The USAID Betrayal

Benefits Fraud and Improper PaymentsHouse Foreign Affairs · 2025-02-13 · 119th Congress
The House Foreign Affairs Committee met to examine allegations of wasteful and ideologically driven USAID spending and to discuss the Trump administration's rapid pause and reorganization of the agency, undertaken alongside Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). Begins at 0:03:17
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House Foreign Affairs hearing on USAID's dismantling and alleged program abuses

Purpose

The House Foreign Affairs Committee met to examine allegations of wasteful and ideologically driven USAID spending and to discuss the Trump administration's rapid pause and reorganization of the agency, undertaken alongside Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). Republicans, led by Chairman Brian Mast, argued USAID had been captured by "woke" programming and needed dismantling and review, while Democrats, led by Ranking Member Gregory Meeks, argued the shutdown was illegal, unauthorized by Congress, and endangering lives and national security. Witnesses included former USAID Administrator Andrew Natsios, former Rep. Ted Yoho, and Heritage Foundation fellow Max Primorac. Begins at0:03:17

Who spoke

Chairman Brian Mast (R-FL)0:03:17: Opened by listing USAID grants he called indefensible — $2 million for sex-change surgeries in Guatemala, $22 million for tourism in Tunisia/Egypt, $20 million for climate consultants in Africa0:04:58 — and argued the pause is lawful under a 2024 appropriations provision letting the administration eliminate or consolidate agencies0:08:36; closed by defending Rubio's waiver process and DOGE's work4:37:59.

Ranking Member Gregory Meeks (D-NY)0:11:07: Objected that no administration officials were present to answer for the shutdown0:11:38, said Trump fired 21 inspectors general and USAID's IG one day after a critical report0:13:39, and entered that IG report into the record0:14:10, calling the hearing title accurate but describing the administration, not USAID, as the betrayer0:16:43.

Max Primorac, Heritage Foundation Senior Research Fellow0:19:44: Said Trump's shutdown reflects USAID's loss of bipartisan trust0:20:52, cited an audit finding USAID could not account for overhead on $142 billion in awards0:23:54, and said 131 African lawmakers protested PEPFAR being used to promote abortion0:22:54.

The Honorable Ted Yoho, former Rep. (R-FL)0:24:54: Described authoring the BUILD Act creating the DFC0:26:26, argued for splitting aid into hard infrastructure (DFC/MCC) and repurposed humanitarian assistance0:28:26, and said not being present cedes ground to China, Russia and Iran in Latin America0:29:58.

Andrew Natsios, former USAID Administrator0:30:28: Said he eliminated 80 programs in a month as Bush-era administrator0:31:29, defended USAID-funded tourism development in Egypt (12% of GDP)0:33:00, and later described a CIA warning that the Taliban planned to assassinate him because clinics USAID built undermined their support0:44:07.

Chairman Emeritus Michael McCaul (R-TX)0:36:18: Cited $1.5 million for LGBTQ litigation causes in Latin America0:36:32, $15 million for condoms in Afghanistan0:37:03, and $500,000 for atheism promotion in Nepal0:37:33; asked Yoho whether USAID's core mission remains worthwhile0:40:35.

Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA)0:54:43: Noted foreign aid is under 1% of the federal budget despite public perception of 25%0:54:43, criticized a new $400 million electric/armored vehicle contract0:55:43, and asked for a moment of silence for a 71-year-old Myanmar refugee, Pay Cue Lao, who died after aid was cut0:59:15.

Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ)0:48:09: Said the Biden administration's "reimagining PEPFAR" pushed abortion-related conditions into aid recipient countries0:48:39 and asked Natsios whether the administration was wrong to integrate abortion into global health policy0:49:40.

Rep. Sara Jacobs (D-CA)1:27:31: Asked whether stopping Ebola screening in Uganda makes America safer1:29:33 and pressed Natsios on whether firing USAID's IG increases waste, fraud and abuse1:32:04.

Rep. Robert Garcia / Bara (D-CA)1:16:57: Praised USAID workers and objected to a "21-year-old tech bro" making elimination decisions1:17:58, calling instead for congressional line-by-line review with Yoho's help1:18:28.

Rep. Bill Keating (D-MA)1:05:20: Submitted a letter from ~150 former officials opposing the executive orders1:06:51 and noted Russia's Duma speaker and Putin have praised the USAID cuts1:07:53.

Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA)1:10:54: Detailed $697 million in Afghanistan spending in 2024 despite Taliban control, alleging funds reach Haqqani Network-linked recipients1:13:25 and $840 million spent on Pakistani schools with "zero evidence" some were built1:15:57.

Rep. María Elvira Salazar (R-FL)1:56:50: Walked Natsios through Latin America-specific grants — a $35,000 drag-show program in Ecuador, $2 million for Guatemalan Indigenous programs, $225,000 for a "diversity recruitment event" in the Peruvian Amazon1:57:211:58:511:59:21.

Rep. Sydney Kamlager-Dove (D-CA)2:29:22: Argued the "betrayal" framing applies to farmers, veterans, faith groups and diaspora communities harmed by the freeze2:31:532:32:23.

Rep. Young Kim (R-CA)2:35:56: Cited $2.5 million for EV charging stations in Vietnam as low-value spending2:36:26 and asked what authorities State's East Asia bureau needs to counter China if USAID merges in2:37:26.

Rep. Dina Titus (D-NV)2:41:29: Compared selective program cuts to abolishing an entire agency over isolated waste, and asked Natsios about USAID's role in supporting democratic development abroad2:42:29.

Rep. Warren Davidson (R-OH)2:46:32: Cited $1.5 million for DEI in Serbia, $2 million for transgender surgeries in Guatemala, alleged funding reached Hamas via UNRWA, and referenced a 331-81 vote against a prior amendment to defund USAID2:49:34.

Rep. Gabe Amo (D-RI)2:52:06: Said USAID employees felt "on our own" during evacuations, cited a University of Rhode Island owed $300,000, and asked whether the actions make America safer2:56:08.

Rep. LaMonica McIver / Jaul area rep [described as committee member]3:04:45: Cited an IRC report showing $164 million in USAID funds reaching organizations linked to designated terrorist entities [3:07:14... corrected: see below].

Rep. Randy Fine / self-identified "representative self"3:10:17: Argued unelected compliance officers, not their small percentage, are the issue, and pressed Natsios on DEI-related grants in Albuquerque and DC3:12:213:13:52.

Rep. Mark Pocan-area member "representative olety"3:16:24: Noted IG firings require 30-day congressional notice not followed here3:16:54 and asked about education program funding losses in Africa3:19:24.

Rep. James Moylan (Guam)3:22:56: Cited USAID's positive disaster response after Japan's 2011 Fukushima earthquake and university partnerships in Guam3:23:273:23:58.

Rep. Jonathan Jackson (D-IL)3:29:02: Entered a Foreign Service employee's evacuation declaration into the record3:29:02 and pressed Primorac on his lack of coordination with DOGE despite overlapping recommendations3:29:32.

Rep. Ralph Norman-area "representative bigs" (R-SC)3:35:05: Cited $37.6 million for sex worker/transgender services in South Africa and argued domestic veteran needs should take priority3:35:053:36:36.

Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA)3:40:41: Pressed Natsios on the share of USAID spending for global health/food security ($23 billion of $38 billion) and warned depopulating the agency would create a vacuum for China3:42:123:44:43.

Rep. Andy Kim (D-NJ)3:46:13: Cited a claim that only 1 in 10 aid dollars reaches intended recipients and asked Yoho about a bipartisan forensic audit of USAID spending3:47:143:47:45.

Rep. Sarah McBride (D-DE)3:51:48: Tied USAID's bird-flu monitoring cuts to Delaware's poultry industry and egg prices, and asked Natsios about PEPFAR's design3:53:493:56:20.

Rep. Uifa'atali Amata Radewagen (R-American Samoa)3:57:21: Raised concerns about China's growing influence in the Pacific (Solomon Islands, Kiribati, Cook Islands) and USAID's role versus Interior Department in Compact of Free Association funding3:57:523:58:22.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL)4:04:25: Cited a Special Operations Command manual allegedly describing USAID coordination with military "race war" destabilization tactics, sourced to Mike Benz4:04:554:06:26.

Rep. Jim Costa (D-CA)4:14:15: Focused on oversight responsibilities of Congress versus DOGE, and asked about USAID's role in Ukraine and Armenia4:17:164:18:47.

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA)4:19:47: Argued special inspectors general for Afghanistan/Iraq were justified given high-risk spending environments and asked whether more oversight, not agency elimination, was the answer4:22:184:23:50.

Rep. Mike Lawler (R-NY)4:25:50: Cited a $3 million USAID-funded grant to "Tomorrow's Youth" linked to antisemitic content, and defended the legal basis for Rubio's 90-day pause under Section 70634:27:224:29:54.

Rep. William "Tim" McKenzie/-area member "representative McKenzie" (R-PA)4:31:55: Linked USAID migration-prevention spending in Central America to border security debates, citing a GAO finding on fraud-training gaps4:33:574:34:27.

Key moments

Chairman Mast opened with a list of USAID grants he called indefensible, including $2 million for sex-change surgeries in Guatemala, $22 million for Tunisia/Egypt tourism, $5.5 million for LGBT programs in Uganda, and $15 million for condoms to the Taliban0:04:580:05:28.

Meeks disclosed that Trump fired USAID's independent Inspector General one day after that IG issued a report finding the administration's own dismantling effort was wasting taxpayer dollars and risking national security0:13:39.

Natsios testified he received a CIA warning in 2005 that the Taliban planned to assassinate him because USAID clinics had built more goodwill than the Taliban could counter with violence0:44:07.

Natsios and Salazar sparred over accountability: Natsios stated the Ugandan drag-show and similar programs were State Department, not USAID, programs, and that political direction ultimately traces to the White House1:59:512:01:23.

Perry cited data that the U.S. spent $697 million in Afghanistan in 2024 — despite Taliban control — plus weekly cash shipments of $40–80 million, alleging funds reach groups linked to the Haqqani Network1:13:251:14:26.

Rep. Jacobs revealed that despite Musk's Oval Office claim that Ebola and HIV funding had been restored, a New York Times report found the payment system ("Phoenix") remained inaccessible, leaving funding effectively frozen1:28:321:29:03.

Natsios said 40% of USAID staff are compliance officers and that removing oversight staff increases, not decreases, the risk of waste, fraud and abuse1:31:34.

Rep. Luna and Natsios had a sharp exchange over a Special Operations Command manual Luna said showed USAID coordinating with the military on "destabilization" tactics; Natsios repeatedly called the claim "nonsense"4:06:564:08:27.

Natsios said a billion dollars a year in USAID funding to Christian NGOs (Evangelical, Catholic, Orthodox) is now frozen despite waivers, because the Phoenix payment system remains non-operational2:44:002:44:43.

Mast closed by contrasting the $1.2 million salary of an NGO CEO whose group had cited a Thai refugee's death from cut oxygen, calling it evidence of financial "grift" rather than the aid freeze itself causing the death4:41:01.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Foreign Affairs
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
Date2025-02-13
TypeHearing
Witnesses
The Honorable Ted Yoho — Former U.S. Representative, Florida’s 3rd Congressional District
The Honorable Andrew Natsios — Former Administrator, U.S. Agency for International Development
Mr. Max Primorac — Senior Research Fellow, Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom, The Heritage Foundation
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Transcript500 caption blocks · 39,175 words · 4:43:13 runtime
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