Future of FEMA: Perspectives from the Emergency Management Community

Housing Supply and Disaster RecoveryHomeland Security Subcommittee on Emergency Management and Technology · 2025-03-04 · 119th Congress
The House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Emergency Management and Technology held its first hearing of the 119th Congress to gather feedback from state emergency management officials, a former FEMA deputy administrator, and an emergency management association on how FEMA should be reformed, informing President Trump's newly created FEMA Review Council. Begins at 0:23:04
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Title

State and industry perspectives on reforming FEMA's structure and mission

Purpose

The House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Emergency Management and Technology held its first hearing of the 119th Congress to gather feedback from state emergency management officials, a former FEMA deputy administrator, and an emergency management association on how FEMA should be reformed, informing President Trump's newly created FEMA Review Council. Discussion centered on FEMA's expanding mission set, waste and mismanagement, recent staff firings and grant funding freezes under the Trump administration, and proposals to shift FEMA out of the Department of Homeland Security or restructure funding as block grants. Begins at0:23:04

Who spoke

Chairman Morgan Strong0:23:04: Opened the hearing on FEMA's expanding mission, cited $568 fatalities and disaster costs from Noaa data0:25:36, and highlighted Hurricane Helene/Milton damages of $13.9 billion0:26:08 and LA wildfire losses potentially exceeding Katrina0:26:38; cited a GAO finding of $4.8 million in duplicate/ineligible COVID-19 funeral assistance payments0:29:42 and an incident where a FEMA employee improperly told canvassers to skip homes with Trump signs0:30:12.

Ranking Member Kennedy (D-NY)0:32:13: Criticized the Trump administration's firing of 200 FEMA employees and pressuring 800 more to resign0:33:15, and cited 47 deaths from Winter Storm Elliott in Buffalo in 20220:35:46 as motivation for his SNOW Act to expand disaster assistance eligibility for snowstorms0:37:17; also noted frozen preparedness grants and referenced the 2022 Buffalo supermarket shooting0:39:180:39:48.

Jeff Smitherman, Director, Alabama EMA0:43:22: Said Alabama piloted state-managed disaster response for Hurricane Nate and argued states should lead response with FEMA reserved for catastrophic events1:05:04; supported use of the EMAC mutual aid system0:46:55 and said Alabama has not yet missed any FEMA grant payments despite the funding freeze, though review has slowed1:11:09.

Daniel Kaniewski, Managing Director, Marsh McLennan (former FEMA Deputy Administrator)0:48:25: Argued FEMA should be positioned as the nation's "risk manager," not just an ATM reimbursing states0:49:26; said FEMA's public assistance program disincentivizes resilience while pre-disaster programs like BRIC encourage it0:52:27, and discussed wildfire insurance risk and building codes with Rep. Evans1:26:16.

Carrie Speranza, President, IAEM-USA0:53:27: Said 6,300 personnel deployed on 290 mutual aid missions during Helene and Milton0:54:58; cited a mitigation study finding $6 saved for every $1 spent on hazard mitigation0:55:59 and urged Congress to amend the Stafford Act0:58:00.

Timothy Manning, former FEMA Deputy Administrator0:58:31: Said FEMA is "at a Tipping Point," warning that indiscriminate firings and funding freezes are harming preparedness0:59:01; noted FEMA has 28 urban search and rescue teams whose resources haven't kept pace with deployment growth1:01:33, and said recent firing of FEMA's CFO and grants staff had a "dramatic chilling effect"1:02:03.

Rep. Kevin Kiley/Breen (R-OK)1:14:10: Noted FEMA's share of supplemental spending grew from 1% in 1980 to 50% recently1:15:11; described being barred by FEMA debris regulations from burning brush piles on his own dozer during 2012 tornado cleanup, quadrupling disposal costs1:16:41, and cited a Sen. Coburn comparison showing a mile of road cost less and was 50% longer under state vs. federal regulation1:19:43.

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee/Johnson (D-TX)1:20:13: Cited over 240 deaths in the February 2021 Texas winter storm and FEMA's provision of 70,000 gallons of gasoline and 5 million liters of water1:21:13; noted $1.5 billion in FEMA assistance to 270,000 households after Hurricane Harvey1:21:44.

Rep. Jason Evans (R-CO)1:25:16: A former Blackhawk pilot and police officer, asked Kaniewski about wildfire insurance rate impacts on electric utilities and mitigation partnerships1:26:16.

Rep. Hernandez (D-PR)1:30:48: Noted Puerto Rico received only a fraction of tens of billions in assigned FEMA funds after Hurricane Maria1:30:48; asked about legislative fixes for fund obligation delays1:31:19 and challenges of aid delivery to non-continental jurisdictions1:32:50.

Rep. James Moylan (R-Guam)1:36:51: Described Guam's continuing recovery from Typhoon Mawar two years later1:38:24 and asked about Jones Act waivers for disaster logistics to islands1:39:55.

Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL)1:42:57: A former Florida State Coordinating Officer, said President Trump expedited reimbursement and raised the cost share to 90% for Florida Panhandle towns after Hurricane Michael1:44:28; stated he has a bipartisan bill with Rep. Byron Donalds and Sen. Rick Scott to remove FEMA from DHS1:47:29, and argued block-granting public assistance and housing functions would let FEMA refocus on response coordination1:48:00.

Key moments

Chairman Strong cited LA wildfire losses projected between $250–275 billion, which would surpass Hurricane Katrina as the costliest disaster in U.S. history0:26:08.

Ranking Member Kennedy said the Trump administration fired roughly 800 probationary NOAA employees and another 500 resigned, undermining weather forecasting0:34:15.

Smitherman testified that in one small Alabama disaster, the cost of FEMA establishing a Joint Field Office nearly exceeded the cost of the disaster itself1:18:12.

Rep. Breen described being forced under FEMA debris regulations to haul brush piles in a "half round" trailer rather than burn them onsite, multiplying disposal costs at least fourfold1:16:41.

Manning warned that eliminating or drastically reducing FEMA "would be intentionally rolling back" 70 years of reform learned since the agency's 1970s creation at the request of southern governors1:00:32.

Moskowitz stated Oklahoma and Alabama, which face frequent tornadoes, have state budgets around $12–5 billion and could not afford a major disaster without federal reimbursement1:45:59.

Speranza cited a National Institute of Building Sciences finding that mitigation grant investments save $6 for every $1 spent0:55:59.

Kennedy and Smitherman disagreed implicitly on funding cuts: Kennedy stressed the danger of firings and frozen grants1:09:381:10:38, while Smitherman said Alabama had not missed payments and argued efficiency, not funding levels, was the core issue1:11:39.

Moskowitz disclosed he is co-sponsoring legislation with Rep. Byron Donalds and Sen. Rick Scott to remove FEMA from the Department of Homeland Security1:47:29.

Rep. Johnson said FEMA's rapid response after the 2021 Texas winter storm included 70,000 gallons of gasoline, 5 million liters of water, and power restoration for over 650,000 households1:21:13.

Metadata

CommitteeHomeland Security Subcommittee on Emergency Management and Technology
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
Date2025-03-04
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Mr. Jeff Smitherman — Director, Alabama Emergency Management Agency, State of Alabama
The Honorable Daniel Kaniewski — Managing Director, Public Sector, Marsh McLennen
Carrie Speranza, CEM — President, U.S. Council of the International Association of Emergency Managers
The Honorable Timothy Manning — Private Citizen, Former Deputy Administrator For Protection and National Preparedness for the Federal Emergency Management Agency
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