Military Department Personnel Chiefs: Personnel Posture

Defense Posture and Global ThreatsHouse Armed Services Subcommittee on Military Personnel · April 30, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Armed Services Subcommittee on Military Personnel convened to hear from the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force's top personnel officials on recruiting and retention trends, implementation of the FY25 NDAA quality-of-life provisions (housing, child care, health care, spouse employment), and the effects of DoD civilian workforce reductions and hiring freezes on military readiness and morale. Begins at ▶ 0:13:57
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Military department personnel chiefs on recruiting, retention, and quality of life

Purpose

The House Armed Services Subcommittee on Military Personnel convened to hear from the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force's top personnel officials on recruiting and retention trends, implementation of the FY25 NDAA quality-of-life provisions (housing, child care, health care, spouse employment), and the effects of DoD civilian workforce reductions and hiring freezes on military readiness and morale. Chairwoman Kiggins and Ranking Member Houlahan both opened with questions about whether quality-of-life reforms are being felt by service members and about the impact of civilian personnel cuts. Begins at▶ 0:13:57

Who spoke

• Chairwoman Kiggins▶ 0:13:57: Opened the hearing, praised recruiting turnarounds▶ 0:14:25, and asked witnesses whether FY25 NDAA quality-of-life reforms (housing, dining, health care, child care, spouse employment) are actually being felt by troops▶ 0:39:45; closed by raising the toll of frequent moves on military families▶ 0:50:38.

• Rep. Chrissy Houlahan, Ranking Member▶ 0:16:57: Cited a Blue Star Families survey finding only 32% of active-duty families would recommend service to a young relative▶ 0:17:48; pressed on civilian hiring freezes and Pentagon "scandals" affecting morale▶ 0:20:06, and later questioned witnesses about civilian-workforce impacts on service members left behind▶ 0:51:37.

• Lt. Gen. Brian Eifler, Army Deputy Chief of Staff, G-1▶ 0:22:21: Reported the Army exceeded its FY24 recruiting goal with over 55,000 new soldiers and is targeting 61,000 this year▶ 0:24:38; said about 16,000 Army personnel signed up for the Deferred Resignation Program and the Army is still assessing impacts without having made cuts▶ 0:53:09; noted the hiring freeze has slowed hiring of sexual-assault-prevention professionals▶ 1:01:54.

• Vice Adm. Richard Cheeseman, Navy Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Personnel▶ 0:25:28: Said Navy recruiters had their best contracting year since 2003 and are on pace to exceed the FY25 goal of 40,600▶ 0:26:52, with a goal of 100% rating fill by 2027▶ 0:27:45; warned the 10% pay raise was only funded for FY25 and urged an on-time budget▶ 0:41:55; said roughly 10% of his enterprise took the DRP▶ 0:54:52.

• Lt. Gen. Michael Borgschulte, Marine Corps Deputy Commandant, Manpower and Reserve Affairs▶ 0:28:34: Said the Marine Corps will make its recruiting mission again this year without lowering standards and surpassed 100% of its retention goal in the first three months▶ 0:30:24; noted Marines have a 9-to-1 Marine-to-civilian ratio versus 2-to-1 DoD-wide, meaning civilian losses have an outsized impact, with about 1,600 "civilian Marines" taking the DRP▶ 0:56:17.

• Lt. Gen. Caroline Miller, Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff for Manpower and Personnel▶ 0:32:45: Said FY24 saw delayed-entry-program levels at a 10-year high▶ 0:33:12; estimated the Air Force will lose about 12,000 civilians through voluntary reductions and is trying to avoid a RIF pathway▶ 0:57:42.

• Ms. Katharine Kelley, Deputy Chief of Space Operations for Human Capital [0:32:45 opening reference; first speaks 0:36:11]: Reported Space Force exceeded its FY24 enlisted recruiting goal by 4% and guardian retention is at an all-time high of 96%▶ 0:37:09; said the Space Force, a third civilian, expects to lose about 10% of its civilian workforce and called the impact "exponentially hard" given its small size▶ 0:59:06.

• Rep. (unnamed, "Mr. Isner") [0:59:58/1:00:29]: Referenced the 2021 Independent Review Commission on sexual harassment's 82 recommendations and the $44.5 billion funding request over roughly seven years▶ 1:01:26, and asked how the hiring freeze is affecting implementation▶ 1:01:26.

Key moments

• Houlahan cited a Blue Star Families survey showing only 32% of active-duty families would recommend military service to a young relative▶ 0:17:48.

• Eifler said the Army has about 16,000 personnel who signed up for the Deferred Resignation Program but has not yet made any cuts, and is still analyzing readiness impacts▶ 0:53:09; Houlahan pressed him on how there could be no impact from 16,000–18,000 departures▶ 0:53:56.

• Borgschulte revealed the Marine Corps' 9-to-1 Marine-to-civilian ratio versus roughly 2-to-1 DoD-wide, meaning civilian cuts hit the Marine Corps disproportionately hard▶ 0:56:17.

• Miller said the Air Force expects to lose approximately 12,000 civilians through voluntary measures and is trying to avoid involuntary RIFs, while warning of second- and third-order effects on recruiting▶ 0:57:42.

• Kelley said the Space Force is a third civilian out of a 17,000-person total force and expects to lose around 10% of civilians, calling the mission impact "exponentially hard"▶ 0:59:06.

• Houlahan summarized the panel's collective candor as ironic — services describing a "fire, aim, ready" approach where civilians are removed before impacts are assessed▶ 0:59:58.

• Cheeseman warned the 10% junior enlisted pay raise was funded only for FY25 and that a continuing resolution in FY26 would force trade-offs in special incentive pays to meet payroll▶ 0:41:55.

• Rep. Isner noted the 2021 IRC on sexual harassment's 82 recommendations, accepted by then-Secretary Austin, carried an estimated $44.5 billion, seven-year implementation cost, and asked how the hiring freeze is affecting that rollout▶ 1:01:26; Eifler and Cheeseman both acknowledged the freeze is slowing hiring of prevention-workforce professionals▶ 1:01:54▶ 1:02:08.

• Borgschulte said 60% of Marine Corps civilians ("civilian Marines") are veterans, and about 1,600 took the DRP, some with recruiting or child-care-related exemptions▶ 0:57:14.

• Kelley said the Space Force opened its first application window for reserve professionals to transfer in, with more than 300 projected transfers in 2025 and more interest than available slots▶ 0:38:46.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Armed Services Subcommittee on Military Personnel
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateApril 30, 2025
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Lieutenant General Brian Eifler — Deputy Chief of Staff, G-1
Lieutenant General Michael Borgschulte — Deputy Commandant, Manpower and Reserve Affairs
Ms. Katharine Kelley — Deputy Chief of Space Operations for Human Capital
Vice Admiral Richard Cheeseman — Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Personnel
Lieutenant General Caroline Miller — Deputy Chief of Staff for Manpower and Personnel
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