Modernizing American Health Care: Creating Healthy Options and Better Incentives

Health Care Costs and Drug PricingHouse Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health · February 11, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health held this hearing to examine tools for preventing and managing chronic disease — employer wellness incentives, health savings accounts, multi-cancer early detection screening, and direct primary care — while hearing from witnesses in insurance, oncology, small-business benefits consulting, and health-policy advocacy. Begins at ▶ 0:22:46
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Chronic Disease Prevention, Wellness Incentives, and Coverage Cuts Debate

Purpose

The House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health held this hearing to examine tools for preventing and managing chronic disease — employer wellness incentives, health savings accounts, multi-cancer early detection screening, and direct primary care — while hearing from witnesses in insurance, oncology, small-business benefits consulting, and health-policy advocacy. Chairman Vern Buchanan (R-FL) framed the hearing around the cost of chronic disease, while Ranking Member Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) and other Democrats used the hearing to warn about proposed Medicaid cuts, NIH funding reductions, and the expiration of ACA enhanced premium tax credits. Begins at▶ 0:22:46

Who spoke

• Chairman Vern Buchanan (R-FL)▶ 0:22:46: Opened citing chronic disease costing Florida $3 trillion from 2016-2030▶ 0:23:17, noted 72% of employers saw reduced health costs after wellness programs▶ 0:24:48, and cited a joint economic committee finding that obesity could cost the federal government $4.1 trillion over 10 years▶ 0:25:48; later questioned Tingle on Vitality's productivity impact▶ 0:54:08 and Carlson on lung-cancer screening barriers▶ 0:57:40.

• Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX), Ranking Member▶ 0:26:49: Argued the administration is pursuing cuts to pay for tax breaks while threatening research funding and public health data▶ 0:27:19; later detailed Texas's high uninsured rate, Medicaid's role for Austin children's hospital births, and a $300 million NIH funding loss projected for Texas▶ 0:59:41▶ 1:03:43.

• Brooks Tingle, CEO, John Hancock▶ 0:32:52: Described the Vitality program that rewards healthy behavior with premium discounts, run for 10 years▶ 0:33:53; said the company partnered with Grail's multi-cancer test in 2022▶ 0:35:25 and does not receive customer test data to avoid a "chilling effect"▶ 2:13:57.

• Dr. Jay Carlson, Mercy Clinical Research▶ 0:37:56: Described Mercy's Center for Precision Medicine and hereditary cancer screening reaching over 12,000 patient referrals▶ 0:42:00; reported 27 positive Grail MCED signals identifying 22 cancers, only 7 of which had traditional screening options▶ 2:10:55, and about four false positives with free follow-up retesting▶ 2:11:56.

• Marcie Strouse, Capitol Benefits/NFIB▶ 0:43:30: Said small companies pay nearly twice as much for health coverage as large firms, with family premiums up 85% in eight years in her county▶ 0:45:02; advocated expanding HSA eligibility and allowing HSA funds for direct primary care memberships▶ 1:56:19.

• Leslie Dach, Protect Our Care▶ 0:48:34: Warned proposed cuts would remove over $2 trillion from Medicaid, affecting 72 million people including 6 in 10 nursing home residents▶ 0:50:36; said letting ACA premium tax credits expire would raise premiums an average 90% for 20 million people and cause 5 million to lose coverage▶ 0:51:36; said Texas would lose $300 million in NIH funding under proposed cuts▶ 1:03:43.

• Rep. Adrian Smith (R-NE)▶ 1:05:44: Argued the ACA delivered little despite promises and shifted costs▶ 1:05:44; questioned Strouse on HSA-qualified plan availability for small employers▶ 1:07:45.

• Rep. Mike Thompson (D-CA)▶ 1:10:48: Cited proposed $4 billion annual NIH funding cuts and described UC Davis research on autism, cancer, and Alzheimer's▶ 1:11:49; asked Dach how NIH and Medicaid cuts would affect patient care▶ 1:13:50.

• Rep. Kevin Hern (R-OK)▶ 1:14:51: Noted President Trump said he would not cut Medicare/Medicaid benefits▶ 1:14:51; cited ICHRA adoption growth of 29% between 2023-2024▶ 1:16:52 and questioned Strouse on ICHRA regulatory barriers▶ 1:17:53.

• A Southern California Democratic member▶ 1:20:25: Raised concerns about Musk's access to health data, Medicaid work-requirement proposals, and federal funding freezes affecting community health centers▶ 1:20:55; cited $4 billion in NIH cuts and diabetes affecting 38 million Americans▶ 1:21:25, and led a letter demanding restoration of removed women's health websites▶ 1:24:27.

• Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA)▶ 1:25:58: Cited six in ten Americans with a chronic disease and touted the bipartisan FIT Act and HOPE Accounts Act▶ 1:26:00▶ 1:28:32; asked Carlson about the value of earlier cancer diagnosis▶ 1:28:32.

• Rep. Dwight Evans (D-PA)▶ 1:32:04: Recalled his first job at Philadelphia's Rolling Hill hospital▶ 1:32:04; asked Dach what out-of-pocket costs would rise if the ACA/IRA were repealed, noting the IRA's $2,000 senior drug cap▶ 1:33:35.

• Rep. Carol Miller (R-WV)▶ 1:35:06: Said 1.2 million West Virginians have a chronic disease costing the state over $10 billion annually▶ 1:35:36; described co-chairing the Congressional Kidney Caucus and noted ESRD is 1% of Medicare beneficiaries but 7% of Medicare spending▶ 1:36:36; asked Carlson about early screening for chronic kidney disease and rural cancer disparities▶ 1:37:37▶ 1:39:39.

• Rep. Danny Davis (D-IL)▶ 1:41:10: Argued research cuts would make Americans sicker▶ 1:41:10; said the University of Illinois would lose $67 million from proposed indirect-cost cuts▶ 1:43:12 and that 97% of foster children rely on Medicaid▶ 1:43:42.

• Dr. Greg Murphy (R-NC)▶ 1:46:13: Argued family and educational factors drive chronic disease and criticized NIH accountability at specific universities▶ 1:47:14; pressed Carlson on balancing new genetic testing technology against limited healthcare funding▶ 1:49:16.

• Rep. Claudia Tenney (R-NY)▶ 1:51:47: Said upstate New York small businesses face healthcare cost increases far above the 129% national 20-year average▶ 1:52:47; questioned Strouse on ICHRA/HSA expansion and direct primary care▶ 1:55:19.

• Rep. Steven Horsford (D-NV)▶ 1:57:50: Said enhanced premium tax credits lowered his district's average marketplace premium from $514 to $145 per month▶ 1:59:20; asked Dach about the impact of letting the APTC expire, citing a 165% premium increase for a $31,000 earner▶ 2:00:50▶ 2:01:21.

• Rep. Blake Moore (R-UT)▶ 2:03:22: Highlighted his HOPE Act for tax-advantaged health savings accounts▶ 2:03:52; asked Strouse about HSAs for lower-income individuals▶ 2:04:22 and Carlson about diagnostic labs and Mercy's AI screening model▶ 2:07:24.

• Rep. David Kustoff (R-TN)▶ 2:08:54: Asked Carlson about Mercy's experience with Grail's MCED test, including 3,000 physician referrals and false-positive handling▶ 2:09:55; asked Tingle whether John Hancock accesses customer test data▶ 2:12:57.

• Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-CA)▶ 2:14:58: Cited $4 billion in NIH cuts announced February 7, with California losing over $800 million and Missouri $131 million▶ 2:15:28; listed Medicaid proposals including per-capita caps ($900 billion cut), work requirements ($100 billion cut), and provider tax limits ($175 billion cut)▶ 2:16:29.

• Rep. Aaron Bean (R-FL)▶ 2:20:02: Contrasted 1970s health spending ($74 billion, 12% chronic disease) with today's $4.5 trillion and 42% with two or more chronic diseases▶ 2:20:32; questioned Strouse on HSA expansion and Tingle on obstacles to prevention screening▶ 2:22:03▶ 2:24:34.

• Rep. Don Beyer (D-VA)▶ 2:25:34: Criticized RFK Jr.'s record on vaccines and NIH funding freezes affecting Virginia Tech▶ 2:26:35▶ 2:27:05; asked Dach repeatedly whether the administration's actions on NIH, Medicaid, and the ACA "create healthy options"▶ 2:29:06▶ 2:29:37.

• Rep. Terri Sewell (D-AL)▶ 2:30:07: Described her mother's death eight weeks after a pancreatic cancer diagnosis and her bill, HR 842, to cover multi-cancer early detection screening under Medicare starting at age 65▶ 2:32:39; asked Carlson about barriers to Medicare coverage for MCED tests▶ 2:34:40.

Key moments

• Dach said proposed reconciliation cuts would remove over $2 trillion from Medicaid, affecting 72 million people including 6 in 10 nursing home residents, and that letting ACA premium tax credits expire would raise premiums an average 90% for over 20 million people, causing 5 million to lose coverage entirely▶ 0:50:36▶ 0:51:36.

• Doggett said Governor Abbott's administration denied over 2 million Texans access to a family physician through administrative errors, and that Texas would lose $300 million in NIH funding under the proposed cuts▶ 0:59:41▶ 1:03:43.

• Carlson reported Mercy's use of Grail's multi-cancer early detection test produced 27 positive signals identifying 22 cancers, only 7 of which had existing traditional screening tests, with about four false positives followed by free retesting▶ 2:10:55▶ 2:11:56.

• Sewell described her mother's death from pancreatic cancer eight weeks after diagnosis at age 82, motivating HR 842 (named after her mother) to cover multi-cancer early detection tests under Medicare starting at 65, which drew over 300 co-sponsors last Congress▶ 2:32:39▶ 2:33:40.

• Sanchez cited state-by-state NIH funding-cut impacts: California over $800 million, Missouri $131 million, Texas over $300 million▶ 2:15:28.

• Horsford said enhanced premium tax credits lowered average marketplace premiums in his district from $514 to $145 per month, and that expiration would cause a 165% premium increase for a $31,000 earner▶ 1:59:20▶ 2:00:50.

• Strouse said family premiums in the small-group market in her home county rose 85% over eight years, and small-business participation in offering coverage fell from nearly 50% to about 30% since 2014▶ 0:45:02▶ 0:45:32.

• Tingle testified John Hancock does not access customer multi-cancer test results to avoid discouraging participation, though some customers voluntarily report that the tests "saved their life"▶ 2:13:57▶ 2:14:28.

• Miller and Carlson discussed chronic kidney disease: ESRD affects only 1% of Medicare beneficiaries but accounts for 7% of Medicare spending, and about 15% of adults have chronic kidney disease▶ 1:36:36▶ 1:38:08.

• Dr. Murphy argued Medicaid contains "waste fraud and abuse," citing a hypothetical 35-year-old remaining on Medicaid for back pain, while broadly defending continued NIH research funding for legitimate science▶ 1:50:46▶ 1:47:44.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateFebruary 11, 2025
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Dr. Jay Carlson — OBGYN and Clinical Chair, Mercy Clinical Research
Marcie Strouse — Small Business Owner and Partner, Capitol Benefits
Leslie Dach — Founder and Chairman, Protect Our Care
Brooks Tingle — CEO, John Hancock Financial
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Transcript275 caption blocks · 22,303 words · 2:41:08 runtime
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