Outside Witness Day

Defense Posture and Global ThreatsHouse Appropriations Subcommittee on National Security, Department of State, and Related Programs · April 2, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Appropriations Subcommittee on National Security, Department of State, and Related Programs convened this outside witness hearing to hear testimony from NGO, faith-based, health, and advocacy organizations on their fiscal year 2026 funding priorities. Begins at ▶ 0:06:46
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Outside witness testimony on FY2026 foreign assistance funding

Purpose

The House Appropriations Subcommittee on National Security, Department of State, and Related Programs convened this outside witness hearing to hear testimony from NGO, faith-based, health, and advocacy organizations on their fiscal year 2026 funding priorities. Chairman Mario Diaz-Balart and Ranking Member Lois Frankel used the hearing to press witnesses on which programs had been terminated or left unpaid amid the Trump administration's dismantling of USAID and broader foreign aid freezes. Begins at▶ 0:06:46

Who spoke

• Chairman Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL)▶ 0:06:46: Opened by criticizing the prior administration's "controversial and divisive" foreign policy▶ 0:07:16 and called for funding "effective, accountable programs"▶ 0:08:00; repeatedly asked witnesses which of their programs had been terminated▶ 0:23:45.

• Ranking Member Lois Frankel (D-FL)▶ 0:10:13: Called the Trump administration's dismantling of USAID "reckless and unilateral" and said it is "not only irresponsible, it is illegal"▶ 0:11:43; cited 260,000 children losing education programs▶ 0:13:05 and 113,000 tuberculosis patients affected▶ 0:13:30; repeatedly asked witnesses about terminated contracts▶ 0:39:14.

• Mr. John Nanni, Rotary's Polio Eradication Advocacy Task Force▶ 0:15:45: Requested $85 million for polio eradication▶ 0:16:14, described his own paralysis from polio▶ 0:16:45, and warned of up to 200,000 new cases if efforts stop▶ 0:18:16.

• Mr. Bill (Sean) O'Keefe, Catholic Relief Services▶ 0:19:47: Presented a "Catholic pro-life vision" for foreign assistance▶ 0:20:17; said 74 CRS programs serving 20 million people had been affected▶ 0:23:45.

• Ms. Jennifer Cervantes, Rio Grande Valley Sugar Growers▶ 0:24:43: Described the 2024 closure of a 51-year-old sugar cooperative due to Mexico's water treaty violations▶ 0:25:10, citing a shortfall of over 1 million acre-feet owed▶ 0:26:06.

• Mr. Elliot Brandt, AIPAC▶ 0:29:08: Cited 59 hostages held by Hamas, including five Americans▶ 0:29:48; urged continued $3.3 billion in security assistance to Israel and a permanent ban on UNRWA funding▶ 0:31:07▶ 0:31:56.

• Mr. Stan Soderstrom, Kiwanis▶ 0:32:51: Requested $2 million for maternal and neonatal tetanus elimination and $3.5 million for iodine deficiency programs▶ 0:33:23.

• Mr. Daniel Twining, International Republican Institute▶ 0:36:03: Advocated for NED and State Department democracy funding, noting it represents "1% of 1%" of the federal budget▶ 0:38:16; said 90 of 95 State/USAID democracy programs were terminated and hundreds of overseas staff lost▶ 0:39:43.

• Dr. Sania Nishtar, Gavi (referred to as "Dr. Reckless" in captions)▶ 0:41:20: Requested $340 million for FY2026, said Gavi has vaccinated over a billion children and saved nearly 19 million lives▶ 0:41:50; noted Gavi purchased $4 billion in vaccines from a $1 billion US contribution▶ 0:43:12.

• Dr. Ian Bickford, American University of Afghanistan▶ 0:44:38: Described the 2016 terrorist attack on campus that killed 13 people▶ 0:45:48; said USAID funding for degree programs was restored through June but a State-funded readiness program was terminated▶ 0:46:40.

• Mr. Mark Viso, Food for the Hungry▶ 0:47:35: Said the group reached 10 million people in 20 countries last year▶ 0:49:05; testified that a COVID-era contract was terminated and fully spent, while a larger 2022–2026 contract's status is unknown [1:01:29, wait]; said 1,500 staff would be terminated next week without further funding▶ 0:52:21.

• Ms. Shari Bryan, Mines Advisory Group▶ 0:54:31: Described demining and weapons destruction work in Peru and Ecuador, including destruction of over 6 million rounds of ammunition▶ 0:55:25, and linked Ecuador's 500% homicide increase to migration pressures▶ 0:56:11.

• Dr. Tamara Wittes, National Democratic Institute▶ 0:58:12: Requested $315 million for NED and $345 million for the Democracy Fund▶ 0:58:41; said the foreign aid freeze cost NDI 70% of program funding, with 93 of 97 awards terminated and nearly 1,000 staff lost▶ 1:01:01.

• Mr. Chris Collins, Friends of the Global Fight Against AIDS, TB and Malaria▶ 1:02:02: Requested $2 billion for the Global Fund's eighth replenishment▶ 1:02:31, noting the Fund reduced combined disease deaths by 63% and saved over 65 million lives since 2002▶ 1:03:18; described synergy with PEPFAR▶ 1:05:12.

• Mr. Blake Selzer, Edesia Nutrition▶ 1:06:43: Described Plumpy'nut ready-to-use therapeutic food reaching 26 million children in 65 countries▶ 1:10:03; said Edesia has not been paid since October despite active contracts, owed $24 million▶ 1:18:11.

• Ms. Carol Jenkins, World Learning▶ 1:11:25: Requested $741 million for State Department educational and cultural exchanges▶ 1:12:14; said 85% of ECA funding has been restored▶ 1:20:20.

• Mr. Chris Whatley, The HALO Trust▶ 1:14:21: Requested $290 million for conventional weapons destruction programs▶ 1:14:48; said demining operations were terminated in Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Malawi, and Yemen▶ 1:20:35.

• Mr. Spencer Knoll, Malaria No More▶ 1:21:16: Requested $795 million for bilateral malaria funding and $2 billion for the Global Fund▶ 1:21:50; cited 597,000 malaria deaths in 2023, mostly women and children▶ 1:22:18, and a $90.3 billion GDP impact analysis▶ 1:22:50.

• Mrs. Talin Yacoubian, Armenian Assembly of America▶ 1:24:57: Described displacement of 120,000 people from Nagorno-Karabakh▶ 1:24:57 and urged enforcement of Section 907 sanctions against Azerbaijan▶ 1:25:44; said all USAID programs in Armenia have been terminated▶ 1:27:11.

• Mr. Paul Hazen, U.S. Overseas Cooperative Development Council▶ 1:28:09: Requested $50 million for the Cooperative Development Program, noting its programs were terminated February 26th▶ 1:29:08; cited data showing cooperative members are 10-11% less likely to migrate to the US▶ 1:30:29.

• Mr. Peter Yeo, Better World Campaign▶ 1:33:47: Supported UN regular budget funding, citing UNODC's role combating fentanyl smuggling and a 25% drop in US overdose deaths▶ 1:35:24; noted 2023 marked the first locally transmitted malaria cases in the US in 30 years▶ 1:35:53.

• Ms. Giulia McPherson, Global Campaign for Education-US▶ 1:36:56: Requested $970 million for the Nita M. Lowey Basic Education Fund▶ 1:37:13; cited 251 million out-of-school children globally in 2024▶ 1:38:37.

Key moments

• Frankel said the Trump administration's dismantling of USAID without consulting Congress is "not only irresponsible, it is illegal"▶ 0:11:43.

• Twining testified that 90 of 95 State/USAID democracy programs were terminated and NDI/IRI-style organizations closed nearly all overseas offices, cutting 75-85% of staff▶ 0:39:43▶ 0:40:16.

• Wittes said the foreign aid freeze cost NDI 70% of its program funding — 93 of 97 awards from State and USAID were terminated, eliminating three-quarters of field offices and nearly 1,000 staff▶ 1:01:01.

• Selzer testified Edesia has received zero payment since October despite active, non-terminated contracts, and is owed $24 million▶ 1:17:59▶ 1:18:11.

• Viso said Food for the Hungry will terminate about 1,500 staff next week absent restored funding, having been carrying programs on private donations▶ 0:52:21.

• Yacoubian stated all USAID programs in Armenia have been terminated▶ 1:27:11.

• Whatley said HALO Trust demining operations have been terminated in Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Malawi, and Yemen▶ 1:20:35.

• Hazen said Cooperative Development Program activities were terminated on February 26, despite alignment with the administration's stated foreign policy objectives▶ 1:29:40.

• Bickford said a State Department-funded university readiness program for Afghan students was terminated this year, while separate USAID-funded degree programs were restored through June▶ 0:46:40▶ 0:47:11.

• Vice Chair Edwards closed by invoking Secretary of State Rubio's standard that aid should continue "if it doesn't make America safer or stronger or more prosperous, then we probably don't need to be doing it"▶ 1:43:18.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Appropriations Subcommittee on National Security, Department of State, and Related Programs
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateApril 2, 2025
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Mr. Elliot Brandt — CEO, American Israel Public Affairs Committee
Mr. Bill O'Keefe — Executive Vice President, Mission, Mobilization, & Advocacy, Catholic Relief Services
Mr. Blake Selzer — Director of Government Affairs, Edesia Nutrition
Mr. Mark Viso — President and CEO, Food for the Hungry
Ms. Giulia McPherson — Executive Director, Global Campaign for Education-US
Mr. Chris Collins — President & CEO, Friends of the Global Fight Against AIDS, TB and Malaria,
Mr. Stan Soderstrom — Executive Director Emeritus, Kiwanis
Dr. Tamara Wittes — President, National Democratic Institute
Mr. John Nanni — Member, Rotary's Polio Eradication Advocacy Task Force for the United States
Dr. Sania Nishtar — CEO, Gavi, The Vaccine Alliance
Mr. Peter Yeo — President, Better World Campaign
Mr. Daniel Twining — President, International Republican Institute
Ms. Jennifer Cervantes — Rio Grande Valley Sugar Growers
Ms. Carol Jenkins — CEO, World Learning
Dr. Ian Bickford — President, American University of Afghanistan
Mr. Paul Hazen — Executive Director, U.S. Overseas Cooperative Development Council
Mr. Chris Whatley — Executive Director, The HALO Trust
Ms. Shari Bryan — Executive Director, Mines Advisory Group – US
Mrs. Talin Yacoubian — Co-Chair, Armenian Assembly of America
Mr. Spencer Knoll — Director of U.S. Policy and Advocacy, Malaria No More
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