claims that FQHCs in his district closed1:10:14; questioned witnesses on unregulated intoxicating hemp/THC gummies harming children1:11:14.

Rep. Debbie Dingle (D-MI)1:15:15: Shared that her sister died of a drug overdose and praised her partnership with Sheriff Bouchard1:15:45; asked about Oakland County's crime lab detecting xylazine1:16:15.

Rep. Neal Dunn (R-FL)1:20:49: Asked about cartel operations along the northern border with Canada1:20:49 and submitted a Vancouver Sun article on British Columbia fentanyl exports1:21:19.

Rep. Kim Schrier (D-WA)1:24:51: Said Washington state had $155.6 million frozen1:24:51 and pressed on China's shipment of fentanyl precursors to "suspect" overseas destinations1:27:22.

Rep. Aaron Bean (R-FL)1:30:23: Touted his Combating Illicit Xylazine Act to schedule xylazine as Schedule III1:30:54; asked about pill-press regulation and social media drug sales1:35:27.

Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX)1:41:02: Called the funding-freeze discussion a distraction and argued fentanyl trafficking is "a deliberate act of poisoning"1:41:02; cited Texas's 56% drop in overdoses after enhanced penalty law and noted average federal fentanyl trafficking sentences are just over four years1:44:33.

Rep. Marc Veasey (D-TX)1:46:04: Said Trump "illegally seized $8.6 billion" in opioid funding1:48:06 and cited an FQHC closure in Virginia1:48:23, later prompting a point-of-order dispute over his remarks about Elon Musk3:17:00.

Rep. John Joyce (R-PA)1:51:24: (Second round) Cited that 7 of 10 illicit fentanyl pills tested by DEA in 2023 contained a lethal dose, up from 4 of 10 two years earlier1:52:26; asked Cullen to distinguish poisoning from overdose1:52:56.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)1:56:28: Noted the South Bronx has the second-highest per-capita overdose rate in the country1:56:58; argued mandatory minimums incarcerate low-level victims while upstream distributors, including crypto-enabled financiers, go free1:57:58.

Rep. Troy Balderson (R-OH)2:02:00: Asked about Wisconsin's provider education efforts2:02:00 and cited Ohio's 39.2 opioid deaths per 100,000, twice the national average2:04:01.

Rep. Jake Auchincloss (D-MA)2:08:03: Discussed his bipartisan legislation to sanction Chinese fentanyl-precursor manufacturers2:09:34 and questioned the affordability gap between opioid and non-opioid pain drug copays under Part D2:11:05.

Rep. Diana Harshbarger (R-TN)2:12:35: A pharmacist, asked about multiple naloxone doses needed for xylazine-adulterated overdoses2:13:36 and HIDTA's Appalachian task force removing $51 million in drugs2:16:37.

Rep. Troy Carter (D-LA)2:17:38: Warned of renewed funding-freeze attempts, noting SAMHSA/ONDCP funds make up 60% of New Orleans's relevant budget2:19:09; asked about CDC's removal of the Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System2:21:41.

Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks (R-IA)2:23:43: Cited CDC data of 110,000+ overdose deaths in 2022 and a rise in Medicare's share of opioid prescribing from 20% to 35%2:25:14; discussed her Alternatives to PAIN Act2:26:14.

Rep. Greg Landsman (D-OH)2:29:16: Asked witnesses to name the top one or two federal investments most critical to protect, citing Cincinnati's Addiction Services Council2:30:18.

Rep. John James (R-MI)2:34:50: (Second round) Cited 2,931 Michigan overdose deaths in one year, more than U.S. deaths in 20 years in Afghanistan2:35:20; recognized Christine Zabo for saving a life on a Detroit street2:39:22.

Rep. Robin Kelly (D-IL)2:39:52: Noted substance use disorder is 32% of Illinois's pregnancy-related deaths2:40:53; asked about the maternal opioid misuse (MOM) Medicaid model2:41:24.

Rep. Andy Kim (D-NJ)2:44:26: Asked about xylazine wound treatment awareness2:44:56 and highlighted Morris County's "Hope One" outreach vehicle, which used 177 Narcan kits2:46:27.

Rep. Cliff Bentz (R-OR)2:55:19: Cited Oregon Measure 110 data showing overdose deaths rose 75% from 2020-2022 versus 18% nationally2:55:49; asked whether sanctuary-state policy hampers drug enforcement2:59:20.

Rep. Julia Brownley (D-CA)3:00:50: Followed up on FQHC funding freezes in Rep. Griffith's district3:00:50; questioned whether weakening cartels should include stopping U.S. gun trafficking into Mexico3:04:23.

Rep. Max Miller (R-OH)3:06:24: Criticized "throwing money" at the problem, citing Ohio's $44 billion Medicaid expansion budget3:06:54; described a 30,000-lethal-dose fentanyl seizure in his district3:07:24.

Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY)3:11:57: Asked about a Biden FDA rule regulating lab-developed tests and its effect on innovation in fentanyl detection3:12:58; pressed on standardizing fentanyl screening in ERs3:15:29.

Rep. Kat Cammack (R-FL)3:17:00: Raised a point of order to have Rep. Veasey's remarks about Elon Musk and ONDCP's website "taken down"3:17:00; the chair ruled the point of order untimely under committee rules3:19:32.

Rep. Kathy Castor (R/D-FL)3:20:02: (Following Cammack) Discussed opioid poisoning as an "open borders" consequence and asked Sheriff Bouchard about detection technology for emerging drug analogues3:22:03.

Rep. Paul Tonko (D-NY)3:25:35: Highlighted his re-entry legislation allowing pre-release Medicaid treatment up to 30 days before incarceration ends3:27:05; asked about Oakland County Jail's medication-assisted treatment program3:29:06.

Rep. Eugene Vindman (D-VA)3:30:07: Cited 2,400 Virginia overdose deaths per year and criticized the funding freeze's effect on FQHCs, noting Capital Area Health Network closures in Richmond3:32:08.

Key moments

Sheriff Bouchard testified his agency has successfully prosecuted fentanyl suppliers for murder when a supplied dose caused death0:49:32.

Ray Cullen stated the coroner found more fentanyl than cocaine in his son Zachary's system, arguing it was poisoning, not an accidental overdose, and that he believes his son "was murdered"0:23:451:53:26.

Dr. Westlake testified illicit fentanyl "is more deadly than sarin nerve gas" in required lethal dose1:55:27.

Rep. DeGette had Dr. Camenga and Regina LaBelle confirm on the record that the OMB funding freeze would have frozen naloxone, treatment, and research programs discussed in their testimony0:54:04.

LaBelle disclosed her NIDA National Advisory Council meeting was canceled by 8 a.m. email with no reason given and no rescheduling date0:56:050:56:35, delaying research grant disbursements.

Rep. Crenshaw cited Texas's 56% drop in overdoses after a state law enabling murder charges for fentanyl distribution, and noted the average federal fentanyl trafficking sentence is just over four years — "less than some people get for robbery"1:44:331:45:03.

Sheriff Bouchard said cartels can currently ship xylazine directly to U.S. consumers from China by mail with no federal scheduling barrier2:49:29.

A sharp partisan exchange over Rep. Veasey's statement that "Elon" wiped ONDCP's website: Rep. Cammack moved to have the words taken down as personally abusive toward the president, DeGette called the motion untimely and factually moot since Musk is not president, and the chair ruled the point of order procedurally out of order3:17:003:18:313:19:01.

Multiple Democratic members (Ruiz, Vindman, Brownley) said federally qualified health centers in Virginia had closed or lost access to funding due to the Trump administration freeze, while Rep. Griffith disputed that any centers in his district had actually closed1:10:143:00:503:30:37.

Rep. Auchincloss and LaBelle discussed a new non-opioid pain drug (Part D copay ~$50 vs. ~$2 for opioids), with LaBelle stating pharmacy benefit managers have "profited off the overprescription of these opioids"2:11:052:12:05.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
Date2025-02-06
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Sheriff Michael Bouchard — Vice President of Government Affairs, Major County Sheriffs Association
Dr. Timothy Westlake, MD, FFSMB, FACEP — Emergency Medicine Physician, ProHealth Care Oconomowoc Memorial Hospital
Dr. Deepa Camenga, MD, MHS, FAAP — Chair, Committee on Substance Use and Prevention, American Academy of Pediatrics
Mr. Raymond Cullen — Family Advocate
Ms. Regina LaBelle, JD — Professor and Director Master of Science in Addiction Policy and Practice,, Georgetown University
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