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▶ 0:29:07ladies and gentlemen welcome to the first meeting of the subcommittee on federal law enforcement under the oversight committee without objection the chair May declare a recess at any time I recognize myself for the purpose of making an opening statement as a military and civilian law enforcement officer since 1989 it's my great pleasure to chair this new subcommittee that will examine the issues related to Homeland Security Criminal Justice
▶ 0:29:38Federal Law regulatory enforcement Board of security and immigration enforcement before I continue I'd like to recognize my colleague from across the aisle ranking member summer Lee from the great state of Pennsylvania I very much appreciate her willingness to to participate in this new committee and I I look forward to working with her for the betterment of all America I'd also like to welcome our subcommittee
▶ 0:30:09members I look forward to working with each and every one of you the work of this subcommittee is essential in recent years we've seen the weaponization of our justice system lawlessness in our cities and an open border that has allowed illegal drugs and dangerous gangs into our country with deadly results throughout this Congress will tackle these issues and ensure that President Trump has all the tools and resources he needs to address rampant
▶ 0:30:39crime this subcommittee will also work to ensure our men and women in law enforcement are properly supported and the American people have a justice system that works for them not against them today we will examine the dangers posed by criminal illegal aliens especially those who belong to to cartels and how coordination between Federal immigration authorities and local law enforcement can bring criminal illegal aliens to Justice and make our
▶ 0:31:10safer during the last four years members of transnational criminal organizations were able to illegally enter and remain in our country and terrorize our cities and towns largely without consequences these gangs and cartels are respons responsible for bringing a significant amount of illegal fentol into our country resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of Americans these criminal organizations plagued our communities with
▶ 0:31:40crime violence and fear our state and local law enforcement officers were often left to deal with the previous administration's failed border policies without much assistance from federal counterparts as we heard last week some of those border policies are still being supported by Sanctuary City Mayors the previous administration effectively dismantled the 287g program leaving
▶ 0:32:10state and local law enforcement agencies who were once active participants without any training or support from ice but president Trump will not stand for that President Trump is using 287g program effectively with Sheriff galtier and the pelis County Sheriff's Office participate in to increase coordination between local law enforcement and Ice president Trump has actually expanded the 287g program
▶ 0:32:41and since then all 67 Sheriff run jails and 10 County run jails in the State of Florida have entered into an agreement with I to participate in the program this is just one example of the Swift action president Trump has taken since return into office to secure our borders to go after the cartels and gangs and most importantly to protect Americans by ensuring our nation's law enforcement agencies can work together to apprehend
▶ 0:33:11and remove criminal illegal aliens for the last four years Frontline law enforcement professionals at the local state and federal level who sworn to protect our communities and maintain our sovereignty at the southern border have been forced to endure unprecedented weakness from their own executive branch policies so misguided law enforcement witnessed with horror as longstanding traditions of constant battle against cartel
▶ 0:33:41trafficking of human beings and deadly drugs was replaced by complicit allowance of trafficking even corroborated trafficking of human beings thanks be to God and the American people those policies ended abruptly on January 20th today we're going to continue to call out the foreign gangs and violent offenders operating in our country and discover ways to enable law enforcement to bring transnational
▶ 0:34:12criminal organizations The Gangs the cartels and all criminal illegal aliens to Justice and remove them from the United States I look forward to hearing from all of our Witnesses today and learning what more can be done to ensure our borders are secure criminal illegal aliens are apprehended and removed and transnational criminal organizations are stopped in their tracks I'm honored to yield to ranking member Lee for her
▶ 0:34:43statement thank you Mr chair and thank you so much for welcoming me and our side onto this subcommittee um of course I would like to First welcome uh say Welcome to our colleague for our first uh hearing of this brand new subcommittee on federal law enforcement this is my first time as a ranking member and I'm proud to be joined by a group of bold Democrats congresswoman Ayana Presley congresswoman Latifa Simon and Congressman Wesley Bale were ready to stand up against uh Trump and his administration and hold our federal law enforcement accountable
▶ 0:35:14I think since we're talking about immigration enforcement at this hearing today we need to start with the illegal Detention of mmu khil I kipnapped this University graduate with a permanent resident green card and jailed him in the middle of the night they shipped him off to Louisiana without informing his pregnant wife or his attorney where they were taking him they intentionally isolated him from his community and his uh and his family all because he dared to speak out against his university and against the actions of the United States
▶ 0:35:44which is not a crime punishing dissent by revoking legal status is a dangerous and illegal precedent to set it's the first sign of a government moving towards authoritarianism freedom of speech expression assembly and religion are guaranteed by the First Amendment for a reason the founding fathers put it first in the Bill of Rights because of how important those rights are is at the core of the formation of this country is at the core of what it is to be an American and is at the core of any Democratic
▶ 0:36:15Society isn't disagreeing with your government the foundation on which this country was founded Trump is attacking all of these basic rights as his primary agenda he's doing everything he can to take away the ability to talk about his actions the ability to form groups to counter his goals and the ability of the press to report honestly every single member of Congress should be up and arm over this blatant erosion of our fundamental rights Republicans and some of my colleagues are simply rolling over and giving up their status under the Constitution as a co-equal branch
▶ 0:36:45of government this is a basic tenant that we took an oath to defend have we forgotten that oath we take at the start of each Congress literally two months ago I do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic they are eroding our Democratic principles to justify literally AR racing Palestinians to appease a war criminal Trump revoked mmud khalil's legal status over his choice to speak out it is not a crime to disagree with your school or your government
▶ 0:37:15a judge quickly blocked his removal because there was no legal basis it can't be overstated how dangerous this action is if they can disappear someone with legal status what is going to stop them from disappearing an American citizen who openly disagrees with Donald Trump or our government if this happened under a Democratic president Republicans would be screaming about it and given the topic of today's hearing is Donald Trump expecting local law enforcement to police the speech of immigrants if Republicans
▶ 0:37:46want local law enforcement to act as Federal immigration agents will they too be tasked with suspending the First Amendment for those who disagree monitoring their social media posts cataloging which protests they attend we are Beyond just a slippery slope president Trump himself said that this is an that this unconstitutional arrest is only the start this callous enforcement and chaotic approach to immigration enforcement is not making us any safer it is only eroding our Democratic principles I look forward to getting into what can
▶ 0:38:16make us safer the policies that we can and should promote uh in this body and in this committee and I look forward to our work not just today but throughout the rest of this Congress to get to the root cause CES of crime of just and Humane immigration reform and true accountability for our federal law enforcement so I'd like to thank our panel of witnesses for coming in today and I Y back I thank the Gent lady for yielding I'm pleased to welcome our expert panel of witnesses for today I'd first like
▶ 0:38:47to welcome pelis County Sheriff Bob galtier of Florida Sheriff galtieri was first elected in 2012 and his agency has partnered with us Immigration and Customs Enforcement as part of the 287g program since 2019 earlier this year he was appointed to Florida's new state immigration Council I'd next like to welcome Joseph humire the executive director
▶ 0:39:17for the center for secure and free Society Mr humire is a national security expert who has studied with trans Regional threats in the Western Hemisphere and very effectively has communicated his his knowledge of that uh that space that theater of of understanding is very complex we appreciate him being here additionally he speaks frequently about the emerging threats of China Russia
▶ 0:39:47and Iran as authoritarian influence in Latin America very important topic we appreciate his knowledge on that subject our fin witness today is Carrie Doyle Miss doy is a former principal legal advisor for us Immigration and Customs Enforcement Miss do has served in several immigration related legal roles during her career thank you for being here ma'am I thank each of the witnesses for being here today and we all look forward
▶ 0:40:17to your testimony uh pursuant to committee rule 9g the witnesses will please stand and raise their right hand thank you do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God I do do let the record show that the witnesses answered in the affirmative we appreciate you
▶ 0:40:47being here today all of you and we look forward to your testimony let me remind the witnesses that we've read your written statement it it will appear in full in the hearing record please limit your oral statement to 5 minutes as close as possible as a reminder and please press the button on the microphone in front of you when you speak so that it's on and members can hear you when you begin to speak the light in front of you will turn green after four minutes the light will turn yellow when the red light comes on your five
▶ 0:41:18minutes has expired we ask you try and wrap up I now recognize Sheriff Gary of Florida for his opening statement good afternoon excuse me good afternoon Mr chairman ranking member leading committee members thank you for the opportunity to be here today to discuss how our nation's illegal immigration problem impacts local law enforcement and how local law enforcement has to maximize coordination with our federal Partners to address this national security issue we all know immigration enforcement is primarily a
▶ 0:41:48federal responsibility but the problem of illegal immigration impacts everyone it's a problem for every village every town every city every County and every state in America it's a problem for a number of reasons but at the Forefront is the problem of criminal illegals those in our country illegally who wreak havoc in our communities those who victimize our citizens by pedaling their dope stealing molesting kids and killing people another big issue is the people who come here illegally a judge orders them deported they are deported and then they come back
▶ 0:42:18again illegally like the criminal illegal from Honduras who killed one of our deputies in September of 2022 that guy was twice previously deported back to uras and he came back a third time illegally through Eagle Pass Texas and killed pelis County Sheriff's deputy Michael Hartwick none of that is okay now isis's stated priorities are criminal illegals Public Safety threats National Security threats and those who have been previously deported and come back again like Deputy hartworks killer we all have
▶ 0:42:48heard some local officials who say it's a federal responsibility and that they are not helping ice apprehend these criminal illegals this is shortsighted because local law enforcement has to help ice if we are going to be successful in combating this national issue ice is strapped and does not have the resources to do it alone it's our constituents the people who elected us to keep them safe who are being victimized by these criminal illegals most jails in America they're run by sheriffs sheriffs work closly with ice now to deliver to them people who
▶ 0:43:18are booked into our jails who are clearly illegals and who have clearly committed crimes so that these people are deported and not released back into the community community to yet commit more crime we do that through Isis immigration detainer requests which are accompanied by an arrest warrant or a removal warrant during the first Trump Administration we received about 400 detainers a year in the pelis county jail alone and in the first year of the Biden Administration we got 14 we currently have about 150 people in the pelis county jail who are charged
▶ 0:43:48with crimes who are in the country illegally and for whom we have received iced detainers to give you an example of the type of people we're holding in the pelis county jail today on these ice detainers so they are not released back in the community one criminal illegal in our jails from Mexico and he's charged with possessing 20 different counts of child pornography another person is one we arrested for luden lascivious battery of a child Under 12 years old and he's here illegally from El Salvador another illegal is from Mexico who we arrested for sexual
▶ 0:44:18battery or raping a child Under 12 years old yet another illegal is from Cuba and he's charged with DUI manslaughter for killing someone while drunk dve in and then resisting arrest another person is from Honduras who raped a physically helpless person and committed numerous acts of luding lascivious molestation on a child and some say illegal immigration is only for the feds to address it's definitely a problem for local law enforcement to help address for four years under the previous administration no County Jail Personnel in Florida
▶ 0:44:48or elsewhere were trained by ice under the detainer immigration program and huge numbers of criminal illegals like these killers and child rapists were released back into our communities when President Trump took office in January ice ramped up the detainer process but 26 of four to 67 jails were unable to honor the immigration detainers because there were no ice trained and designated correction officers in our jails who could make these immigration arrests we've been working hard on this and we are close to having Personnel in all 67 County jails who can honor the detainers
▶ 0:45:19one of the problems across the country is that ice detainers in and of themselves do not have any force of Law and they have to be accompanied by a warrant and local law enforce officers are not authorized to serve these types of warrants a solution is federal legislation authorizing jails to hold criminal illegals for right solely on the immigration detainers in other words give the detainers force of law as opposed to Simply making them an Ask with no teeth this is a big deal to fix and it should be done as soon as possible because it would mean criminal illegals like the ones I mentioned
▶ 0:45:49will be deported directly from jail and not release back into the community into in the community to commit more crime another important role for state and local law enforcement is a designated immigration officer program under section 287g of the Ina this is also known as a 287g task force program the iated task forces have not existed since the Obama Administration ended them in 2012 13 years of local law enforcement not being able to help ice arrest these criminal illegals on the street has had a negative impact
▶ 0:46:19people ask why so many Americans have died over that time from fentanyl overdoses in Florida during 2022 we had 6,000 230 fental over overdose deaths it is because of that's what happens when there is a porous border illegal alien drug traffickers run a muck and a strapped immigration agency can't get help from local law enforcement to deport people pedling this poison law enforcement conducting drug trafficking investigations with our federal Partners is vital to combating illegal drug trafficking and this is where the
▶ 0:46:49high-intensity drug trafficking area or heida initiatives are crucial to reducing Fentanyl and other drug overdose deaths provides much needed funding for personal expenses equipment and undercover operations moreover the heida concept Fosters powerful collaborative relationships that lead to better successes and ultimately saves lives bed space is another major issue in Florida there are about 2,000 ice detention beds and they are full as more local Law Enforcement Officers come online with the 287g
▶ 0:47:19task force bed capacity will get worse because more arrests will be made Sheriff's look forward to working with our federal Partners to do what citiz elected us to do and that is keep them safe and we will do that I look forward to your questions thank you I'm going to recognize Mr humar for his opening statement Miss do going to be generous with your time when we get to you out of respect for my colleagues on both sides of the aisle CU like like most police
▶ 0:47:49officers the sheriff takes six minutes to give a five minute speech so so that's okay I'm with them Mr humar you recognize for five minutes for your statement sir thank you chairman uh good afternoon chairman Higgins ranking member Lee uh distinguished members of the subcommittee thank you for your leadership on this issue for holding this hearing and for inviting me to testify before you today my name is Joseph hum and I'm a national security scholar who has spent the past seven years studying a phenomenon known as weaponized
▶ 0:48:20migration for some this may be considered a conspiracy theory or perhaps a bit too alarmist but after the past four years years and seeing an unprecedent number of illegal aliens entering the United States then seeing the skyrocketing rates of fental related deaths more than 100,000 Americans poisoned each year and then you have the emergence of new and Hyper powerered gains like Venezuela's Trend de araga taking over entire apartment complexes and tragically carrying out the rape and murder of innocent Americans like Lake and Riley and Joselyn NRE we all realize that something more nefarious
▶ 0:48:50is happening inside our nation the United States is facing the worst border immigration crisis in its history since 2021 our border authorities have encountered 11 million illegal aliens in additional 2.2 million goway at another 1.5 million migrants who arrived in America through flawed immigration and humanitarian parole programs and usually have 14 million illegal aliens in America in just four years that is larger than the population of 45 US states or the equivalent equivalent of adding another state the size of Pennsylvania
▶ 0:49:20to the union or chairman 3 louisian now Mr chairman as much as we would all love to have more constitu like those from the great Bayou state in this country unfortunately the sad reality is most of these illegal aliens are not assimilating to America and in some cases even worse some of them are tied to the most notorious gangs cartels criminal organizations and terrorist groups in the world if only half a percent 05% of this emerging illegal alien population in America is tied to or affiliated with criminal and terrorist organizations then we are facing
▶ 0:49:50a crime Terror contingent inside the United States that is the size of the US Army and Marine Corps combined that is a National Security emergency if that's not a naal Security emergency I don't know what is now let me get back to weaponized migration I began this research in October 2018 when thousands of mostly Central Americans crashed the US Southwest border in a span of a few weeks I was actually in watala at the time uh for a different reason I was there training some of our partner militaries on counterterrorism and counter transnational organized crime when I got a call from
▶ 0:50:20a friend who was a senior Guatemala National Security official and asked for my help so to give you the bottom line up front what I discovered back then in Guatemala is that the Central American Caravans were planned financed organized and steered by state and non-state actors to cause chaos in Guatemala Mexico and eventually the United States how do I know this I know this because I embedded with the Central American Caravans and interviewed hundreds of migrants but more importantly saw firsthand who was behind this it was
▶ 0:50:51a series of politicized NOS from Honduras who were receiving money from us and European Charities but more important importantly we're getting guidance and direction from anti-American adversarial nation state that state is the bolivarian Republic of Venezuela who worked with a hondan NGO known as PUO Fronteras which is Spanish for people without borders who then worked with a series of noos and Charities inside America notably in California Chicago to create the Central American Caravans now this begs the question why would the Venezuelan government care
▶ 0:51:21about illegal immigration the answer is because Venezuela is a proxy of China Russia and Iran they all understand that mass migration can be employed as a weapon of aetric warfare to erode National borders steal sovereignty and eventually have the United States collapse from within remember China's whole Warfare strategy is based on submission to have America give up without fighting far from a problem of root causes derived from socio economic hardship natural disasters or high levels of insecurity which is
▶ 0:51:51abundant in all parts of the world the center gravity of the US border immigration crisis that enabled no fewer than 14 million illegal aliens to enter the United States in just four years is weaponized migration an academic concept that has empirical evidence and an abundance of political science literature behind it weaponized migration is when State and non-state actors catalyze manipulate and or induce Mass migration to achieve political and geopolitical objectives weaponized migration suggest that
▶ 0:52:21criminal illegal aliens inside the United States do not merely arrive here by accident they were sent here by America's enemies and adversaries in my written testimony I include this map of our country it's what I call a migrant Invasion Map because it shows the major hubs of where criminal organizations are spreading throughout America moving towards Sanctuary cities and combined with land purchases by the Chinese Communist Party are all here to steal the sovereignty of our country this is a national security crisis perhaps the greatest in our lifetime so again I thank you for your
▶ 0:52:51leadership I thank you for holding this important hearing and I look forward to your questions thank you sir Miss Dole you recognize for your opening statement for five generous minutes man uh thank you chairman Higgins uh ranking member Lee and members of the subcommittee I'm grateful for this opportunity to share with you my knowledge and experience regarding immigration law and to discuss the work that cities like Boston where I live have done and continue to do to make their
▶ 0:53:21cities welcoming safe and thriving I bring a unique perspective today having worked for ice and DHS and as an immigration attorney and an immigration judge I've seen immigration enforcement and advocacy through multiple administrations and angles since I became an immigration attorney in 1993 I'm here to tell you today that welcoming City policies work they work to keep residents safe and communities thriving
▶ 0:53:51I also know that if Congress was truly focused on improving the safety of our communities it would address our broken immigration system through immigration reform I graduated from Law School in '93 and went to work as an immigration lawyer in the nonprofit and private sector I've taught immigration law at suffk law school and at University of Miami law school I served as the chairman mentioned as the principal legal adviser for ice from 2021 to 2024 and in this role I oversaw the 1500 plus
▶ 0:54:21attorneys and staff of the um of opla opla is the largest legal department and DHS and its attorneys represent DHS Prosecuting cases in the nation's immigration courts every day as PL also work closely with ice leadership providing advice and counsel to both Homeland Security investigations enforcement and removal operations and Ice leadership the opinions expressed here in are my own and are not intended to reflect the views or positions of DHS opla ice or the Department of Justice
▶ 0:54:51to understand why Boston trust act works you must first understand Boston as mayor woo aptly explained more than 700,000 people currently call Boston home it's a city of immigrants approximately 28% of Boston's residents were born in a country other than the United States and Boston Public School students hail from 139 different countries and speak 88 languages as the full oversight committee heard last week Boston is the safest large city in the
▶ 0:55:21country due to its welcoming City policies and dedication to Comm community policing which those of you who come from a law enforcement background know works for many years Boston is focused on community policing it's inclusive and effective policing built on trust between City residents and the police it women who are afraid for their safety due to domestic violence to dial 911 without fear of being arrested due to their own
▶ 0:55:52status it allows Witnesses in murder cases to report what they saw appear in court to testify against the As salent and promote Justice regardless of their immigration status simply put it means a justice justice system works for everyone and the community knows and understands that welcoming ordinances and Trust Act laws do not mean that cities violate federal or state law it also does not mean that cities refuse to cooperate with ice in all circumstances rather cities regularly engage in Joint Task forces and cooperate
▶ 0:56:22in detaining immigrants with the most serious criminal charges nor the encourage violation of the law a review of Denver Chicago and Boston's policies all say unequivocally the cities will follow federal law or educate city employees about federal law Philadelphia and California's policies have been upheld by the federal courts as consistent with both federal law and the 10th Amendment the courts understand that the 10th Amendment means unequivocally that the federal government cannot force states and cities to act in their stead
▶ 0:56:52state and local governments set their own policies their own priorities regarding what crimes cause the most damage to their communities and what resources should be deployed where the 10th Amendment makes clear that these are State's rights and these are priorities the states are able to set the current administration's immigration policies directly conflict with a successful approach taken by cities like Boston to make their communities as safe as they can be to quote my mayor again a scared city is not a safe City a land ruled by fear is not the land of
▶ 0:57:22the free yet this Administration policies has promoted bridled and debilitating fear this Administration continues to lack law enforcement priorities resulting in indiscriminate arrests and detention despite the administration's promise to focus on criminal non-citizens current ice published statistics show an almost double digit increase doubling um excuse me doubling the number of immigrants without criminal convictions or criminal records arrested by Ice the number of individuals in ice custody
▶ 0:57:52without a criminal conviction is 49% virtually half of those detained the current pattern of ice arrests mirror the detention numbers recently the administration boasted of arresting almost 12200 people in one day in Chicago analysis of the records of this operation were consistent in showing that half only half of those arrested were immigrants with criminal records ice has been Deport has been directed to deport 75 people a day per field office amounting to 21 total arrests a day
▶ 0:58:23in attempting to meet this quota they have arrested United States citizens veterans and most recently a 23-year resident of the United States with an extremely ill wheelchair wheelchair bound daughter undergoing cancer treatment in the Haring video the the mother is seen crying sobbing and stating they are going to take me while the young daughter who is undergoing chemotherapy wonders what will happen to her without her primary caretaker apparently knowing that it cannot fulfill these unreasonable numbers solely by pursuing criminal non-citizens the administration
▶ 0:58:54recently announced that they would uh start a new operation to Target adults and minor children who enter the country together and have orders of deportation after the families are arrested agents will place them into detention before they are removed the separation of families appears to be driving up fear in immigrant communities who documented undocumented and United States citizens alike millions of families will be impacted and communities will be impacted by continued indiscriminate quoted driven enforcement including separation M separating mixed
▶ 0:59:24status families we can be smarter about our policies as a nation we should be emulating Boston and not indiscriminately targeting immigration communities and sweeping up citizens documented immigrants and non-criminal citizens as well thank you thank you ma'am members be recognized by seniority and appearance in the subcommittee I now recognize myself for five minutes of questioning Sheriff can you
▶ 0:59:54you clarify for the committee members and and Americans that are observing this hearing regarding detainers um that can be confusing to Americans that don't know how it works so you just lay it out you you have local state and federal law enforcement operating um across the country and when you have when you have someone incarcerated in your jail in your county jail
▶ 1:00:24if there's a local jurisdictional authorities say the county over has a warrant for an arrest on an inmate in your jail what happens when that when that inmate is finished with his his time it's time to be released from your jail if if that County next to you has has contacted your jail and say hey we have a warrant let us know when you're ready to let this guy go that's called a detainer what what happens
▶ 1:00:54when a local law enforcement contacts you about that we turn them over to him at at what at what point in the parking lot an hour after you released them or in the jail no in the jail thank you so that's a detainer America this is the way it works what about your State Police in Florida State Police have a detainer a warrant on an inmate did they come and pick them up from into jail well no because the state police don't operate jails so the detainers would only be generally be detectives sold sure so
▶ 1:01:25so you but but State Police if they want that inmate before he's released to the parking lot they' come to the jail is that correct yes okay so federal law enforcement works the same way if the FBI has a detainer on someone do you hold them in your jail turn them over directly to the FBI not to the parking lot all the time thank you if and if ice does that now in Florida if ice has a detainer what happens to that inmate we're turning them over to ice directly to ice in the jail
▶ 1:01:55America not after they've been released to the parking lot good lady which was happening in sanctuary cities so the sanctuary City Mayors will say yeah we're turning them all we're releasing them to ice we're we're quote unquote following the law but listen to what they're saying America they're releasing these guys into the parking lot and and when ICE contacts him they say yeah we'll let him go two hours ago he was last seen wearing this walking in that direction that's not the way the
▶ 1:02:25ERS have worked historically across the country so that ties in Mr humar to what you brought up regarding weaponized migration it it occurs to me I'd like you to address this we have millions of illegals coming into our country came into our country over the last four years and wave after wave it policy was always known amongst law enforcement that policy caused that and policy could quickly fix it we've proven that that's true since
▶ 1:02:56January the 20th but the but these guys are already here what have they done to plug into the criminal networks and the cartel networks across the country that our our sovereign states and our communities across the country are now having to deal with please go into that yeah so uh Mr chairman there is a concept that was used in the executive order that President Trump signed designating cartels as terrorist organizations it's a concept called convergence and what convergence is is when you get terrorist organizations criminal organizations in a raid of elicit
▶ 1:03:26actors converging together under Logistics what we're seeing today is logistical networks be erected all throughout the United States as service providers I give you an example if you're an accountant for a major Mexican cartel you're a good candidate to be an accountant for Isis Al-Qaeda Hezbollah that's also operating inside the United States what this does is empowers elicit economies and allows those elicit economies to grow and overtake counties overtake States and eventually overtake the country so we're we're seeing a convergence of criminals terrorists and all kind of ilicit actors
▶ 1:03:56coming together who may not agree who may fight on Turf battles but fundamentally want the country to become illicit so the criminal networks that that had already existed in our cities and our sovereign states across the country um how are they battling for their territory why are we seeing an expansion of violent crimes and and serious property crimes pushed into parts of our Comm communities that had
▶ 1:04:26not historically seen that crime because of the expansion of turf just the numbers of of uh criminal operators battling for Turf how has that happening across this country no that's that's absolutely the case I think you're seeing territorial control and territorial capture that's fundamental to transnational organized crime territory is what they're going after they want to capture territory take it away from the straight and impose their own kind of criminal governance uh but what we're seeing is that put on steroids because when you add this State element nation
▶ 1:04:57states Now using these transnational criminal organizations you're seeing an element of ability to put these criminal organizations into overdrive uh I'll give you one example that Venezuela's Trend araga just in the last year we seen it expand from four states to over 23 States inside the United States that doesn't happen on its own that happens because there's a government back in Venezuela that's providing guidance Direction and resources to be able to expand throughout the country and that train that AWA is doing exactly what you're saying Mr chairman taking over place that never saw this kind of vient crime before sir
▶ 1:05:27thank you for that clarification my time has expired I recognize the ranking member Miss Lee for 5 minutes for questioning thank you Mr chair I um I think we need to be real about the goals of this administration's radical and cruel immigration plans it was shocking to hear during the hearing last week Republicans truly believe no one is calling for Mass deportation that only criminals are being targeted by ice but we know that this is simply not the case in fact uh Trump
▶ 1:05:57socar borders are Tom homman has vowed that the Trump Administration will apply shock and awe tactics shock and all tactics to its immigration enforcement and will carry out the biggest deportation operation this country has ever seen isis's own statistics show that the number of immigrants detained without criminal records Rose by 334 per from mid January to late February that's about a month within the group of immigrants cruy sent to Guantanamo Bay 51 had no criminal
▶ 1:06:27record at all Trump and Republicans want you to think all immigrants are criminal and therefore they should all be deported but the reality is that immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crimes than those born in the US so now we're seeing some Republican L states make their own or excuse me the very existence of these folks the crime um Sheriff gotier yes or no Florida recently passed a law that makes it a crime for adults to enter Florida after entering the country without legal
▶ 1:06:59status that's true you've also uh have worked closely with the Trump Administration to expand cooperation between your officers and Ice agents correct yes in fact one of the other portions of these sweeping immigration changes in Florida also includes bonuses to incentify officers to work with ice correct there is a provision in the recent law to compensate them yes thank you so to recap Florida has passed laws that Target all
▶ 1:07:29undocumented adults slaps them with a crime for merely entering Florida and then offer law enforcement more money to ship them off to ice custody that seems like a lot of mass deportation to me judge Doyle it's fair to say you have a lot of experience in immigration law from private practice to DHS to ice and then as an appointed immigration judge does this kind of heavy-handed enforcement make our community safer in your opinion absolutely not absolutely not uh ranky member Lee uh
▶ 1:07:59as I discussed a number of our cities are in fact perfect examples of what trust can build what community community policing can build which is the safest big city in the country does allowing ice to enter schools churches and hospitals make our community safer absolutely does not as I mentioned and to quote mayor woo a scared city is not a safe City from your experience what approaches to community safety have worked especially those with immigrant populations as I
▶ 1:08:29mentioned community policing is really the Cornerstone of a safe City and that requires trust between police and the people with which they work in the community it allows people comfortable to come forward and Report crimes and work with the police to um eradicate uh crime and harm in the communities just last week Republicans paraded the Boston mayor out here for her City's policies as we've heard but mayor woo made made it clear that Boston has lower crime and is safer a safer City
▶ 1:08:59compared to many republican districts unfortunately facts and data just are not on your side we need proactive investment and support for our communities parents should not have to live in fear that they're taking that taking their child to school or to the doctor will result in their arrest or deportation it is simply an American to turn these essential places into symbols of fears as targets of extreme immigration enforcement while Trump as Republican cronies are fear-mongering with their their claims of crime drugs cartels
▶ 1:09:29it's all too clear that their Mass deportation agenda extends to millions of our loved ones neighbors and co-workers who have never committed crimes none of these policies will strengthen or help our communities the only people who seemen to be benefiting besides the Talking Heads at Fox News or the billionaires running the private prisoners for them it's good business to detain people in addition to the GE group reopening a Detention Facility in New Jersey it was announced last week that core Civic is reopening the South Texas Family residential Center in Dilly Texas uh to hold immigrant families
▶ 1:10:00yes that includes children the center can hold up to 2400 people making it one of is's largest attention centers core Civic alone stands to make $180 million on this deal that's taxpayer dollars going to billion doll corporations to detain families and children rather than being invested into your communities and you can bet that the priority for these private corporations will be making a profit not treating immigrants human mly or responsibly maybe Doge and Elon should or could set their
▶ 1:10:30sights on these private prisons rather than on your Medicaid and your Social Security cruelty is the point and protecting people is simply not a priority for this Administration our communities deserve Investments and support not Terror in their safe spaces i y back thank you gent lady yields are recognize my colleague representative goar for five minutes for question thank you Mr chairman as we heard last week at at the radical Sanctuary cities are violating Federal immigration law by
▶ 1:11:00directing local law enforcement to ignore president Trump's immigration policies Law Enforcement Officers should not be the ones wearing the bureaucratic handcuffs Mr chairman it should also it should be the illegal aliens cartels and transnational and criminal organizations and foreign terrorist organizations are committing crimes and fueling the fental crisis in the United States the Wilson Center reports that trafficking of fentel in Arizona in California is a direct result of the Cur cartel and the and the halisco new generation
▶ 1:11:30cartel a 2020 DEA reports also credits these cartels at the same time supplying of elicit fentel within the US how did Biden respond in August of 2023 he sent 140 additional Homeland Security investigative agents to the Southwest border but only to assist with administrative tasks like Hospital watch and transportation we need these folks to enforce immigration laws not facil facilitate illegal immigration but within just one month the Trump Administration has seen the lowest
▶ 1:12:00border Encounters in history that means Biden simply wasn't protecting Americans by enforcing the law law enforcement jurisdictional issues don't help either almost 30% of Arizona is comprised of tribal lands uh and is an optional and is an additional optional practical law 280 state law or it exercises partial state criminal jurisdiction over tribal lands there's a significant lack of partnership among the federal state and entities Mr hire are you are you familiar with
▶ 1:12:31sp1070 no I'm not it was an Arizona law it was very controversial so might might be before your time Sheriff are you familiar with sp1070 no sir I'm not okay how about you Mr Dell no sir not in detail okay well it uh Arizona wanted to enforce its own border and it went up to the courts and they said supremacy clause okay so that's why I turned on the good old Mayors they say officer Sanctuary City so that it's against the law to do that that's standing law
▶ 1:13:01so let me ask a question Miss do and now that you're teaching you were teaching right you're still teaching not any longer no okay well but I did okay but how did you how did you present that to your students did you say the the what you believe now is going on is in uh Boston is okay or did you say it was my opinion how' you teach that because how you how you interact there really puts an institution in Jeopardy does it not Boston follows all the state local and federal laws
▶ 1:13:31they are not in violation of federal law in fact Philadelphia and California's policies have been upheld by federal courts as well Supreme Court I'm not to my knowledge has not gone to the Supreme Court that's why I said 7 went to the Supreme Court went all the way up to court so it's the law of the land so you're violating the law and you're putting your your students that you're teaching at risk so I'm just I I find it very offensive that we see that Dr Mr hire um we're unique in Arizona with we have over 20 tribal jurisdictions
▶ 1:14:02because Tribal Law Enforcement doesn't always have the resources necessary to conduct immigration reform enforcement criminal cartels Target tribal lands leading into an increased crime in drug trafficking in IND country are you familiar with the Arizona Tribe Called the toot Odum tribe no I'm not it spans 62 miles of of the Southern border they refuse to have the border wall put on their on their territory and yet this is one of the major areas and my colleague from Arizona will also attest to this that they bring in uh human trafficking
▶ 1:14:32and a lot of the listed drugs Sheriff are you familiar with the Odum no I'm not is your jurisdiction on tribal lands different no we don't have Tribal lands where we are we got over 20 tribes so it's pretty interesting yeah um but your 287g you've got so many people coming across you got to use these these programs correct it's your uh utilizing all the Manpower
▶ 1:15:03aspects right right we in the jail and now soon on the street we'll be fully Cooperative with ice and and helping them do their job there's a difference between Mr H there's a difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration right correct and I'm in favor of legal immigration not illegal immigration correct Cong the people doing the right thing standing in line trying to get in this country I'd much rather said if we need 5,000 5 million workers go this is your magic
▶ 1:15:33day because it is a violation at least a misdemeanor to try to violate this country's laws correct Cong if you if I may there's a perverse incentive with illegal immigration and that it incentivized more illegal immigration so what you're doing is you're actually taking incentives for migrants to choose a path of illegality that's dangerous that's treacherous instead of choosing a legal path you can make an argument to reform legal ation But first you have to Stamp Out illegal immigration I'll have a bunch of follow questions for record thank you gentleman yields chair recognizes
▶ 1:16:03Congressman Bill for five minutes for questioning good morning and thank you chair um as many of you know or are learning now I represent the first congressional district of Missouri the show me state and today I'm asking my Republican colleagues to show me where their principle stands when it comes to law enforcement Public Safety and respect for law um local and federal enforcement coordinate all across the country
▶ 1:16:34um specifically in um my state and my district um we see that all the time and as a as a member of Congress but also as a former judge and as a former prosecutor um these these are things that happen all over the country in um in every County if you will um and so quickly cuz my time is short judge Doyle um did you have any comments on the detainer
▶ 1:17:04with respect to detainers because I heard some information that did not seem right to me that was spoken uh thank you for that question representative Bell exactly detainers immigration detainers and the sheriff had explained this actually in his opening statement as well are voluntary requests for cooperation um the way detainers immigration ice detainers work at the moment is that they are voluntary it is up to the um receiving entity to determine whether they will um honor the detainer
▶ 1:17:35or not and additionally some states like Massachusetts have um uh laws or uh rulings by the courts that prevent uh prisons and jails from holding an individual past the time that they wrap their sentence thank you and so what I also want to get to um is in 2021 Miss missoui my home state um and I didn't support this but they enacted the Second Amendment preservation Act of also known as Sapa Sheriff are you
▶ 1:18:05familiar with that sorry I'm not no problem no problem um it was struck down as unconstitutional but before we get to that this law declared certain federal firearm regulations as essentially illegal in the state so under Sapa if a local police department cooperated with agent gencies like the ATF and enforcing gun safety laws it could face fines of up to $50,000 as a result Law Enforcement Officers across the state
▶ 1:18:35were forced to withdraw from federal task forces stop sharing critical crime data and limit their ability to crack down on gun trafficking and violent crime this this Reckless policy was not just bad law it was unconstitutional and it was finally um um found unconstitutional by the courts unlike so-called Sanctuary laws Missouri Sapa law was ultimately struck down but because it expressly
▶ 1:19:05countermanded federal law and violated the supremacy clause of the US Constitution which ensures that federal laws the law of the land and cannot simply be ignored or negated by individual states so now here's where the Imp the hypocrisy becomes impossible to ignore so just last week in this very committee I listen to my Republican colleagues argue at length that state and local law enforcement should step into the shoes of federal of federal immigration enforcement and do the federal
▶ 1:19:35government's job for them they insisted that cities undermine the rule of law that undermine the rule of law by exercising their Sovereign right to put to put Public Safety over immigration enforcement and decline Isis voluntary civil requests because that's what they are to detain someone longer than law permits they even went so far as to argue that cities and states that fail to meet Donald Trump's immigration policy demands should lose all federal funding the
▶ 1:20:06reality is that unlike the Sapa law none of these laws conf conflict with federal law none of them prevents ice from doing its job or carrying out federal immigration policy and none of them prevent cities from cooperating closely with federal law enforcement across a range of areas as cities have been doing every day but when it comes to gun laws suddenly those same Republican lawmakers are nowhere to be found they actively supported the Sapa law a law that actually did prevent
▶ 1:20:36the federal government from executing its policies by prohibiting local law enforcement from enforcing federal gun laws and Incredibly threatening police officers with penalties for simply working to keep illegal Firearms out of the hands of violent offenders so it seems like Republicans are trying to have it both ways on so I'm asking where do we where do Republicans stand de de prioritizing Public Safety and burning the relationships that they've built with
▶ 1:21:06their communities are we where's the consistency I and and I didn't hear anyone say oh this is a problem with that law with the coordination of local law enforcement and federal um law enforcement but now all of a sudden we we're seeing this requirement that local law enforcement do the job not the coordination and working together but the requirement to do the job and
▶ 1:21:37so i y back gentleman y point of order uh yeah the time has expired Mr chairman I hope I had get that same extra 30 seconds oh yes sir absolutely I had uh the chair had had acknowledged earlier that the generous use of time I'm honored to extend that generous use of time to my colleague Mr Bigs for five minutes or so for a question you are a generous chairman thank
▶ 1:22:07you Mr chairman um my my first question will will go to you Mr haay um can you discuss how the cartels have been able to build stronger elicit networks within the United States um essentially the cartels have been utilizing all kinds of revenue streams it started with cocaine it's mov the synthetics it's now down into human smuggling human trafficking and pretty there's a range of elicit Enterprises that the cartels are taking over they're not just operating in Mexico they're operating all throughout the Western hemisphere in fact the world they're appearing in Europe they're appearing in Canada uh and what they're doing is they're creating
▶ 1:22:37an Enterprise uh that's upwards of cocaine itself $170 billion annually a year so these are things that many governments have a hard time to outpace in terms of the financial resources so our hope is not to outpa some dollar for dooll but yet to understand how they operated and dismantle those Logistics and when was the last time you were at the board Mr uh about three weeks ago okay uh Sheriff question for you is will you please just briefly discuss the importance of the of the 287g program how you've utilized it and whether you
▶ 1:23:07think it's working well it's absolutely working uh and one of the things that is important with these immigration detainers is that what Mr Doyle uh didn't acknowledge in her response was is that under policy every single time that one of these quote voluntary detainers is issued it's accompanied by an arrest warrant an i 205 or an i200 so they are not voluntary in the sense that they have a warrant that's accompanying them so there are three models there is the warrant service officer program
▶ 1:23:37to get these warrants served in the jail there's a jail enforcement model which is full-blown investigations in the jail and that is the Dio and designated immigration officer on the street where we help ice and we're helping ice to take these criminal illegals off the street and is very important and it does go to uh Public Safety and it is shortsighted and it's wrong to have Sanctuary City policies because it creates officer safety issues and public safety issues these Sanctuary City policies are saying is that we're not going to hold these criminal illegals we're going to put them back out on the street
▶ 1:24:07and then ice has to go back into the community and find these criminal illegals if they would just allow ice to come into the jails and take the rapists and the murderers and the robbers and the burglars and the child porn people out of the jails and Deport them they would keep them from going into the street and everybody's all up in arms about these collaterals these people who don't commit any crime well let them go into the jails and focus on the criminals and then that wouldn't happen they are shortsighted in these Sanctuary City policies thank you and you get to the point which is if you
▶ 1:24:38hand over the individual in the jail everybody's safer the officer safer the criminals safer and the community safer 100% Mr Bigs so um this I I just have to ask this question of you Mr Hera is uh is it radical to open up your border is it extreme to open up your border is it cruelty is the point when you open up your border and that causes something like 60% of every female coming across the border
▶ 1:25:08to be raped then no matter what the age is and about 35% of every male coming across to be raped does that does that sound like a a Humane policy absolutely not if you want to dismantle your democracy you have to dismantle the sovereignty a border protects the sovereignty of your country the first step to dismantling democracy is to erode a sovereign border and in fact migrants are often times the the victims of all this they're the ones that get killed raped trafficked and so the best form of Migrant care is actually border security and
▶ 1:25:38Sheriff when was the last time you were at the border any border Texas Arizona it's about a while okay Miss doy when's the last time you were at the border I would say about 10 months ago 10 months ago which board did you go to I've been both of the San Diego sector as well as Al Paso sector okay and the northern and the northern border as well I should mention okay Seattle so I was I was there about three four weeks ago myself down the border and what it's night and day because I I've been down to the Border I I I grew up in a in
▶ 1:26:09uh what was in a a border District in Arizona it is night and day and what do causes that is it because we enacted new legislation no I don't care what President Biden former President Biden said he said you have to have new legislation that was false it was a lie What it Took was enforcing the law and that's not what the that's not what the sanctuary cities are doing we had a nice discussion your mayor and I did had a nice discussion with all the Mayors
▶ 1:26:39they all have criminal culpability I I I think You' misinterpreted misinterpreting the statutes the three Federal statutes that that I I referen last week the bottom is if you want to have safer community communities you control your border you have to control your border and you enforce the law that is what's dried it up if you go down to the to Res and and what you see there and I met with some folks from there today I will tell you I
▶ 1:27:10like those people a lot but but they through the veal Valley that is the number one human trafficking drug trafficking and and human smuggling Corridor in the world even now even now because we can't enforce the law adequately in that 62 linear miles you want safety that's what you profess you want then you better enforce the law and that isn't cruelty it's not
▶ 1:27:40it's not cruelty it's not you know in spite of the the rudess of of my across the aisle not ex an extra minute it's not radical it recognize a point of order I've the chair is allowed members on both side to speak U certainly minut no actually he was only over 30 seconds and the gentle woman interrupted him and he did not get to finish his we don't need to check the record I mean oh we can the chair is going to allow the gentleman to conclude his his question I think I think we should do that but I
▶ 1:28:10do think that we should Mr chair fairness Mr chairman recognized thank you and I'm I'm happy to yield back thank you Mr chairman for your Indulgence thank you sir I shall continue to extend that Indulgence including to miss Simon who's now recognized for five minutes for question thank you Mr chair and thank you ranking member Lee um just have a couple of quick questions um as some folks on our side of
▶ 1:28:40the AL know that I have been I dig into the Congressional Record daily and in 1942 there was an executive order Executive Order 9066 and I'm sure Professor you know that order you also may remember if you've studied 1942 there was also the congressional act it was an Act passed by Congress it was called Public Law 503 just like public law 503 and just like
▶ 1:29:10the Executive Order 9066 I would assert that at some point this nation too will have to reckon with the shame of what we are doing you might recall in 42 that members of the Japanese Community as a whole were intered based on who they were because this Congress at that time as did the president said that they were all
▶ 1:29:40indeed criminals they were interned in my district they were taken out to the streets with keys on their necks and incarcerated for months and months and months not given the Civil Right rights that they deserved I have a quick question for Professor or I should say judge Dole um actually it's a two-part question I'll ask it and you can answer we've talked a lot about detainers here uh I've worked in a jail for quite some time particularly
▶ 1:30:10around DV and I know um even in the most Progressive of cities judges uh have a lot of power here when someone comes in for they're arrested and they're charged they come in the morning charging attorney charges them they're still in custody um they don't have usually a preliminary hearing for quite some time but if you're arrested for rape if you're arrested for child pornography are you getting out that same day or a couple of weeks just want to just answer
▶ 1:30:41if you're charged with a serious crime by a district attorney I know you're on the Civil side but I'm just curious we're just not throwing people out you're talking in this in the immigration system the criminal system criminal system um my experience there is less but I would say extremely unlikely that someone with a violent criminal uh charge would be released in my experience um my other question is really around detainers um I want I want you actually it's a three-part question want you to talk a little bit about uh the detainment process you know that in some jurisdictions
▶ 1:31:11around the country the public defenders office who's on the criminal side is also working with the Civil side and the Immigration Court we know that folks don't have rights to attorneys uh on on the immigration side I want you to talk a little bit about that but moreover in your experience after you've were pushed away from the bench I'm I'm curious to understand your understanding of what's wrong in in part with our immigration system particularly the Asylum process knowing that there's over 160,000
▶ 1:31:42people without papers right now waiting waiting and waiting and waiting to be able to access What We Believe As Americans is a right to an asylum process some folks in this room call them illegal and dehumanize them but these are folks who are escaping persecution so again those two questions around detaining and really what we really need to do to break open a criminal justice system that actually works and an immigration system that is not broken so uh to take the second
▶ 1:32:12question first uh the system the Asylum system the Immigration Court System uh opla needs additional uh funding there are 3.7 million cases currently in the Immigration Court backlog there are 700 judges uh department of justice has asked for additional judges yet they've been firing judges um inexplicably you two ma' were fired is that correct yes I was uh and it's very important also that we have more actually in your courtroom would you ever
▶ 1:32:42see children by themselves without an attorney uh absolutely a number of the undocumented children um do appear without Council um we had provided a juvenile court docket so that children wouldn't be mixed in with adults and that the opal attorneys could put their eyes on them and work with Homeland Security investigation we know funding and that we know that folks who are we need funding to create a system that actually works for for folks but about comprehensive immigration reform because there has to be legal Pathways
▶ 1:33:13um as representative goar mentioned there has to be legal Pathways for legal immigration um that the employers and that the individuals that are fleeing fear can utilize um and such that our our border is safe and that our communities can be responsive judge do you have 3 seconds talk about the detainers if I can have five seconds um I'm so can you rem the detainer issue the Civil Rights around detainers detainers issues yes so um again detainers are um voluntary they're administrative warrants they're not judicial warrants
▶ 1:33:43and that each Community should be able to work together um with their communities to either enforce the warrants as AC fit um again in Boston being the safest large city in the country Works closely Community Trust um with their uh with their city and their community and their police and with ice also um when needed I appreciate the example I'm going to have to yield back thank you so much for your testimony today all of you thank you the gentle lady yields uh the congresswoman mace has recognized for five
▶ 1:34:14minutes for questioning thank you Mr chairman I'm going to keep it to five minutes uh miss doel you taught uh you're an immigration attorney yes I okay and you teach immigration law I have in the past yes and you were a legal adviser to ice I was yes uh question do you support president Trump's policy to designate cartels as terrorist organizations um I think that by designating it say yes or no do you support president Trump's policy to designate cartels I support focusing on National Security
▶ 1:34:44and do you support president Trump's policy to designate cartels as terrorist organizations I think it is important to focus on National Security okay uh should rapists for should illegals who are here illegally uh who rape American women and girls should they be deported yes or no individuals with serious criminal convictions such than that are deported every single day oh no they're not what about murderers you think murderers should be Deport murders are also um subject to deportation okay so there is a sanctuary
▶ 1:35:14Sheriff uh named Kristen Graziano in Charleston County South Carolina who refused to work with ice refused to work with ice and she was letting criminal illegals out on the street who were raping my constituents raping women in Charleston in South Carolina uh pedophiles child molesters um murderers out onto the streets of South Carolina this is happening in bright red South Carolina the sanctuary Sheriff so they aren't being deported because there are Sanctuary marriage you want to quote mayor woo as being
▶ 1:35:44this gift from God about safety I mean she was literally like praising or sending her condolences to a knife wielding Maniac trying trying to murder people on the streets of Boston um is crazy to me and here you you have a law degree you have done uh advised on immigration to ice and you can't even say whether or not you want the cartels to be designated as terrorist organizations you're hiding behind some little lofty quote about National Security which is not really making a whole lot of sense
▶ 1:36:15one of the things I did want to fact check some of my colleagues on today is um is is this idea it's been said by multiple people uh online in this hearing today that it's not illegal to come here illegally well under title 8 it actually is title 8 USC 1325 about the improper entry of an alien it is breaking the law when you enter here illegally um and uh our witness Miss Doyle cited in her opening presentation uh the
▶ 1:36:4510th Amendment that it gives absolute control to states and cities and counties to uh handle the immigration issue it actually it actually doesn't and if I'm shocked as an attorney that you don't know the law uh because it says under the law um in in multiple places especially in long-standing Supreme Court precedent but the 10th Amendment says the power is not delegated to the federal government of reserve for the states uh congress power to regulate immigration primarily stems from Article 1 Section 8 Clause
▶ 1:37:154 and that is the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization and under Article 1 Section 8 Clause 3 power to regulate commerce with foreign Nations I not even attorney and I could easily look that up um I think we need to have higher standards for those who are who are lawyers and also uh practicing law and teaching law to our students because it's there's a long-standing supreme court precedent also that's recognized Congress as having plenary power over immigration and not actually the states and plenary means absolute
▶ 1:37:46control um so last year uh I exposed a sanctuary Sheriff who was doing day after day after day months after month mons I exposed her for releasing the worst of the worst the most violent those illegals that were committing the worst possible crimes I fought to get rid of this Sanctuary Sheriff Kristen Graziano when I had documents sent to me by a whistleblower and I ended up talking to multiple uh sources about this I was one of the only elected officials that
▶ 1:38:16caught out our Sanctuary sheriff in South Carolina Kristen Graziano um no one in Statewide elected office not my attorney general Alan Wilson not my lieutenant governor pamet if you're listening and you're watching you stood by silent as a sanctuary Sheriff let out murderers let out rapists let out child molesters and pedophiles out onto the streets of South Carolina it was wrong it was unethical
▶ 1:38:47it was a legal I had 145 Democrats vote against my bill the violence against women by illegal aliens act 145 Democrats voted against deporting those who are here illegally the worst of the worst murderers rapists pedophiles Mr chairman i y back I did it in record time today the general lady yields um congresswoman bobbert is recognized for five minutes for questioning thank
▶ 1:39:17you Mr chairman um um Mr hir um so we've seen under the Biden Administration the failed open border policies um that really fueled and exas exasperated uh the immigration crisis the illegal immigration crisis um in my home state of Colorado and the previous administration released uh at least 11 million illegal aliens and at least 100 known terrorists and estimates uh indicate
▶ 1:39:47250,000 to 585,000 pounds of fentanyl into our communities Colorado being the number two state in the nation for fentanyl overdoses really fentanyl poisoning um most these folks aren't seeking after fentanyl but they're being tricked into taking it um how do you believe that the uh the Biden administration's policies empowered terrorists um and these terrorist organizations like trende aragua um to commit violent crimes um against Americans American citizens especially in places
▶ 1:40:17like Colorado and Aurora the B administration's immigration and Border policies provided a magnet for all kinds of criminals and terrorists to say basically say the the borders open we're going to move in and that empowered the uh enemies and adversaries of the United States including nation states to then steer those migrants to be able to come in into our country uh Miss Congressman you you mentioned the trend araga the trend was uniquely a phenomenon of the Biden Administration it did not exist inside the United States prior to 2021 in fact most of the Venezuelan migration that was leaving that country since
▶ 1:40:472014 fled South through South America but because the Venezuelan government was able to establish both a land Bridge through the Darian Gap a once uncrossable border between Panama and Colombia and an air Bridge into Mexico they timed that because they knew that President bid was going to open the border now we have trendera in 23 States including your state of Colorado and they've captured killed and uh raped all kinds of Americans throughout the country thank you for highlighting that this is a new problem that we we weren't encountering before with this uh gang presence in our country um and now
▶ 1:41:17uh recent reports um um have been about um leaks taking place uh with and law law enforcement sensitive information detailing the ice raids targeting illegal criminal aliens uh how do these leaks affect uh law enforcement efforts uh to to keep the country safe I'm familiar with the leak uh that happened in in your state in Colorado that was a major raid that was more than 400 agents that were deployed to basically take down the tragan apartment complexes uh that not only puts
▶ 1:41:47at risk the law enforcement officials that are engaged in that raid but it puts at risk the the entire Community because it allows that gang to figure out the leaks the the vulnerabilities in our law enforcement system what I'm very concerned about the trend that a in particular is very Adept at coopting uh government officials they've done this in throughout countries all throughout South America because they use this later to be able to create media apparatuses other kinds of propaganda to defend uh their interest which is through illegal immigration yes and a question that uh I I did want to ask you
▶ 1:42:18how does it help or hurt when members of Congress see this and engage in the leaks and prop them up and uh and then even have um special Town Hall like events where they're um telling illegal aliens how to remain in the country well they're they're either wittingly or unwittingly aligning themselves with that transnational criminal organization strategic objectives thank you uh Miss Miss Doyle in Aurora Colorado uh we've been talking about the Venezuelan gain Trend de aragua and they were tied to uh incidents at multiple apartment complexes where violent uh gangs um they had
▶ 1:42:48events like home evasions uh shootings kidnappings uh assaults and extortion for for rent payments and just last year nine suspected TDA members were charged after a violent home invasion into um an apartment complex and left two victims seriously injured as as a um legal adviser under the Biden Administration did you ever advise anyone that we should be doing something to prevent uh this kind of gang activity in our communities uh I'm not able to discuss due to my ethical obligations
▶ 1:43:19to confidentiality any advice I gave or are you not here as a principal legal adviser but I cannot break my confidentiality for any specific advice I will tell you that we always focused on National Security and Public Safety and have supported the Brave and hardworking uh law enforcement officers of immigration Customs Enforcement and Homeland Security investigation did you ever Advocate uh for coordination between federal law enforcement officers and local and state law enforcement officers um well we have in in
▶ 1:43:49Denver and in Colorado two different um mult statutes that prevent that coordination uh so were there conversations and are you still advocating if you were um to to have those Sanctuary policy laws removed uh so we can have that coordination each Community should be able to determine themselves what works for their Community as we mentioned holding Boston up as the safest large city in the country I think our federal laws would keep our communities the safest
▶ 1:44:19our our federal laws are on the books and um say that they're that there should that that um they should require state and local Law Enforcement Officers to collaborate with Federal immigration authorities however B Administration empowered Sanctuary cities and as as a legal adviser I would I would just assume that you are part of the empowering of of of places like Denver to to pass these ordinances is that true local Mayors cities towns and the states should be able to determine their own policies and
▶ 1:44:49their own approaches and while we work for I we always encourage encouraged um cooperation as I believe federal law should be followed at all costs thank you ma'am my time has expired to General lady yields uh my colleague Mr Perry Congressman Perry has recognized for five minutes for questioning thank you Mr chairman Sheriff according to ice you're the sheriff right yes Florida yeah penel County according to ice as of July 21st last year there were 66256
▶ 1:45:23illegal aliens with criminal histories free in the United States and of course those are just the ones that ice knows about now I happened to be present at a hearing a week or a week and a half ago with the mayors of some of what people were describe as sanctuary cities now I found it interesting that none of folks that were testifying the Mayors they wouldn't refer to them as sanctuary cities they refer to as welcoming
▶ 1:45:53cities but that's another story maybe we'll get into that but be that as it may they all claim that there was no correlation between increased crime rates and fascinating at the same time none of them well they all admitted to not keeping any records regarding immigration status of the people that they arrested or that were arrested in their cities for criminal
▶ 1:46:25activity and I'm just wondering look you're a law enforcement Guy this is your vocation this is what you do this is your passion what are what are we supposed to think what are members of the public supposed to think when they see that the claim is made that there's no correlation yet it seems pretty obvious me that you can't know the answer if you're not going to ask the question am I am I out of am I out of the ballpark here what's happening
▶ 1:46:55no you're completely in the ballpark it's ridiculous to think that the people who are here illegally and are also committing crime are not a horrific impact to every community in this country and when you have these Sanctuary policies that aren't welcoming policies because even people who are here illegally who are not committing crime they don't want to be victims of crime and so it's disingenuous to say that
▶ 1:47:26we are not going to ask we're not going to track these people who we are arresting who are committing all these crimes to know their immigration status because those are the people that we need to get rid of if you come into this country illegally and you are not here because of proper legal status you need to go and you need to go yesterday and that's what law enforcement needs to be focused on and that's what every city should should be focused on is to not to encourage
▶ 1:47:56not to allow not to permit these people to wreak havoc in our communities and that's what they're doing so I suspect you've pledged a oath to keep the citizens that you that elected you you're an elected Sheriff right you you pledge to keep them safe under the under the authority of your position you know I what is the impetus for an elected official to not want want to know like to not collect that information and
▶ 1:48:26and you know we're the federal government right so we don't want to be telling law enforcement is a state and local issue generally speaking as it should be so we don't want to tell you how to run your railroad here but what are we to do how are we going to get the information to make good decisions and good policy decisions other than just conjecture if you're not going to collect that information do you have a do you have an any advice for us do you have a recommendation for us
▶ 1:48:56I mean the mayor of Chicago said he's a welcoming City and over and go over again complained that the governor of Texas was sending all these people to his City but he was saying he's a welcoming City he's welcoming them and and apparently he didn't get the memo that those people weren't forced to come to Chicago they chose to go to Chicago and I suspect they chose to go to Chicago because he was welcoming them because they were sinking sanctuary and that is sanctuary from law enforcement how do we
▶ 1:49:27if if we have local officials who are sworn to protect their citizens and uphold the law but refuse to collect information regarding the law and law and infractions by people here illegally how do we how do we get that information well you can't reconcile that why would you be welcoming to people who are here illegally and here committing crime you know there's also uh 1.4 4 million people that have final orders of deportation with i25s
▶ 1:49:58which are the removal warrants who have just thumbed their nose at the immigration courts the immigration system and said they're not leaving so there are a whole lot of people who are not the people that they want to talk about which are the people that have been here for 15 20 years who are a product of failed immigration policies and are just going about their business that's what they want to talk about they don't want to talk about all the people who are thumbing their nose at the system
▶ 1:50:28that have warrants outstanding for them that are committing crime that are wreaking havoc in the communities and the ones that we are desperately trying to get rid of and to remove and to deport because they're a problem for all of us and again like I said they're a problem for US citizens they're a pro they're a problem even for those that are hey legally who aren't committing crime and to say we welcome them that makes no sense thank you Mr chair I yeld the gentleman yields after consultation with the ranking member I request unanimous
▶ 1:50:58consent that each side be given two minutes of additional time to question the witnesses without objection so ordered uh the chair recognizes Mr goar for two minutes and if you have 30 seconds to yield we'll appreciate it at the end of your two minutes okay uh Mr H um you brought up NGS so uh this is an interesting topic for me because I want to find out you know if you took any federal money for an NGO whether you got it directly or
▶ 1:51:29indirectly that we should know about that to make our decisions would you agree with that I would so transparency is a big deal correct okay let me ask you I want to put in for the record 8 us 1324 for the record how you familiar with ob so Mr M I'm not I'm sorry it is bringing in and harboring illegal aliens certain illegal aliens are you familiar with that now yes okay so um before before I go to this question uh Mr
▶ 1:51:59I think you misunderstood me the only thing I changed about the immigration system is the opt program are you familiar with the opt program I am yes so what we did is we gave the riches of the rich the opportunity to bypass uh quotas right we allowed the big platforms to bring in anybody they want there's no caps and they got a 15% discount after paying these people a lot less so they're not paying their fair share they're not paying their fair share let me say it again not paying their fair share of taxes Social Security and Medicare right
▶ 1:52:30well when you're saying OBT you mean optional practical training for students okay yeah so and coming back to my question to Mr Holm that's a fragrant U violation of the law isn't it so I'm looking forward to finding out more about this about who's aiding and betting who here because a lot of this was trafficking children right we heard Mr Bigs talk about it women and children and last but not least tell me uh do everybody qualify for Asylum no how
▶ 1:53:00what what's what's the determination political religious or racial persecution they approve it right correct okay well I you back Mr chairman thanks for the opportunity for that getting the record and yes so the gentleman yields and the chair recognizes the ranking member for two minutes for additional question thank you Mr chair I just want to take a moment to clarify a couple of the things that we heard throughout this committee particularly on detainer requests and the legality of them U my Republican colleagues are once again propagating the myth that
▶ 1:53:30state and local laws that decline ice detainer request or prevent the sharing of certain information with ice are in violation of the Constitution and federal law so I would like to set the record State uh straight excuse me the courts have repeatedly affirmed the legality of these state and local laws for example in 2020 the US Supreme Court had an opportunity to overturn the California values act uh but instead held the court of appeals decision that the law was unconstitutional in the third circuit uh court of appeals has held that immigration detainers quote do not and cannot compel a state
▶ 1:54:01or local government agency to detain suspected aliens subject to removal I'll also remind my colleagues that the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the Constitution prohibits the federal government from commandeering state and local law enforcement exactly as the Trump uh Administration is doing right now if I could ask a question very quickly uh changing gears a bit judge duel you were uh recently appointed under President Biden to serve as an Immigration Court judge but we missed can you tell me about the Immigration Court backlog and how the actions of the Trump Administration like your dismissal are hurting the immigration system uh yes Frank you member Lee
▶ 1:54:31as I mentioned there's 3.7 million cases currently in the backlog with the aggressive uh enforcement that's going on that number will balloon uh in addition to the um termination of TPS and the PE status that number will continue to grow the 13 people that were in my class that were all um fired on February 14th we each represented the completion of between 500 and 700 cases uh in a year that's between 7 and 9,000 cases that will now no longer be heard in the immigration
▶ 1:55:01courts adding to the backlog and to the um difficulty of getting people through this system those that are eligible being able to get their um relief and those that are not eligible being ordered removed thank you and with the remaining of my time I would like to um as unanimous constent to enter a couple things into the record what are other great I have uh an article NPR article uh that shows immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than us born citizens another report about the effects of of uh Sanctuary
▶ 1:55:31cities in crime one showing that Sanctuary cities are actually safer uh than others specifically that on average 35.5 fewer crimes committed per 10,000 people in sanctuary counties compared to non Sanctuary counties without objection order uh in Clos and I'd like to thank our panelists once again for their testimony today if I miss someone we not get no we have we had a total of two minutes agreed to by unanimous consent uh not two minutes of addition we're okay with that Mr chairman total of two minutes
▶ 1:56:02um I yield to ranking member Lee for closing remarks thank you Mr chair and thank you to our panel of witnesses for coming in and testifying uh at today's hearing what we heard today was Republicans lumping in whole communities in cultures into one faceless label that they can blame all the country's problems on they can create the narrative that is Us Versus Them Republicans push again and again this myth that all immigrants are violent criminals which is simply not true we know that immigrants are significantly
▶ 1:56:33less likely to commit crimes than people born in the US but painting them with a broad brush makes it easier to villainize them I know we're going to be spending a lot of time this Congress talking about immigration and Republicans are going to continue to talk about Public Safety as we should I think we can all agree that we want to live in a safer world I think we can all ree that we want uh policies uh that make us safer but because of policy choices we don't have that safety I didn't hear any Republicans talking about tackling the root causes of migration
▶ 1:57:03or the root causes of global instability Republicans know that mass UT toration policies do nothing to actually fix these problems but they're not proposing Ro fixes because it's expensive or rather it's quite lucrative for those exploiting the status quo if my Republican colleagues were serious about reducing crime this hearing would have been about investing in our communities and addressing the root causes of crime but these things cost money and take time instead they're talk they're working to divest from our communities and to only fund ice Mass deportation raids and tax cuts for their billionaire
▶ 1:57:33donors rural change is hard and Us Versus Them makes it makes a better sound bite for Fox News so many of the crimes Republicans are speaking about like thefts or muggings are crimes of desperation if we get rid of the things that caused the desperation we could get rid of the crime food insecurity housing insecurity a of high quality Public Schools or polluted air and water having to work multiple jobs and barely scraping by those are problems that cause crime the true enemy is poverty not immigration
▶ 1:58:04status we need jobs that pay a living wage so that people can afford the necessities and to spend time with their loved ones and their families we need affordable mental health and addiction treatments to help those sufferings we need Humane immigration policies that lift those communities up and address the root causes of immigration until we work on inves ing in wraparound Services Healthcare after school programs and violence interrupts we're not having a serious conversation about crime but the reality is that those things cost money again and in this age of those is cheaper to
▶ 1:58:34other community for Republicans sometimes it may seem easier to send Ice agents into hospitals than to make sure that those inside can afford the health care they need it's easier to send and Station Ice agents right outside of your school your child's school instead of spending money on resources to educate your child children are afraid to go to school one reportedly wrote A Goodbye note to their friend saying if ice takes me don't forget about me if we're going to talk about criminals we should maybe talk about the things that Elon Musk
▶ 1:59:04is doing such as rans sacking this country right before our eyes he's slashing and burning government programs putting our personal data at risk and fattening his own bank account with government contracts musk and other billionaires are the ones benefiting from keeping people poor and desperate they keep your wages low and your rent high they price gouge and exploit workers and pollute the environment we should talk about how Donald Trump has levied Thief tariffs on our closest eyelin tank the stock market and refus to consider that his policies threatened to plunge this country into a recession
▶ 1:59:34but y'all want to talk about that this cycle of scaping excuse me scapegoating marginalized communities is lazy and dangerous and does nothing to make our country a safer and better place to live I hope in future hearings we can focus Less on demonizing immigrant communities and more ways to truly better our communities I know that that's what we want I know that if you have taken the oath of office in this country that you want all of our neighbors in all of our districts to live a safer life with that I Y back thank you the G lady yields I recognize
▶ 2:00:05myself for closing remarks I've been stating very clearly in committees and in my public conversations and service to We the People for many years reflective of my background of law enforcement that that effective policies um that lean towards enforcing a law lead to safer communities and more economically prosperous communities
▶ 2:00:35it's difficult to do business when when violent crime or or outof control property crime is is a threat clearly American understands that and for the last four years our nation has suffered from quite a poor Southern border and we were advised that there Executives there nothing they could do about it and they even created what they referred to as Pathways America
▶ 2:01:05listen to this they created legal Pathways they call to for immigration this is where a corroboration between the previous administrations executive and the cartel human trafficking business and drug trafficking this way you saw actual collaboration between our federal government and Cel operations so folks would ask me how long would it take to
▶ 2:01:36to secure the Border if we would enforce the law if you have a change in policy two weeks in two weeks we'll have things shut down like the cartels would need a new a new business model man because they've been making a lot of money talking about a billion dollars a week by some estimates and and they've been building that business model for for years like wide open running into our country an entire country has been the victim
▶ 2:02:06of cartel human and drug trafficking and and now these these the illegal immigrants that are that are what we call in law enforcement in the game if they're if they're involved in criminal Network works I I can tell them right now isce is coming you can either self- Deport and maybe make it back across the border with some of the possessions that you've got or you you can wait for ice to hit your neighborhood and
▶ 2:02:36a local law enforcement and state law enforcement that is of a mind to participate with federal law enforcement operations I'm telling all of them get get geared up get your mind right get your training and certification squared away because you will very soon be given the opportunity to join task force with ice in your state in your community to remove criminal illegals from your state and your community and this is going to be an
▶ 2:03:08operation I must say that is part of my closing that I think we're going to have vibrant uh vigorous debate in this in this uh sub committee for the as long as I'm the chairman I'm going to encourage that debate and I very much appreciate the ranking member meeting with me prior to this first subcommittee hearing and uh I'm going to do my best to to manage both sides and I I am just
▶ 2:03:39respectful of your engagement um Miss ranking member and I thank the the witnesses for being here today we have a lot of work to do uh this subcommittee is going to be a of the restoration of Law and Order in our country and with that I I remind that all members have five legislative days within which to submit materials and to submit addition additional
▶ 2:04:09written questions for the witnesses which will be forwarded to the witnesses for their response if there's no further bidness without objection the subcommittee
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