Combatting Existing and Emerging Illicit Drug Threats

Health Care Costs and Drug PricingHouse Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health · February 6, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health held this hearing to examine existing and emerging illicit drug threats — chiefly illicit fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances, xylazine, and nitazenes — ahead of a House floor vote the same day on the HALT Fentanyl Act, which would permanently schedule fentanyl-related substances as Schedule I. Begins at ▶ 0:00:00
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Fentanyl, xylazine, and emerging drug threats amid federal funding freeze

Purpose

The House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health held this hearing to examine existing and emerging illicit drug threats — chiefly illicit fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances, xylazine, and nitazenes — ahead of a House floor vote the same day on the HALT Fentanyl Act, which would permanently schedule fentanyl-related substances as Schedule I. Witnesses included a family advocate whose son died of fentanyl poisoning, a sheriff, an emergency physician, an addiction-policy professor, and a pediatrician, while Democrats used much of the hearing to criticize a Trump administration federal funding freeze affecting health and law enforcement programs. Begins at▶ 0:00:00

Who spoke

• Chairman Buddy Carter (R-GA)▶ 0:00:00: Cited CBP seizure of over 21,000 pounds of fentanyl at the border▶ 0:00:00 and said illicit fentanyl is the leading cause of death for adults 18-45▶ 0:00:31; touted the HALT Fentanyl Act on the floor that afternoon▶ 0:01:31.

• Rep. John Joyce (R-PA)▶ 0:02:32: Introduced Ray and Deb Cullen, who lost their son Zach to fentanyl poisoning▶ 0:02:32, and later returned to question witnesses on fentanyl-laced pill statistics▶ 1:52:26.

• Rep. John James (R-MI)▶ 0:03:33: Introduced Sheriff Mike Bouchard, citing Oakland County seizures including 41.5 kilos of fentanyl in March 2023▶ 0:04:33.

• Rep. Diana DeGette (D-CO), Ranking Member▶ 0:04:33: Said fentanyl deaths fell to about 90,000 under Biden from 108,000 the prior year▶ 0:05:34; criticized the Trump administration's Medicaid funding freeze, CDC guidance removal, and DOGE/Musk access to CMS systems▶ 0:06:04▶ 0:07:36.

• Chairman Brett Guthrie (R-KY), Full Committee▶ 0:10:07: Said DEA seized over 390 million lethal doses of illicit fentanyl in 2023▶ 0:11:07 and urged passage of the HALT Fentanyl Act and scheduling xylazine as Schedule III▶ 0:11:38.

• Vice Chairman Neal Dunn (R-FL)▶ 0:12:38: Framed the hearing around making the U.S. the healthiest country and cited weak China policy as a contributing factor▶ 0:13:08; later chaired questioning, asking Sheriff Bouchard whether fentanyl deaths count as crime victims▶ 0:49:01.

• Rep. Lori Trahan (D-MA)▶ 0:14:08: Entered New York Times and Wall Street Journal articles on Elon Musk's access to Treasury and CMS payment systems▶ 0:14:39; said the administration froze $6.5 billion for naloxone/treatment programs and $1.5 billion for substance-use research▶ 0:17:10.

• Raymond Cullen, Family Advocate▶ 0:21:13: Described his son Zachary's death from cocaine laced with fentanyl▶ 0:21:43, said 2 milligrams of fentanyl can kill and one Sweet'N Low packet of fentanyl could kill 500 people▶ 0:24:16, and called for PSAs and awareness distinguishing poisoning from overdose▶ 0:26:16.

• Sheriff Michael Bouchard, Major County Sheriffs Association▶ 0:27:48: Said nearly 100,000 Americans died of overdose in 2023 with fentanyl as primary driver▶ 0:28:18; said Oakland County has saved 827 lives since 2015▶ 0:29:50 and urged passage of the HALT Fentanyl Act, HIDTA reauthorization, and pill-press regulation▶ 0:30:51▶ 0:31:21.

• Dr. Timothy Westlake, Emergency Physician▶ 0:32:22: Described reviving an overdose patient with Narcan days before testifying▶ 0:33:23; explained fentanyl-related substances (FRS) class scheduling and said 10 of the last overdoses he treated were pure fentanyl sold as heroin▶ 1:23:50.

• Regina LaBelle, Georgetown University▶ 0:37:55: Said over 1 million Americans have died of overdose since 2000, with a 20% decrease from August 2023-2024▶ 0:39:26; said her NIDA advisory council meeting was abruptly canceled with no reason given▶ 0:56:05.

• Dr. Deepa Camenga, American Academy of Pediatrics▶ 0:42:58: Said AAP represents over 67,000 pediatricians and described SBIRT screening and buprenorphine treatment for adolescents▶ 0:44:59; confirmed OMB's funding freeze would have frozen the four program areas she recommended▶ 0:54:04.

• Rep. Raul Ruiz (D-CA)▶ 1:03:39: Said the SAMHSA Substance Abuse Block Grant allowed 1.6 million people to access treatment▶ 1:04:09; pressed on federally qualified health center (FQHC) closures in Virginia due to the funding freeze▶ 1:05:40.

• Rep. Morgan Griffith (R-VA)▶ 1:08:43: Sponsor of the HALT Fentanyl Act, disputed claims that FQHCs in his district closed▶ 1:10:14; questioned witnesses on unregulated intoxicating hemp/THC gummies harming children▶ 1:11:14.

• Rep. Debbie Dingle (D-MI)▶ 1:15:15: Shared that her sister died of a drug overdose and praised her partnership with Sheriff Bouchard▶ 1:15:45; asked about Oakland County's crime lab detecting xylazine▶ 1:16:15.

• Rep. Neal Dunn (R-FL)▶ 1:20:49: Asked about cartel operations along the northern border with Canada▶ 1:20:49 and submitted a Vancouver Sun article on British Columbia fentanyl exports▶ 1:21:19.

• Rep. Kim Schrier (D-WA)▶ 1:24:51: Said Washington state had $155.6 million frozen▶ 1:24:51 and pressed on China's shipment of fentanyl precursors to "suspect" overseas destinations▶ 1:27:22.

• Rep. Aaron Bean (R-FL)▶ 1:30:23: Touted his Combating Illicit Xylazine Act to schedule xylazine as Schedule III▶ 1:30:54; asked about pill-press regulation and social media drug sales▶ 1:35:27.

• Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX)▶ 1:41:02: Called the funding-freeze discussion a distraction and argued fentanyl trafficking is "a deliberate act of poisoning"▶ 1:41:02; cited Texas's 56% drop in overdoses after enhanced penalty law and noted average federal fentanyl trafficking sentences are just over four years▶ 1:44:33.

• Rep. Marc Veasey (D-TX)▶ 1:46:04: Said Trump "illegally seized $8.6 billion" in opioid funding▶ 1:48:06 and cited an FQHC closure in Virginia▶ 1:48:23, later prompting a point-of-order dispute over his remarks about Elon Musk▶ 3:17:00.

• Rep. John Joyce (R-PA)▶ 1:51:24: (Second round) Cited that 7 of 10 illicit fentanyl pills tested by DEA in 2023 contained a lethal dose, up from 4 of 10 two years earlier▶ 1:52:26; asked Cullen to distinguish poisoning from overdose▶ 1:52:56.

• Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)▶ 1:56:28: Noted the South Bronx has the second-highest per-capita overdose rate in the country▶ 1:56:58; argued mandatory minimums incarcerate low-level victims while upstream distributors, including crypto-enabled financiers, go free▶ 1:57:58.

• Rep. Troy Balderson (R-OH)▶ 2:02:00: Asked about Wisconsin's provider education efforts▶ 2:02:00 and cited Ohio's 39.2 opioid deaths per 100,000, twice the national average▶ 2:04:01.

• Rep. Jake Auchincloss (D-MA)▶ 2:08:03: Discussed his bipartisan legislation to sanction Chinese fentanyl-precursor manufacturers▶ 2:09:34 and questioned the affordability gap between opioid and non-opioid pain drug copays under Part D▶ 2:11:05.

• Rep. Diana Harshbarger (R-TN)▶ 2:12:35: A pharmacist, asked about multiple naloxone doses needed for xylazine-adulterated overdoses▶ 2:13:36 and HIDTA's Appalachian task force removing $51 million in drugs▶ 2:16:37.

• Rep. Troy Carter (D-LA)▶ 2:17:38: Warned of renewed funding-freeze attempts, noting SAMHSA/ONDCP funds make up 60% of New Orleans's relevant budget▶ 2:19:09; asked about CDC's removal of the Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System▶ 2:21:41.

• Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks (R-IA)▶ 2:23:43: Cited CDC data of 110,000+ overdose deaths in 2022 and a rise in Medicare's share of opioid prescribing from 20% to 35%▶ 2:25:14; discussed her Alternatives to PAIN Act▶ 2:26:14.

• Rep. Greg Landsman (D-OH)▶ 2:29:16: Asked witnesses to name the top one or two federal investments most critical to protect, citing Cincinnati's Addiction Services Council▶ 2:30:18.

• Rep. John James (R-MI)▶ 2:34:50: (Second round) Cited 2,931 Michigan overdose deaths in one year, more than U.S. deaths in 20 years in Afghanistan▶ 2:35:20; recognized Christine Zabo for saving a life on a Detroit street▶ 2:39:22.

• Rep. Robin Kelly (D-IL)▶ 2:39:52: Noted substance use disorder is 32% of Illinois's pregnancy-related deaths▶ 2:40:53; asked about the maternal opioid misuse (MOM) Medicaid model▶ 2:41:24.

• Rep. Andy Kim (D-NJ)▶ 2:44:26: Asked about xylazine wound treatment awareness▶ 2:44:56 and highlighted Morris County's "Hope One" outreach vehicle, which used 177 Narcan kits▶ 2:46:27.

• Rep. Cliff Bentz (R-OR)▶ 2:55:19: Cited Oregon Measure 110 data showing overdose deaths rose 75% from 2020-2022 versus 18% nationally▶ 2:55:49; asked whether sanctuary-state policy hampers drug enforcement▶ 2:59:20.

• Rep. Julia Brownley (D-CA)▶ 3:00:50: Followed up on FQHC funding freezes in Rep. Griffith's district▶ 3:00:50; questioned whether weakening cartels should include stopping U.S. gun trafficking into Mexico▶ 3:04:23.

• Rep. Max Miller (R-OH)▶ 3:06:24: Criticized "throwing money" at the problem, citing Ohio's $44 billion Medicaid expansion budget▶ 3:06:54; described a 30,000-lethal-dose fentanyl seizure in his district▶ 3:07:24.

• Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY)▶ 3:11:57: Asked about a Biden FDA rule regulating lab-developed tests and its effect on innovation in fentanyl detection▶ 3:12:58; pressed on standardizing fentanyl screening in ERs▶ 3:15:29.

• Rep. Kat Cammack (R-FL)▶ 3:17:00: Raised a point of order to have Rep. Veasey's remarks about Elon Musk and ONDCP's website "taken down"▶ 3:17:00; the chair ruled the point of order untimely under committee rules▶ 3:19:32.

• Rep. Kathy Castor (R/D-FL)▶ 3:20:02: (Following Cammack) Discussed opioid poisoning as an "open borders" consequence and asked Sheriff Bouchard about detection technology for emerging drug analogues▶ 3:22:03.

• Rep. Paul Tonko (D-NY)▶ 3:25:35: Highlighted his re-entry legislation allowing pre-release Medicaid treatment up to 30 days before incarceration ends▶ 3:27:05; asked about Oakland County Jail's medication-assisted treatment program▶ 3:29:06.

• Rep. Eugene Vindman (D-VA)▶ 3:30:07: Cited 2,400 Virginia overdose deaths per year and criticized the funding freeze's effect on FQHCs, noting Capital Area Health Network closures in Richmond▶ 3:32:08.

Key moments

• Sheriff Bouchard testified his agency has successfully prosecuted fentanyl suppliers for murder when a supplied dose caused death▶ 0:49:32.

• Ray Cullen stated the coroner found more fentanyl than cocaine in his son Zachary's system, arguing it was poisoning, not an accidental overdose, and that he believes his son "was murdered"▶ 0:23:45▶ 1:53:26.

• Dr. Westlake testified illicit fentanyl "is more deadly than sarin nerve gas" in required lethal dose▶ 1:55:27.

• Rep. DeGette had Dr. Camenga and Regina LaBelle confirm on the record that the OMB funding freeze would have frozen naloxone, treatment, and research programs discussed in their testimony▶ 0:54:04.

• LaBelle disclosed her NIDA National Advisory Council meeting was canceled by 8 a.m. email with no reason given and no rescheduling date▶ 0:56:05▶ 0:56:35, delaying research grant disbursements.

• Rep. Crenshaw cited Texas's 56% drop in overdoses after a state law enabling murder charges for fentanyl distribution, and noted the average federal fentanyl trafficking sentence is just over four years — "less than some people get for robbery"▶ 1:44:33▶ 1:45:03.

• Sheriff Bouchard said cartels can currently ship xylazine directly to U.S. consumers from China by mail with no federal scheduling barrier▶ 2:49:29.

• A sharp partisan exchange over Rep. Veasey's statement that "Elon" wiped ONDCP's website: Rep. Cammack moved to have the words taken down as personally abusive toward the president, DeGette called the motion untimely and factually moot since Musk is not president, and the chair ruled the point of order procedurally out of order▶ 3:17:00▶ 3:18:31▶ 3:19:01.

• Multiple Democratic members (Ruiz, Vindman, Brownley) said federally qualified health centers in Virginia had closed or lost access to funding due to the Trump administration freeze, while Rep. Griffith disputed that any centers in his district had actually closed▶ 1:10:14▶ 3:00:50▶ 3:30:37.

• Rep. Auchincloss and LaBelle discussed a new non-opioid pain drug (Part D copay ~$50 vs. ~$2 for opioids), with LaBelle stating pharmacy benefit managers have "profited off the overprescription of these opioids"▶ 2:11:05▶ 2:12:05.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Health
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateFebruary 6, 2025
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Sheriff Michael Bouchard — Vice President of Government Affairs, Major County Sheriffs Association
Dr. Timothy Westlake, MD, FFSMB, FACEP — Emergency Medicine Physician, ProHealth Care Oconomowoc Memorial Hospital
Dr. Deepa Camenga, MD, MHS, FAAP — Chair, Committee on Substance Use and Prevention, American Academy of Pediatrics
Mr. Raymond Cullen — Family Advocate
Ms. Regina LaBelle, JD — Professor and Director Master of Science in Addiction Policy and Practice,, Georgetown University
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