Markup of H.Res. 127 and H.Res. 195

Benefits Fraud and Improper PaymentsHouse Ways and Means · March 12, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Ways and Means Committee convened this markup to consider two Democratic resolutions of inquiry (H.Res. Begins at ▶ 0:18:51
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Markup of resolutions demanding DOGE records on Treasury and Social Security data access

Purpose

The House Ways and Means Committee convened this markup to consider two Democratic resolutions of inquiry (H.Res. 127 and H.Res. 195) demanding that the Trump Administration disclose what the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and Elon Musk have accessed at the Treasury Department's payment systems and the Social Security Administration, including confidential taxpayer data. Republicans argued the resolutions were a distraction from legitimate efforts to root out waste, fraud, and abuse, while Democrats argued they were necessary to safeguard Americans' private financial, tax, and Social Security data from an unaccountable, unelected actor. Both resolutions were ultimately voted down along party lines and reported adversely to the House. Begins at▶ 0:18:51

Who spoke

• Chairman Jason Smith (R-MO)▶ 0:18:51: Opened by arguing Democrats have never identified real waste to cut, said DOGE has only read-only access to Treasury systems under a signed MOU protecting personal data▶ 0:20:22, and cited a GAO estimate of up to $521 billion in annual improper federal payments▶ 0:23:24; later argued Social Security customer service has improved, citing hold times dropping to 21.6 minutes▶ 3:01:43, and disputed claims Trump would touch Social Security▶ 2:05:44.

• Rep. Richard Neal (D-MA), Ranking Member▶ 0:23:55: Said Congress needs transparency on what DOGE has done "behind closed doors" at agencies holding sensitive taxpayer data▶ 0:23:55, noted no one 300 years old is receiving Social Security checks▶ 0:24:25, and pressed that 99.2% of Social Security recipients get checks on time serving 72 million Americans▶ 2:11:48.

• Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-NJ)▶ 0:28:58: As lead sponsor of H.Res. 127, argued DOGE "confuses billions and millions" and "double counts its body count"▶ 0:29:28; said the resolution simply asks for documents on DOGE's access to Treasury payment systems, taxpayer information, and screenshots taken of that data▶ 0:31:59.

• Rep. Mike Thompson (D-CA)▶ 0:34:00: Said the hearing was about transparency on programs like Social Security, veterans' benefits, and Medicare▶ 0:34:30; noted Musk hasn't filed a financial disclosure despite receiving billions in government contracts▶ 0:35:31, and later said the empty witness chair "speaks volumes"▶ 1:09:55.

• Rep. John Larson (D-CT)▶ 0:38:33: Said the committee is "neglecting its responsibility" and asked why Musk, who has called Social Security a "Ponzi scheme," won't testify▶ 0:39:33; later, as Social Security Subcommittee ranking member, cited a $2.7 trillion trust fund surplus and challenged Republicans to bring forward their own plan▶ 2:12:18▶ 3:27:59.

• Rep. Jodey Arrington (R-TX)▶ 0:43:37: Accused Democrats of "grandstanding" and fear-mongering, cited a GAO estimate of up to $5 trillion in fraud over 10 years▶ 0:46:09, and referenced Hunter Biden-era IRS obstruction concerns▶ 0:47:40; later argued Social Security has an 8-year fuse to insolvency and 20% automatic benefit cuts absent reform▶ 2:29:59.

• Rep. Danny Davis (D-IL)▶ 0:49:10: Submitted a Democratic letter to agency secretaries for the record▶ 0:49:10 and later argued privatization would let hedge funds profit at beneficiaries' expense▶ 2:39:06.

• Rep. Linda Sánchez (D-CA)▶ 0:53:44: Said Musk's access to Treasury payment systems including Social Security and Medicare benefits is "particularly egregious"▶ 0:54:15; later said her staff's test call to the Social Security customer service line was still on hold during the markup▶ 2:43:02.

• Rep. Suzan DelBene (D-WA)▶ 0:56:16: Said constituents fear identity theft and unlawful database breaches, drawing on her prior role as Washington State revenue director▶ 0:58:17.

• Rep. Lloyd Smucker (R-PA)▶ 0:59:47: Argued Social Security has not been touched, cited federal spending at 36% of GDP and over 3 million federal employees▶ 1:00:18, and referenced a 2021 IRS taxpayer-data leak used by ProPublica and the New York Times▶ 1:16:30.

• Rep. Judy Chu (D-CA)▶ 1:04:51: Said Ways and Means Democrats sought answers directly from the Speaker and Treasury Secretary before resorting to the resolution▶ 1:05:21; later cited AP, ABC, CBS, Washington Post and NYT reports debunking claims of "150-year-olds" collecting benefits▶ 2:44:03.

• Rep. Gwen Moore (D-WI)▶ 1:09:55: Argued the inquiry concerns an "ineligible" unelected billionaire accessing data protected under Section 6103▶ 1:10:25; later cited a $700 million cut to Social Security's CR funding and Martin O'Malley's warning agencies "want to wreck it so they can rob it"▶ 2:50:07.

• Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA)▶ 1:17:30: Said 765,000 constituents in Philadelphia deserve to know who is viewing their private data and urged bipartisan support for transparency▶ 1:19:01.

• Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX)▶ 1:20:01: Detailed that DOGE sought Treasury's Bureau of Fiscal Services data, that access moved from "read-only" to "read and write"▶ 1:26:04, and cited Section 6103 and the Privacy Act of 1974 as the laws being violated▶ 1:28:06; noted about 2 million fewer Americans have filed taxes this season amid privacy concerns▶ 1:21:02.

• Rep. Brendan Boyle (D-PA)▶ 1:22:33: Cited an ethics complaint filed with Reps. Raskin and Frost to the Office of Government Ethics over DOGE conflicts of interest, noting violations carry up to 5 years in prison▶ 1:23:33.

• Rep. Dwight Evans (D-PA) [1:28:06 / 3:04:15]: Yielded time to colleagues on the Treasury resolution and later described constituent concerns raised at his town hall about DOGE data access▶ 3:04:46.

• Rep. Brad Schneider (D-IL)▶ 1:33:10: Recounted his own decade-old identity theft experience taking years to resolve▶ 1:34:41; later warned Social Security office closures and a 12% workforce cut threaten benefit delivery▶ 3:09:20.

• Rep. Jimmy Gomez (D-CA)▶ 1:38:43: Read specifics of the resolution's 14-day document demand covering Treasury payment system access and screenshots taken by DOGE▶ 1:39:44.

• Rep. Beth Van Duyne (R-TX)▶ 1:42:47: Said Democrats never actually invited Musk as a witness despite having the opportunity▶ 1:42:47, and cited a TIGTA finding that over 91,000 users, including 5,000 contractors, had IRS system access as of July 2023▶ 1:44:48.

• Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL): Moved to report both H.Res. 127▶ 2:00:58 and H.Res. 195▶ 3:58:47 adversely to the House.

• Rep. Brittany Pettersen (D-CO)▶ 1:46:18: Asked via parliamentary inquiry whether the committee could compel Musk to testify▶ 1:46:49; later argued Republicans are "letting an unelected billionaire ransack our government"▶ 1:47:20.

• Rep. Tom Suozzi (D-NY)▶ 1:50:21: Cited the FY2026 budget resolution's $6.75 trillion in spending against $4.9 trillion in revenue▶ 1:51:21; later compared federal employee counts across decades, noting roughly 3 million employees in 1970 versus today despite population growth from 203 million to 350 million▶ 3:47:41.

• Rep. Ron Estes (R-KS), Social Security Subcommittee Chairman▶ 2:28:58: Cited $72 billion in improper Social Security payments from 2015–2022▶ 2:29:29 and said the trust fund is running an annual deficit since 2010▶ 2:31:00.

• Rep. Terri Sewell / Sanchez et al. and Rep. Neal continued opening-statement exchanges on H.Res. 195▶ 2:11:18.

• Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL): also spoke to move adverse reporting motions (see above).

• Rep. Vince Fong / Rep. Bean (R-FL)▶ 3:14:23: Argued Democrats are scaring the public with false privatization claims, invoked historical bipartisan deficit deals under Clinton and Gingrich, and entered CBS News articles on threats against Tesla into the record▶ 3:16:54.

• Rep. Jimmy Panetta (D-CA)▶ 3:19:25: Cited 140,000 Social Security beneficiaries in his district worth $282 million monthly, said DOGE plans to close nearly 50 field offices and cut staff by 12%, and quoted acting Commissioner Leland Dudek that inexperienced outsiders "will make mistakes"▶ 3:22:57.

• Rep. Steven Horsford (D-NV)▶ 3:35:03: Said Rep. Tom Cole was able to get his local Social Security office kept open through direct DOGE access while Horsford's Las Vegas office closure notice never came▶ 3:36:03; cited a report of 81.2 million calls to Social Security's toll-free line in 2023▶ 3:38:04.

• Rep. Darin LaHood (R-IL)▶ 3:39:36: Cited testimony from Generals Petraeus and McChrystal calling the national debt the top threat to America, and quoted a Wall Street Journal editorial on DOGE▶ 3:41:06.

• Rep. Linda Sánchez / Rep. Nydia Velázquez (D-NY)▶ 3:43:08: Argued DOGE actions aim to "devastate" Social Security's ability to serve the public so funds can be shifted to Wall Street.

• Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL)▶ 3:53:14: Yielded time to Rep. Arrington, who defended DOGE's mission and cited a Biden-era policy change to annual (from twice-yearly) Medicaid eligibility reviews costing an estimated $160 billion▶ 3:57:46.

Key moments

• Chairman Smith cited a GAO estimate that federal improper payments reach up to $521 billion a year, framing DOGE's mission as addressing this waste▶ 0:23:24.

• Rep. Pascrell said DOGE "confuses billions and millions" and "double counts its body count," disputing the accuracy of the administration's fraud claims▶ 0:29:28.

• Rep. Doggett detailed that Treasury officials initially claimed DOGE had "read only" access but later admitted DOGE staff had both "read and write" access to sensitive payment databases▶ 1:26:04.

• Rep. Van Duyne stated Democrats never formally invited Elon Musk to testify, despite criticizing Republicans for not producing him — a claim Reps. Chu and Doggett rebutted by entering a February 6, 2025 letter requesting Musk's and Secretary Bessent's appearance into the record▶ 1:42:47▶ 1:56:24.

• Rep. Arrington cited a GAO estimate of up to $5 trillion in improper payments/fraud over a 10-year window, calling for bipartisan urgency▶ 0:46:09.

• Rep. Smucker noted a major 2021 leak of IRS taxpayer data used by ProPublica and the New York Times, saying Democrats showed little outrage over it at the time▶ 1:16:30.

• Rep. Panetta said DOGE plans to close nearly 50 Social Security field offices and cut the agency's workforce by 12%, quoting acting Commissioner Leland Dudek's own warning that inexperienced staff "will make mistakes"▶ 3:22:57▶ 3:23:27.

• Rep. Horsford cited a CNN report that Rep. Tom Cole successfully lobbied to keep his district's Social Security office open while his own office received no such consideration, alleging unequal treatment▶ 3:36:03.

• H.Res. 127 was rejected 25–18 along party lines and ordered reported adversely to the House▶ 2:05:14.

• H.Res. 195 was rejected 24–18 along party lines and ordered reported adversely to the House▶ 4:02:28.

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CommitteeHouse Ways and Means
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateMarch 12, 2025
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