A Hearing with Sanctuary State Governors

Immigration Enforcement and Sanctuary PoliciesHouse Oversight and Government Reform · June 12, 2025 · 119th Congress
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee convened this hearing to question the Democratic governors of Minnesota, New York, and Illinois — along with a nonprofit legal advocate — about "sanctuary" immigration policies, following high-profile crimes committed by previously deported or undocumented individuals, including the death of Katie Abraham in Urbana, Illinois. Begins at ▶ 0:20:59
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Oversight hearing on sanctuary state immigration policies with three governors

Purpose

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee convened this hearing to question the Democratic governors of Minnesota, New York, and Illinois — along with a nonprofit legal advocate — about "sanctuary" immigration policies, following high-profile crimes committed by previously deported or undocumented individuals, including the death of Katie Abraham in Urbana, Illinois. Chairman James Comer opened by arguing sanctuary jurisdictions "shield criminals" and cost taxpayers, while Ranking Member Stephen Lynch used his time to condemn the deployment of the National Guard and Marines to Los Angeles under President Trump. The hearing repeatedly diverged into unrelated exchanges over rhetoric, National Guard deployments, the Senate Padilla incident, and the "big beautiful bill." Begins at▶ 0:20:59

Who spoke

• Chairman James Comer (R-KY)▶ 0:20:59: Opened by arguing sanctuary policies "protect criminal illegal aliens" not Americans▶ 0:21:26, cited Katie Abraham's death in Illinois▶ 0:21:53, and criticized Gov. Walz's "Gestapo" remark about ICE▶ 0:26:46; later pressed each governor on cooperation with detainers.

• Ranking Member Stephen Lynch (D-MA)▶ 0:28:16: Condemned the deployment of National Guard and active-duty Marines to Los Angeles without the governor's consent▶ 0:29:11 and Trump's suggestion of invoking the Insurrection Act▶ 0:29:11; described the detention of a Turkish student in Boston▶ 0:30:15.

• Gov. Tim Walz (D-MN)▶ 0:36:29: Said Minnesota is "not even a sanctuary state" and cooperates with ICE on convicted felons and judicial warrants▶ 0:37:31; defended his "modern-day Gestapo" comment about ICE throughout questioning▶ 0:56:37▶ 6:33:00; cited Minnesota's low crime rates and healthcare rankings▶ 0:36:59.

• Gov. JB Pritzker (D-IL)▶ 0:40:23: Said Illinois "follows the law" and that violent criminals should be deported▶ 0:43:29; described his great-grandfather's immigrant story▶ 0:41:50; noted 770,000 Illinoisans could lose health coverage under the "big beautiful bill"▶ 1:27:36; said Illinois has seven consecutive balanced budgets▶ 1:28:28.

• Gov. Kathy Hochul (D-NY)▶ 0:46:06: Called military deployment to LA "a flagrant abuse of power"▶ 0:46:38; described a Sackets Harbor ICE raid on a family▶ 0:47:50; said New York turned over 1,300 convicted criminals to ICE▶ 0:49:17 but does not perform civil immigration enforcement▶ 0:49:48; repeatedly declined to say whether Tompkins County was "wrong" to release Jesus Romero Hernandez▶ 1:35:35.

• Skye Perryman (Democracy Forward Foundation)▶ 0:50:45: Said her organization has filed more than 70 legal actions since inauguration day▶ 0:53:00 and that courts have ruled against the administration more than 170 times in under 200 days▶ 0:54:21; testified all children have a constitutional right to attend public school regardless of status▶ 1:15:57.

• Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL)▶ 0:34:05: Introduced Gov. Pritzker, citing his family's immigrant history and Illinois investments▶ 0:34:32.

• Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY)▶ 2:05:12: Cited the case of Gian Franco Torres Navarro, tied to 23 murders in Peru, hiding in New York under the "Green Light Law"▶ 2:05:43; sparred with Hochul over DMV data sharing with Canada▶ 2:06:27.

• Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH)▶ 1:30:56: Pressed Hochul on Jesus Romero Hernandez, a machete-wielding suspect Tompkins County declined to hold for ICE▶ 1:31:26.

• Rep. Byron Donalds (R-FL)▶ 1:54:06: Pressed Pritzker and Hochul on tracking of public spending on undocumented residents and Penn Station funding▶ 1:55:05.

• Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) [7:14:05... actually 5:14:05]: Alleged riots were funded by Chinese activist Neville Singham and questioned Walz about speaking at a "No Kings" rally▶ 5:14:05.

• Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) [4:24:28... actually 4:24:28]: Read the story of Laken Riley's murder and pressed Hochul on New York's sanctuary policies▶ 5:06:22.

• Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) [4:49:53... actually 4:49:53]: Pressed Walz on the "Gestapo" comparison and unrelated personal attacks▶ 4:49:53.

• Rep. Robert Garcia (D-CA)▶ 2:11:55: Asked governors to weigh the risk of Medicaid cuts against undocumented residents remaining in their states▶ 2:15:08.

• Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-TX)▶ 3:40:03: Cited tourism revenue losses and National Guard deployment costs of $134 million▶ 3:44:10.

• Rep. Maxwell Frost (D-FL)▶ 2:23:24: Asked governors how they would respond if federal agents tried to arrest them, citing Tom Homan's threats▶ 2:25:19.

• Rep. Robert Garcia, Rep. Jimmy Gomez, Rep. Sylvia Garcia, and other Democratic members asked further questions on healthcare cuts, ICE raids at schools/churches, and due process [various].

• Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC)▶ 1:14:18: Described a nine-year-old detained with his father in Torrance, California▶ 1:14:18, and asked Perryman about ICE in schools▶ 1:16:11.

• Rep. Tom Emmer (R-MN)▶ 1:19:53: Cited Minnesota bills granting healthcare, tuition, and driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants▶ 1:19:53; pressed Walz on his "Gestapo" tweet▶ 1:21:43.

• Rep. Brandon Gill (R-TX)▶ 1:43:25: Cited the murder of Jocelyn Nungaray in Texas and questioned Pritzker on abolishing ICE▶ 1:43:54.

• Rep. Suhas Subramanyam (D-VA) [7:22:53... actually 7:22:53]: Criticized the treatment of Sen. Padilla and asked governors about the impact of raids on communities▶ 7:23:25.

• Rep. Josh Brecheen / other members raised additional constituent-cost and enforcement questions throughout the afternoon session.

Key moments

• Chairman Comr displayed photos of Katie Abraham, killed by a previously deported illegal alien driving drunk in Urbana, Illinois, and pressed Gov. Pritzker on whether the driver "should never have been" in the country▶ 0:57:32▶ 0:58:26.

• Gov. Walz repeatedly declined to apologize for calling ICE agents a "modern-day Gestapo," while multiple Republicans, including Rep. Mace and Rep. Fallon, demanded an apology▶ 1:22:07▶ 6:34:47.

• Rep. Jordan's extended exchange with Gov. Hochul over Jesus Romero Hernandez, whom Tompkins County released despite an ICE detainer and federal arrest warrant; Hochul repeatedly declined to say the county's action was "wrong"▶ 1:30:56.

• Rep. Greene read a detailed timeline of Laken Riley's final minutes and told Hochul she was "responsible for the murder of this little girl," prompting a point-of-order objection from Rep. Mfume▶ 4:24:28.

• Mid-hearing, Sen. Alex Padilla was forcibly removed and handcuffed after trying to ask DHS Secretary Kristi Noem a question at a press conference in Los Angeles, which multiple members entered into the record and debated▶ 4:31:13▶ 6:46:39▶ 7:08:16.

• Gov. Pritzker said Illinois' large-lousy-law-related Medicaid cuts could leave up to 770,000 Illinoisans without insurance▶ 1:28:05, and Hochul said 1.5 million New Yorkers could be affected▶ 2:16:57.

• Rep. Emmer cited Walz's 2018 tweet supporting policies "that keep law enforcement from enforcing federal laws" and his 2025 commencement remark calling ICE a "modern-day Gestapo"▶ 1:21:43.

• Rep. Luna claimed the Los Angeles protests were organized and funded in part by a Chinese-linked donor network and referenced a letter targeting Neville Singham, tying it to Walz's planned appearance at a "No Kings" rally▶ 5:14:05.

• Gov. Hochul stated New York has handed over 1,300 convicted criminals to ICE since she became governor but does not perform civil immigration enforcement, which several Republicans characterized as sheltering criminals▶ 0:49:17▶ 2:05:12.

• Perryman testified that courts have ruled against the Trump administration more than 170 times in fewer than 200 days and that Democracy Forward has filed over 70 legal actions since Inauguration Day▶ 0:53:00▶ 0:54:21.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Oversight and Government Reform
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
DateJune 12, 2025
TypeHearing
Witnesses
The Honorable Tim Walz — Governor, State of Minnesota
The Honorable Kathy Hochul — Governor, State of New York
The Honorable JB Pritzker — Governor, State of Illinois
Ms. Skye Perryman — President and Chief Executive Officer, Democracy Forward Foundation
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