Exploring the Use of Unmanned Aircraft Systems Across the DHS Enterprise

DHS Budget and Border OversightHomeland Security Subcommittee on Border Security and Enforcement · April 1, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Homeland Security Subcommittees on Border Security and Enforcement, and Emergency Management and Technology, held a joint hearing to examine how the Department of Homeland Security and its components use unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) for border security, disaster response, and public safety. Begins at ▶ 0:42:52
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DHS use of drones for border security and disaster response

Purpose

The House Homeland Security Subcommittees on Border Security and Enforcement, and Emergency Management and Technology, held a joint hearing to examine how the Department of Homeland Security and its components use unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) for border security, disaster response, and public safety. Members and four witnesses — from COLSA Corporation, Mississippi State University's Raspet Flight Research Laboratory, the Orange County Fire Authority, and the University of Alabama in Huntsville — discussed drone applications, foreign-manufacturing restrictions, counter-drone technology, and the effects of proposed cuts to FEMA and DHS's Science and Technology Directorate. Begins at▶ 0:42:52

Who spoke

• Chairman Michael Guest (R-MS)▶ 0:42:52: Opened the hearing describing DHS's UAS use since 2005, noting CBP seized about 2,800 pounds of illicit narcotics via drone-assisted operations from FY2020–FY2023▶ 0:44:54, and later questioned witnesses on NDAA-driven manufacturing bottlenecks▶ 1:27:48 and Project JUSTICE▶ 1:30:24.

• Ranking Member Lou Correa (D-CA)▶ 0:48:14: Cited testimony that drone incursions along the southern border likely exceed 1,000 per month▶ 0:52:18, touted his bipartisan Drone Act of 2025 for law enforcement grant funding▶ 0:51:26, and later questioned Chief Fetterman on emerging technology and FEMA/DHS staffing cuts▶ 1:33:32.

• Chairman Dale Strong (R-AL)▶ 0:53:48: Highlighted Huntsville's UAS research ecosystem and DHS's Redstone/UAH partnerships, describing 200 flight hours across 16 agencies flown after Hurricane Milton▶ 0:56:32, and later questioned witnesses on swarming and AI decision-making▶ 1:39:15.

• Ranking Member Nicholas "Nick" Kennedy (D-NY)▶ 1:00:05: Criticized Secretary Noem's stated plan to eliminate FEMA▶ 1:00:31, cited a 10% cut in FY24 DHS grant programs▶ 1:02:32, and described local drone-assisted rescues in Buffalo▶ 1:03:29; later asked Chief Fetterman about testing drones before emergencies▶ 1:46:40 and FEMA program impacts▶ 1:48:16.

• Bryan Farrell, Interim Director, Raspet Flight Research Laboratory▶ 1:06:56: Described Project JUSTICE's role vetting UAS for DHS procurement▶ 1:29:02 and Raspet's use of the Teros drone to broadcast live imagery to FEMA and the White House during hurricane response▶ 1:11:05; detailed collaboration with FEMA Region 4 on Hurricane Helene response▶ 1:52:03.

• Dr. Michael Ledbetter, EVP/COO, COLSA Corporation▶ 1:12:04: Said COLSA has delivered over 1,400 UAS to the Army since 2019▶ 1:12:26, noted a DIU "Blue UAS" refresh challenge received 369 submissions but could only accept 23 platforms▶ 1:14:39, and testified China still makes 70–80% of the world's lithium-ion batteries▶ 1:15:58; said DJI drones remain 3–5 times cheaper than NDAA-compliant American-made alternatives▶ 2:05:28.

• Jerry Hendrickx, University of Alabama in Huntsville▶ 1:16:28: Said his center's disaster-response research was named one of the top eight UAS programs nationally by the Commercial Drone Alliance in 2023▶ 1:17:23; testified that under the previous administration, cartels flew roughly 17 drones for every one flown by Border Patrol▶ 1:44:03, and that drones dropping bomblets/incendiary devices, learned from the Ukraine-Russia war, are now available for purchase online▶ 1:20:57.

• Chief Kevin Fetterman, Orange County Fire Authority▶ 1:22:16: Described the 2024 Airport Fire (23,519 acres, 160+ structures burned) where drones tracked hotspots▶ 1:23:38, and said the January 2025 LA fires saw over 700 drone incursions by more than 400 different aircraft between January 7–25, including one at 20,000 feet and one that struck a Canadian Super Scooper aircraft's wing▶ 1:24:20; recommended legislation to penalize incursions into fire traffic areas and TFRs▶ 1:25:44.

• Rep. Nancy Mace / gentle lady from South Carolina, Ms. [Biggs]▶ 1:50:11: Described 12,652 acres burned with 30% containment in her district▶ 1:51:13 and asked Farrell about FEMA Region 4 coordination during Hurricane Helene▶ 1:51:40 and Fetterman about West Coast wildfire drone integration strategies▶ 1:55:00.

• Rep. Delia Ramirez (D-IL)▶ 1:56:10: Criticized DOGE-driven staffing cuts and framing of drones as replacing human responders▶ 1:56:38, said DHS withholding congressionally appropriated funds violates federal law▶ 1:57:31, and pressed all four witnesses on privacy safeguards for drone-collected data▶ 1:59:14.

• Rep. [Not], North Carolina▶ 2:01:05: Questioned sanctuary-city spending relative to FEMA's budget▶ 2:01:27, asked Hendrickx about counter-drone technologies against cartels and gangs, including "white world" operations to identify authorized aircraft▶ 2:02:49, and asked Ledbetter about the cost gap and supply-chain barriers to NDAA-compliant, American-made drone components▶ 2:04:14.

Key moments

• Guest said CBP seized about 2,800 pounds of illicit narcotics via UAS-assisted operations from FY2020 through FY2023▶ 0:44:54.

• Correa cited Senate testimony from the top general at U.S. Northern Command that drone incursions along the southern border likely exceed 1,000 per month▶ 0:52:18.

• Kennedy said Secretary Noem stated on national television the administration intends to "eliminate FEMA," with reported plans to dismantle the agency by October 1▶ 1:00:31.

• Ledbetter testified a DIU "Blue UAS" refresh challenge drew 369 submissions but had resources to accept only 23 platforms and 14 components▶ 1:14:39.

• Hendrickx said cartels flew roughly 17 drones for every one flown by Border Patrol under the previous administration and described fiber-optic-controlled drones and bomblet-dropping drones now available at the border▶ 1:44:03▶ 1:20:57.

• Fetterman reported over 700 drone incursions by more than 400 different aircraft during the January 2025 LA fires, including one drone that struck a firefighting Super Scooper aircraft's wing▶ 1:24:49.

• Farrell described flying the 44-foot-wingspan Teros drone, with 24 hours of endurance, to broadcast live video to FEMA and the White House during hurricane response▶ 1:32:05.

• Ledbetter said NDAA-compliant American-made drone parts cost roughly three to five times more than DJI (Chinese) components▶ 2:05:53.

• Ramirez asked Fetterman yes/no whether FEMA funding cuts and gutting of research initiatives help first responders; he answered "no" to both▶ 1:58:02▶ 1:58:28.

• Ledbetter said China still manufactures 70–80% of the world's lithium-ion batteries, a constraint on UAS flight times▶ 1:15:58.

Metadata

CommitteeHomeland Security Subcommittee on Border Security and Enforcement
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateApril 1, 2025
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Mr. Michael Ledbetter — Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, COLSA Corporation
Mr. Bryan Farrell — Interim Director, Raspet Flight Research Laboratory, Mississippi State University
Chief Kevin Fetterman — Fire Division Chief, Division 4, Orange County Fire Authority
Mr. Jerry Hendrix — Executive Director, Rotorcraft Systems Engineering and Simulation Center, University of Alabama in Huntsville
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