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Small Business Administration OversightHouse Small Business · 2025-07-22 · 119th Congress
The House Small Business Committee held a markup to consider five bills affecting the Small Business Administration, covering investment company leverage, rural outreach, pandemic-fraud enforcement, IT modernization, and manufacturing loan limits. Begins at 0:20:36
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House Small Business Committee marks up five SBA-related bills

Purpose

The House Small Business Committee held a markup to consider five bills affecting the Small Business Administration, covering investment company leverage, rural outreach, pandemic-fraud enforcement, IT modernization, and manufacturing loan limits. Chairman Roger Williams was absent for a family matter, so the committee was chaired by another member acting in his place, with Ranking Member Nydia Velázquez (D-NY) noting bipartisan agreement on four of the five bills and unresolved disagreement on the fifth. Begins at0:20:36

Who spoke

Presiding Chair (acting for Chairman Williams)0:20:36: Opened the markup, explained procedural rules for recesses and rolled votes0:20:36, and later spoke in support of each bill, including HR 20660:33:55, HR 45490:41:44, HR 44950:53:52, HR 44911:00:39, and HR 3174 on Williams's behalf1:02:41.

Ranking Member Nydia Velázquez (D-NY)0:23:12: Said the SBA serves 35 million small businesses0:23:12 and summarized support for four bipartisan bills0:23:32; said the committee could not reach agreement on the Made in America Manufacturing Finance Act but remained open to further negotiation on manufacturer loan limits0:25:000:25:29; later raised concerns about rising 7(a) default rates and lack of evidence for a $10 million loan cap on HR 31741:05:211:06:401:08:14.

Rep. Muer (sponsor, HR 2066)0:26:53: Said his bill, the Investing in All of America Act, would let SBICs deploy more capital in rural, low-income, manufacturing, and national-security sectors at zero subsidy cost0:26:53; cited $130 billion invested by SBICs over five years, including $1.3 billion in Pennsylvania, while less than 20% reaches low-to-middle-income communities0:27:460:28:05.

Rep. Colton (co-sponsor, HR 2066)0:29:44: Said small businesses make up 99.6% of Michigan's privately owned businesses0:29:44 and argued less than 20% of SBIC funds reach rural and low-income communities, calling this "unacceptable"0:30:140:30:30.

Rep. Goodlander (sponsor, HR 4549)0:36:47: Said the Office of Rural Affairs Enhancement Act responds to conversations with rural New Hampshire businesses0:37:17 and noted the office, created in 1990, has been chronically understaffed for 35 years0:37:38; said the bill mandates leadership with rural economic development experience and annual reporting0:38:070:38:28.

Rep. Downing (sponsor, HR 4495)0:43:57: Said SBA distributed over $1.2 trillion in COVID-era loans and grants0:44:19, with a 2023 SBA Inspector General report finding over $200 billion potentially fraudulent0:44:50; said the statute of limitations for RRF and SVOG fraud expires in December and his bill extends it from five to ten years0:45:120:45:43.

Rep. Conway (co-sponsor, HR 4495)0:46:31: Said an estimated one-third of the $1.2 trillion in pandemic aid went to fraudulent recipients0:47:40; cited 31 open OIG investigations, 25 charges, 14 convictions, and over $61 million recovered0:48:030:48:32.

Rep. Cisneros (sponsor, HR 4491)0:56:18: Said the SBA IT Modernization Reporting Act requires SBA to implement 11 GAO recommendations following flaws found in the SBA's contract certification system0:57:010:57:27; said the bill requires an implementation plan and congressional briefing0:57:27.

Key moments

Muer said SBIC-backed businesses have created 3 million new jobs and supported 10.5 million more over the past two decades, with the program operating at zero subsidy cost0:27:180:27:46.

Downing and Conway said the SBA's COVID-era programs delivered $1.2 trillion across 22 million loans and grants, with roughly one-third estimated to have been fraudulently obtained0:44:190:47:40.

Velázquez said cutting SBA agency staff by 43% undermines fraud-recovery efforts even as the committee extends the statute of limitations for prosecuting COVID relief fraud0:52:57.

On HR 3174, Velázquez argued SBA data shows 6,300+ manufacturing loans of $1 million or less versus only 362 loans over $3 million, questioning the need to raise the 7(a) loan cap to $10 million1:06:40.

Velázquez said 7(a) defaults have risen for three straight years to 3.7%, and manufacturing loans have the second-highest default rate in the program1:08:141:08:37.

The presiding chair countered that SBA modeling shows the proposed 7(a) fee structure would increase fees returned to the agency, keeping the program zero-subsidy1:04:29.

HR 2066, HR 4549, HR 4495, and HR 4491 each passed the committee by voice vote before recorded roll-call votes were requested0:35:340:43:090:55:101:01:34.

HR 3174, the Made in America Manufacturing Finance Act, passed as amended by voice vote without a recorded-vote request noted in the transcript1:10:501:11:08.

In the reconvened roll-call votes, all four bills subject to recorded votes passed 23-0: HR 20661:32:45, HR 45491:33:27, HR 44951:34:10, and HR 44911:34:50.

Downing said the restaurant revitalization fund distributed nearly $29 billion and the shuttered venue operators grant distributed about $15 million, both facing a December statute-of-limitations deadline for fraud prosecution0:45:120:49:00.

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CommitteeHouse Small Business
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
Date2025-07-22
TypeMarkup
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Transcript157 caption blocks · 7,900 words · 1:35:59 runtime
EventCongress.gov 118539