Future of FEMA: Perspectives from the Emergency Management Community

Housing Supply and Disaster RecoveryHomeland Security Subcommittee on Emergency Management and Technology · March 4, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Emergency Management and Technology held its first hearing of the 119th Congress to gather feedback from state emergency management officials, a former FEMA deputy administrator, and an emergency management association on how FEMA should be reformed, informing President Trump's newly created FEMA Review Council. Begins at ▶ 0:23:04
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State and industry perspectives on reforming FEMA's structure and mission

Purpose

The House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Emergency Management and Technology held its first hearing of the 119th Congress to gather feedback from state emergency management officials, a former FEMA deputy administrator, and an emergency management association on how FEMA should be reformed, informing President Trump's newly created FEMA Review Council. Discussion centered on FEMA's expanding mission set, waste and mismanagement, recent staff firings and grant funding freezes under the Trump administration, and proposals to shift FEMA out of the Department of Homeland Security or restructure funding as block grants. Begins at▶ 0:23:04

Who spoke

• Chairman Morgan Strong▶ 0:23:04: Opened the hearing on FEMA's expanding mission, cited $568 fatalities and disaster costs from Noaa data▶ 0:25:36, and highlighted Hurricane Helene/Milton damages of $13.9 billion▶ 0:26:08 and LA wildfire losses potentially exceeding Katrina▶ 0:26:38; cited a GAO finding of $4.8 million in duplicate/ineligible COVID-19 funeral assistance payments▶ 0:29:42 and an incident where a FEMA employee improperly told canvassers to skip homes with Trump signs▶ 0:30:12.

• Ranking Member Kennedy (D-NY)▶ 0:32:13: Criticized the Trump administration's firing of 200 FEMA employees and pressuring 800 more to resign▶ 0:33:15, and cited 47 deaths from Winter Storm Elliott in Buffalo in 2022▶ 0:35:46 as motivation for his SNOW Act to expand disaster assistance eligibility for snowstorms▶ 0:37:17; also noted frozen preparedness grants and referenced the 2022 Buffalo supermarket shooting▶ 0:39:18▶ 0:39:48.

• Jeff Smitherman, Director, Alabama EMA▶ 0:43:22: Said Alabama piloted state-managed disaster response for Hurricane Nate and argued states should lead response with FEMA reserved for catastrophic events▶ 1:05:04; supported use of the EMAC mutual aid system▶ 0:46:55 and said Alabama has not yet missed any FEMA grant payments despite the funding freeze, though review has slowed▶ 1:11:09.

• Daniel Kaniewski, Managing Director, Marsh McLennan (former FEMA Deputy Administrator)▶ 0:48:25: Argued FEMA should be positioned as the nation's "risk manager," not just an ATM reimbursing states▶ 0:49:26; said FEMA's public assistance program disincentivizes resilience while pre-disaster programs like BRIC encourage it▶ 0:52:27, and discussed wildfire insurance risk and building codes with Rep. Evans▶ 1:26:16.

• Carrie Speranza, President, IAEM-USA▶ 0:53:27: Said 6,300 personnel deployed on 290 mutual aid missions during Helene and Milton▶ 0:54:58; cited a mitigation study finding $6 saved for every $1 spent on hazard mitigation▶ 0:55:59 and urged Congress to amend the Stafford Act▶ 0:58:00.

• Timothy Manning, former FEMA Deputy Administrator▶ 0:58:31: Said FEMA is "at a Tipping Point," warning that indiscriminate firings and funding freezes are harming preparedness▶ 0:59:01; noted FEMA has 28 urban search and rescue teams whose resources haven't kept pace with deployment growth▶ 1:01:33, and said recent firing of FEMA's CFO and grants staff had a "dramatic chilling effect"▶ 1:02:03.

• Rep. Kevin Kiley/Breen (R-OK)▶ 1:14:10: Noted FEMA's share of supplemental spending grew from 1% in 1980 to 50% recently▶ 1:15:11; described being barred by FEMA debris regulations from burning brush piles on his own dozer during 2012 tornado cleanup, quadrupling disposal costs▶ 1:16:41, and cited a Sen. Coburn comparison showing a mile of road cost less and was 50% longer under state vs. federal regulation▶ 1:19:43.

• Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee/Johnson (D-TX)▶ 1:20:13: Cited over 240 deaths in the February 2021 Texas winter storm and FEMA's provision of 70,000 gallons of gasoline and 5 million liters of water▶ 1:21:13; noted $1.5 billion in FEMA assistance to 270,000 households after Hurricane Harvey▶ 1:21:44.

• Rep. Jason Evans (R-CO)▶ 1:25:16: A former Blackhawk pilot and police officer, asked Kaniewski about wildfire insurance rate impacts on electric utilities and mitigation partnerships▶ 1:26:16.

• Rep. Hernandez (D-PR)▶ 1:30:48: Noted Puerto Rico received only a fraction of tens of billions in assigned FEMA funds after Hurricane Maria▶ 1:30:48; asked about legislative fixes for fund obligation delays▶ 1:31:19 and challenges of aid delivery to non-continental jurisdictions▶ 1:32:50.

• Rep. James Moylan (R-Guam)▶ 1:36:51: Described Guam's continuing recovery from Typhoon Mawar two years later▶ 1:38:24 and asked about Jones Act waivers for disaster logistics to islands▶ 1:39:55.

• Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL)▶ 1:42:57: A former Florida State Coordinating Officer, said President Trump expedited reimbursement and raised the cost share to 90% for Florida Panhandle towns after Hurricane Michael▶ 1:44:28; stated he has a bipartisan bill with Rep. Byron Donalds and Sen. Rick Scott to remove FEMA from DHS▶ 1:47:29, and argued block-granting public assistance and housing functions would let FEMA refocus on response coordination▶ 1:48:00.

Key moments

• Chairman Strong cited LA wildfire losses projected between $250–275 billion, which would surpass Hurricane Katrina as the costliest disaster in U.S. history▶ 0:26:08.

• Ranking Member Kennedy said the Trump administration fired roughly 800 probationary NOAA employees and another 500 resigned, undermining weather forecasting▶ 0:34:15.

• Smitherman testified that in one small Alabama disaster, the cost of FEMA establishing a Joint Field Office nearly exceeded the cost of the disaster itself▶ 1:18:12.

• Rep. Breen described being forced under FEMA debris regulations to haul brush piles in a "half round" trailer rather than burn them onsite, multiplying disposal costs at least fourfold▶ 1:16:41.

• Manning warned that eliminating or drastically reducing FEMA "would be intentionally rolling back" 70 years of reform learned since the agency's 1970s creation at the request of southern governors▶ 1:00:32.

• Moskowitz stated Oklahoma and Alabama, which face frequent tornadoes, have state budgets around $12–5 billion and could not afford a major disaster without federal reimbursement▶ 1:45:59.

• Speranza cited a National Institute of Building Sciences finding that mitigation grant investments save $6 for every $1 spent▶ 0:55:59.

• Kennedy and Smitherman disagreed implicitly on funding cuts: Kennedy stressed the danger of firings and frozen grants▶ 1:09:38▶ 1:10:38, while Smitherman said Alabama had not missed payments and argued efficiency, not funding levels, was the core issue▶ 1:11:39.

• Moskowitz disclosed he is co-sponsoring legislation with Rep. Byron Donalds and Sen. Rick Scott to remove FEMA from the Department of Homeland Security▶ 1:47:29.

• Rep. Johnson said FEMA's rapid response after the 2021 Texas winter storm included 70,000 gallons of gasoline, 5 million liters of water, and power restoration for over 650,000 households▶ 1:21:13.

Metadata

CommitteeHomeland Security Subcommittee on Emergency Management and Technology
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateMarch 4, 2025
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Mr. Jeff Smitherman — Director, Alabama Emergency Management Agency, State of Alabama
The Honorable Daniel Kaniewski — Managing Director, Public Sector, Marsh McLennen
Carrie Speranza, CEM — President, U.S. Council of the International Association of Emergency Managers
The Honorable Timothy Manning — Private Citizen, Former Deputy Administrator For Protection and National Preparedness for the Federal Emergency Management Agency
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