U.S. Military Posture and National Security Challenges in North and South America

Defense Posture and Global ThreatsHouse Armed Services · April 1, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Armed Services Committee held its fiscal year 2026 posture hearing for U.S. Begins at ▶ 0:15:36
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FY2026 Northcom and Southcom Posture: Border, Cartels, and China

Purpose

The House Armed Services Committee held its fiscal year 2026 posture hearing for U.S. Northern Command and U.S. Southern Command, examining homeland defense, border security, drug cartel and fentanyl trafficking, and Chinese and Russian influence in North and South America. Witnesses included Rafael Leonardo (OSD), Robert Salesses, Commander Gregory Guillot (Northcom/NORAD), and Admiral Alvin Holsey (Southcom), who addressed troop deployments to the southern border, Golden Dome missile defense, spectrum policy, counter-drone authorities, and China's Belt and Road influence. Members also pressed witnesses on tariffs and tensions with Canada, Guantanamo Bay migrant operations, and acquisition reform. Begins at▶ 0:15:36

Who spoke

• Chairman Mike Rogers (R-AL)▶ 0:15:36: Opened citing a 94% drop in border apprehensions in February and 52,000 fentanyl deaths in the year ending October 2024▶ 0:16:06; warned that auctioning DoD spectrum could jeopardize the Golden Dome missile shield▶ 0:17:46; later pressed witnesses on cartel responses to border closures and DoD acquisition delays▶ 0:37:35▶ 0:39:38.

• Ranking Member Adam Smith (D-WA)▶ 0:19:36: Questioned whether the level of military commitment to the border is necessary and its readiness impact▶ 0:20:04; warned that tariffs and rhetoric about annexing Canada risk damaging the NORAD partnership and defense-industrial cooperation▶ 0:21:25.

• Rafael Leonardo, OSD▶ 0:24:03: Said homeland defense is DoD's top priority per the interim national defense strategy guidance▶ 0:26:21, citing a 97% decrease in illegal border crossings▶ 0:27:14 and a $376 million cost to date for border operations▶ 0:40:33.

• Robert Salesses, senior adviser to the deputy secretary of defense▶ 0:28:56: Deferred opening remarks to Guillot and Holsey▶ 0:28:56; explained DoD's continued use of Guantanamo Bay to house high-threat illegal aliens due to ICE capacity limits▶ 0:41:49.

• Commander Gregory Guillot, Northcom/NORAD▶ 0:29:28: Cited growing China-Russia-North Korea-Iran cooperation and rising Russian bomber and submarine incursions▶ 0:29:55; said about 6,700 Title 10 troops are on the border with up to 10,000 ordered▶ 0:46:53; said DoD acquisition requirements are "solid" but fielding takes too long▶ 0:42:57; said Northcom is not conducting migrant detention▶ 1:24:14 and requested expanded counter-UAS authorities within 5 miles of the border▶ 2:22:24.

• Admiral Alvin Holsey, Southcom▶ 0:33:47: Said Southcom can only interdict about 10% of observed drug trafficking▶ 0:59:22; described declining cocaine prices and record interdiction pace over 190 metric tons▶ 0:38:43; said the U.S. needs more ships, aircraft and ISR assets and argued for "consistent, present, and engaged" posture▶ 1:00:23; estimated 9,000 troops would be needed to house 30,000 migrants at Guantanamo, which currently lacks hard-sided housing capacity▶ 1:36:33▶ 1:38:16.

• Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC)▶ 0:48:20: Highlighted the "axis of evil" — China, Russia, Iran — and asked about Belt and Road Initiative dynamics and Panama's withdrawal from it▶ 0:49:39.

• Rep. Joe Courtney (D-CT)▶ 0:53:02: Asked about growing Russian and Chinese submarine patrols near the U.S. coast▶ 0:53:31 and criticized new tariffs as damaging alliance cooperation▶ 0:56:20.

• Rep. Austin Scott (R-GA)▶ 0:58:26: Pressed Holsey on drug interdiction capacity (10% of observed trafficking)▶ 0:59:22 and Guillot on Chinese cyber threats to infrastructure▶ 1:01:49.

• Rep. Salud Carbajal (D-CA)▶ 1:03:41: Asked how diminished U.S. soft power (foreign aid cuts) affects competition with China and Russia in South America▶ 1:04:04; Holsey confirmed it makes the mission "more challenging"▶ 1:05:26.

• Rep. Rob Wittman (R-VA)▶ 1:08:26: Raised the December 2023 Langley drone incursions and asked what's being done to protect priority bases▶ 1:08:56; asked Holsey about Chinese critical mineral extraction in Peru▶ 1:11:11.

• Rep. Jason Crow (D-CO)▶ 1:13:31: Advocated for recapitalizing the Colorado Air National Guard's 140th Wing at Buckley Space Force Base▶ 1:14:02; asked Holsey about the deteriorating security situation in Colombia▶ 1:17:07.

• Rep. Trent Kelly (R-MS)▶ 1:18:59: Asked about state partnership programs (24 states with 30 countries)▶ 1:19:35 and engineer-unit civic-action projects in South America▶ 1:20:14.

• Rep. Jimmy Panetta / new member "Magcguire" [as transcribed]▶ 1:21:39: Asked about Iranian warship presence and Chinese telecom infrastructure control in Latin America▶ 1:22:07.

• Rep. Sara Jacobs (D-CA)▶ 1:24:04: Pressed Guillot on whether troops are detaining, transporting, or surveilling migrants at the border, confirming none of those activities are occurring▶ 1:24:40▶ 1:25:34; cited the Posse Comitatus Act and asked about training safeguards▶ 1:27:03.

• Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE)▶ 1:28:52: Asked about tracking hypersonic missiles and the HBTSS satellite system▶ 1:29:21; asked about the Maven Smart System for command and control▶ 1:31:05; asked whether trade friction is harming NORAD relations with Canada▶ 1:32:47.

• Rep. Jill Tokuda (D-HI)▶ 1:33:44: Questioned troop reassignment sources and costs for scaling Guantanamo Bay migrant operations toward 30,000▶ 1:34:12; noted over 30% of migrants observed there were "low threat"▶ 1:36:33.

• Rep. Jen Kiggins (R-VA)▶ 1:39:12: Asked about Northcom's cyber readiness for critical infrastructure▶ 1:39:42 and sealift/logistics constraints affecting Southcom and Northcom missions▶ 1:40:28.

• Rep. Gabe Vasquez (D-NM)▶ 1:44:07: Cited FY25 NDAA language making counter-fentanyl DoD's top counterdrug priority▶ 1:44:34; asked about plans to house migrants at Fort Bliss or Kirtland Air Force Base▶ 1:48:14.

• Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA)▶ 1:49:31: Pressed Guillot on redirecting F-15EX aircraft to the 159th Fighter Wing in Louisiana instead of Okinawa▶ 1:49:53; asked about tracking ICBMs and cruise missiles with/without Canadian assets▶ 1:52:52.

• Rep. Don Davis (D-NC)▶ 1:54:28: Asked how Southcom and Northcom coordinate on new cartel drug-smuggling routes, highlighting the new Joint Intelligence Task Force Southern Border in Tucson▶ 1:55:19.

• Chairman Rogers (second round)▶ 1:59:11: Asked whether Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua pose security threats and whether regime change would help▶ 1:59:28; pressed Guillot on cartel member estimates and fentanyl responses▶ 2:01:14.

• Rep. Gil Cisneros (D-CA)▶ 2:04:03: Stated DoD "is not a law enforcement agency"▶ 2:04:12; asked about Arctic climate change effects on Chinese/Russian shipping and naval presence needs in the Arctic and South America▶ 2:04:37▶ 2:07:28.

• Rep. Derrick Van Orden (R-WI)▶ 2:08:59: Invoked historical precedent for military action over the Panama and Suez canals▶ 2:09:00; pressed Leonardo on shoot-down authorities over Chinese balloons/UAS▶ 2:10:30; pressed Holsey and Guillot on lethal options against narco-terrorists▶ 2:12:48.

• Rep. Sarah Elfreth (D-MD)▶ 2:14:06: Asked about the U.S. icebreaker shortage (two functional icebreakers) limiting Arctic operations▶ 2:14:27 and whether threatening allies' territory undermines alliance-building▶ 2:16:21.

• Rep. Wesley Hunt (R-TX), referred to as "Mr. Maguire" in transcript▶ 2:17:41: Asked whether China has more ability to attack the homeland than four years ago▶ 2:17:52; discussed NDAA fentanyl/drone concerns and requested expanded 13(i) shoot-down authority within 5 miles of the border▶ 2:22:24.

• Rep. George Whitesides (D-CA)▶ 2:22:52: Asked about balancing space-based sensing with layered domain redundancy▶ 2:23:19; asked about the National Guard's FireGuard wildfire-detection program▶ 2:24:23; cited Canadian PM's statement that the old US-Canada relationship "is over"▶ 2:25:23.

• Rep. Jim Messmer (R-IN)▶ 2:26:52: Asked about implications of delaying the Next Generation Interceptor (NGI) program▶ 2:27:22 and whether a space-based interceptor is needed against hypersonic threats▶ 2:28:20.

• Rep. Jimmy Panetta-type / "Mr. Maguire" repeated speaker — see above.

• Rep. Maggie Goodlander (D-NH)▶ 2:31:45: Highlighted New Hampshire's 58-mile Canadian border and questioned whether a national emergency exists on the northern border (Guillot said none has been declared)▶ 2:33:51; asked about the importance of military lawyers and the firing of senior JAGs▶ 2:35:10.

• Rep. Jason Crank (R-CO), referred to in transcript as "Mr. Crank" — see below duplicate; also asked about spectrum's importance to Golden Dome▶ 2:46:39.

• Rep. Pat Fallon (R-TX)▶ 2:37:03: Established that cartel revenue, organization, and illegal migration (down 97%) have all been disrupted since January 2025▶ 2:37:52▶ 2:39:35.

• Rep. Derek Tran (D-CA)▶ 2:41:38: Asked how Northcom and Southcom coordinate against Chinese influence and whether additional authorities are needed (Guillot said none)▶ 2:44:39▶ 2:45:11.

• Rep. Jeff Crank (R-CO)▶ 2:45:41: Focused on Northern Command's Colorado Springs headquarters and spectrum needs for Golden Dome, with Guillot warning losing the 3–3.5 GHz band would be a serious loss▶ 2:47:48.

• Rep. John "Jon" — Virginia member ("Mr. Thank you, Chair John Go")▶ 2:49:42: Asked whether halting US-Canada military cooperation would weaken NORAD and Golden Dome, and questioned Salesses about the Signal chat controversy and JAG firings▶ 2:52:33.

• Rep. James Moylan (R-GU)▶ 2:54:53: Asked how Guam fits into Golden Dome missile defense and about the state partnership program with Palau and the Philippines▶ 2:55:19▶ 2:55:46.

• Rep. Bob Onder / transcribed "Mr. Bill" (R-MO)▶ 3:00:00: Asked about drone threats to NGA West in St. Louis and expanded 13(i) authorities▶ 3:00:23; asked about Haiti security assistance funding▶ 3:02:34.

• Rep. Addison McMurry / "Mr. Heracin" (R-NC)▶ 3:03:32: Thanked witnesses for the 97% reduction in illegal border crossings▶ 3:04:00.

• Rep. Jake Auchincloss / transcribed "Mr. Hey" (D-MA)▶ 3:04:26: Criticized administration policy toward allies — F-47 downgraded exports, Canada/Australia radar deal, Brazil trading in yuan, USAID cuts, Greenland/Panama threats — asking whether these undermine alliance-building▶ 3:05:24.

• Rep. Buddy Carter / "Mr. McCormack" (R-GA)▶ 3:09:51: Asked Holsey about countering Chinese fishing fleets in the Western Hemisphere and tools to strengthen partner nations▶ 3:10:19.

• Rep. Pat Ryan (D-NY)▶ 3:12:42: Described drone incursions near Stewart Air National Guard Base that forced an FAA shutdown▶ 3:13:12; asked about the reported plan to merge Northcom and Southcom and whether that would require congressional authorization▶ 3:16:32.

Key moments

• Leonardo reported a 97% decrease in illegal border crossings and a $376 million cost for the border mission over its first two months▶ 0:27:14▶ 0:40:33.

• Guillot and Holsey both answered "no" when asked if DoD's acquisition system delivers capabilities when needed, prompting a sharp exchange with Ranking Member Smith over contradictory statements on the requirements process▶ 0:39:38▶ 0:42:57.

• Holsey testified Southcom can interdict only about 10% of observed drug trafficking activity even with actionable intelligence▶ 0:59:22▶ 0:59:35.

• Guillot confirmed the DoD spectrum band from roughly 3 to 3.5 GHz is essential for Golden Dome and homeland missile defense and urged Congress to be "very concerned" about losing it▶ 2:47:48.

• Guillot stated Northcom forces are conducting no detention, transport, or direct law-enforcement action against migrants, and about 90% of active-duty activity is "detection and monitoring"▶ 1:24:14▶ 1:07:07.

• Holsey estimated it would take approximately 9,000 troops to house 30,000 migrants at Guantanamo Bay under the president's stated target, and confirmed DoD currently lacks hard-sided facilities for high-risk detainees at that scale▶ 1:36:33▶ 1:38:16.

• Rep. Van Orden asked Holsey and Guillot in their "professional military opinion" whether killing narco-terrorists and sinking drug-smuggling ships would reduce fentanyl deaths; both deferred to policy and authorities rather than answering directly▶ 2:12:48.

• Rep. Goodlander noted no national emergency has been declared on the northern border, in contrast to the southern border, per Guillot▶ 2:33:51.

• Rep. Ryan raised reports of a potential Northcom-Southcom command merger; Leonardo declined to confirm details, and Ryan noted bipartisan opposition from Chairman Rogers and Sen. Wicker to changes made without congressional collaboration▶ 3:16:02.

• Guillot said roughly 6,700 Title 10 forces are currently on the border with up to 10,000 ordered, and estimated troops would remain there "measured in years, not months"▶ 0:46:53▶ 1:08:03.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Armed Services
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateApril 1, 2025
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Admiral Alvin Holsey — Commander, U.S. Southern Command
The Honorable Rafael Leonardo
Mr. Robert Salesses
Commander Gregory Guillot — U.S. Northern Command and North American Aerospace Defense Command
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Transcript414 caption blocks · 31,506 words · 3:18:10 runtime
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