▶ 0:04:26The. Evening, everyone. >> welcome. Happy. Victor is aut any. I longer than usual this evening. Want to recognize erik schell.
▶ 0:04:50Serving professional staff member of the majority whose day is this friday summer, as worked his way to become deputy he's a vere step of the way.
▶ 0:05:17The pleasure to work you, and I wish enter a neg chapter. We're all we'll miss yt the rules.
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▶ 0:14:15In across the aisle utilize this 117th coe applicant as well the serious pg exercise, we do not need to come up with a amendments political points or fights. Our focus is on advancing and transparent process.
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▶ 0:15:41Any comments he wishes to make.I want to align myself with the remarks, uh, of doug lamalfa yos district and his responsibility. People with respect.
▶ 0:15:57Um with hir remarks about the most recent py recovery for both of. Them.
▶ 0:16:18I also want to join you in of myself and the thank eric for his years representatives. We did the verr his the professionalism he brought to his work. I'm not sure where he's going, but I be with him.
▶ 0:16:47Um, and um, uh, but for all your incredible madam cn , uh, here we are republican dyd . Disastrous inability to. People still don't republican ht the the united states is telling.
▶ 0:17:15He toy action in venezuela are on tv ss going on here. People groceries are going up. Committee debating, showerheadss beyond stupid. Um, so.
▶ 0:17:40Trying to finish last year's appropriations bills. I mean. That's what republicans are doing, that appropriations bill is one of the appropriations for commerce and science. And that includes forces and federal law enforcement. I just want commit, that. Every six.
▶ 0:18:07So these are some of the same ones who responded last enforcement offis were violently. And brutally beat mob that donald trump to the capitol building permaned injuries sustained.
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▶ 0:19:39Donald trump's name on the kennedy center to a great in 24t comes to memorial that is required. Officers who d democracy suddenly it's the left for years for years to build. The law is clear?
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▶ 0:20:29Erase january 6th and you people who s that day. Our democracy in its tracks. So shame. Speaker johnson, we're not displaying the january 6th memorial today e shower and consider that she. Is appropriation bills instead of urgently as our at this very moment. With that, madam chair,.
▶ 0:21:05Without objection, any may have included. Record. And now welcome. Russell fry. Um. From the committee on energy and record,e your I, I welcome your testimony.
▶ 0:21:42>> thank you. Chairwoman the rus committee for the opportunity to testify before you today. Pleast increasing affordability choicer force 593. The act and h.r.
▶ 0:21:571584, the affordable homes act significant certainty for manufacturers and ultimately american legislationo regulate surrounding shower.
▶ 0:22:15Under current law, the for showr head is when measured at a flowing, uh, water pressure square inch, and the shower head defined as quote, any showerheads, including handheld showerheads, a is a simple definition. Uh it was interpreted. In novel fashion by both and biden. After 30 years of no action.
▶ 0:22:43Uh asserted that the 2.5 gallons per minute to te individual per head consumers ae quality of the books intending to buy. The trump administration's term has returned additional congressionally a shower head actually is.
▶ 0:23:05The ar, swing of the political constantg interpretation of the. Law. H.r. 4593 delete by codifying showers being consistent, the american . Will clarify the maximum flow rate.
▶ 0:23:29Uh to apply, allowing consumers and water flow that desire, whether it is access to the shower head, young dairy and due regulations stand in the way of american of home ownership. Similarly, air affordable.
▶ 0:23:50Homes act, led by the gentlelady from indiana, helps address the affoy alleviating the burdens on what should be. The most, extra homes play a central our s affordable supply approximately 16.6 million americans resided the average income of you factored home buyer is $63,000, compared with
▶ 0:24:22The income home of about $103,000 for decades ad development has safety and building. Its mission and an expert make it uniquely s a result, energy.
▶ 0:24:42Of 2007, energy uh authority to set energy on these manufactured homes has major issues adding a second agency to this.
▶ 0:25:01This creates duplicative, unnecessary standard compliance costs, which typically are passed on to the l association of builders estimates.
▶ 0:25:15That 24% of the cars embedded all three levels local, federal and state that total is roughly $94 on factory build homes, it shows the full impact quality of all homes, including . Manufactured homes.
▶ 0:25:38Second, the based on the most recent international energy conservation code, the iec cc is intended for manufactured, pictd homes. These codes are meant tol authorities and can adjust theye characteristics of the homes on, manufactured homes not built on site. They are knowledge.
▶ 0:26:05Final location of the iik lines incompatible with not help it. Energy efficiency. Goals h.r. 5184 help morass by the department of energy for manufactured homes that hud maintained and will. The department of energy provide recommendations.
▶ 0:26:31However to hud, which is intended in the or returning common sense. There's affordability by reducing unnecessary burdens that have pf living, uh included appliances e laser focused on these discussed
▶ 0:27:02Today can. Result. Liz looking for the become a first time home buyer. My colleagues on the other for r creation of the situation, but n 2020 is matter, americans are exasperated with tired of beingd by the washington purchase for r
▶ 0:27:33Homes or what homes to bring relief to the american with thai yield back member polonia and I'm not maket bills to say I want made by a ranking member today about january.
▶ 0:28:05>> actually, uh, one of the officers who was that, one of td his, his had the commemorative service and I do or the guess, of the plaque that has not been put up to have it because it.
▶ 0:28:25Really upsets me to think not only has not put up the original plaque so that the is actually a was ay today that, but it really back here to do whatever um, ofr
▶ 0:28:57. Sir, who's from my district day. But back to the two, I, ma, I do to take some of the things you said in your opening remarks. I do not abouti know you regulate every.
▶ 0:29:17But that's as ye hear many times and commerce coe relate to energy very strongly r showered talked about common sense, but e to save water, try to lower
▶ 0:29:50Costs and efficiencies. These two in the past have been. And I don't know. The republican party that all of sudden urgency is a bad word. It isn't, um, these republican wins on the for them.
▶ 0:30:14I mean, right now grocery shop, uh recently are struggling to pay their utilities choosing ofs between necessities like housing, food and now of coursee going to have to vote this because a few january 1st, the the enhanced minimum te
▶ 0:30:51In the country that the cost for the of uh, fact that republicans refuse tot vote this week. I understand ant you should to get it pass without having to do with a handful of republicans.
▶ 0:31:14So I just to the ty lays the groundwork into. Waste scarce water utility. Bills by redefined. To allow these products to use more energy.
▶ 0:31:33And once this bill than I think houe republicans forget exactly whatt happen, which is is not about wr pressure. It really efficiency.
▶ 0:31:53Standards are should have to do with the during his first term, trump redefined showerhead because of over products actually exceed the manufactures that the manufacturers do not the manufacturers have not wanted any of these energy, which the republicans and the trump administration tried or in some.
▶ 0:32:25Recognized what money saving, efficient and conserving. So th. Reinforced his legacy of. It's okay to waste water and waste will result in higher care about pleasing the president.
▶ 0:32:46Now homes act is bece it robs manufacturers much needed and oh, and by, uh, it's just that the cost of utility bills over the long the home these efficiency.
▶ 0:33:10Standards save money over the course of being in home and basic. Bills. The department of energy authority to set energy costs homes and shifts the authority to the department.
▶ 0:33:27Federal agency that does not spend, which is core, having any the ae mentioned the act be responsiblr setting it. They never set the standard. And so that's.
▶ 0:33:53Why we'll just say the senate standard wasn't duplicate energy. Still. Had to consult with hud. This bill, this clearly says that to cooperate makes hud the lead.
▶ 0:34:13Agent, the department of energy and hud has a standards and doing anything with regard to energy efficiency doe's, uh, basically.
▶ 0:34:30Residents and $475 per year savings by saying that we standard there's no sense to me just want to show us, madam chair, uh, the is to address the affordable crisis I, when the house efficiency care t
▶ 0:35:03. All the reasons that, the members to reject these the proe floor. But hoping these bills for the reasons I and. >> thank you, Mr.. Uh, I'm not going to ask any questions. Say republicans do.
▶ 0:35:27Quincy think the people who are living in manufacturing particularly care about energy because they're low I. Can own I and, and uh, and do but want toe
▶ 0:36:03Called the housing. That's already. For the very people who are buying it. And so we'll disagree a little bit. On what we think want to assure you and efficient of. All kinds. Um with the.
▶ 0:36:30A homeowner, look for efficient costs for my families. So I rely . This continuing. Appliances, the suds act, the huge and enduring. The half. Um, but I the Mr.?
▶ 0:36:57That'sn showerheads issue, which is, uht sometimes comes in regulate and regulate small things.
▶ 0:37:16>> I think at the end where , uh, and for 30 years, um, actually was got this. Wrong.
▶ 0:37:34So we're going to change the that limits consumer people if they to go by their decision to think uh. Uh. But this boom of washington dc which is we're going to going to we'ro limit what we think is best for you.
▶ 0:38:01And I think that's just fundamentally who we are as a party ran on or something. >> you addressed. No. >> this is any bills, miss scanlon, that you've probably sponsor up plate. Can pamphlet and so you t on member alone brought before us and.
▶ 0:38:25Can hear of the, uh, less than a week to the affordable care. Is going to thw health insurance, uh.
▶ 0:38:46>> and I do session with water pressure about showes and dishwashers and likely incentive. But can you tell me if there's a a cbo score? >> there was in the report.
▶ 0:39:10>> no, I don't know if I do yeai think the concern here from the republicans, you know, the. Homs going up. That's. Because of the trump harris. Right? Because so many good going out.
▶ 0:39:38>> and I think that's because of the trump tariffs. Frankly, a lot of these things are important from cat matter is thy for manufactured homes I don't know why.
▶ 0:39:53Maybe because they're just done as you maybe because they're cheap or any percent higher per square compared so if you buy one of these homes and of course, that said, you know, they, they, they buy the they don't realize. Their energy bills over the life of this. Or maybe they don't have a choice.
▶ 0:40:22Right so all would you efficiency is try to bring those costs down this person who paying these huge utility bill now. The probn setting a was republican or but they because that's not their focus.
▶ 0:40:49That's right that said that it be the doe they did right out and the repue saying, well, we don't want coss not going to or it's to cost, particularly over the life of the suggest, obviously, all the efficiency.
▶ 0:41:17But if you really put the agency in charge and you wouldn't, uh, cost a lot less, uh, for people, many of whom are low income. Uh, but I want to k, as you suggest, just. Keep seeing all these energy efficient. And I keep saying over and over again, they're going to save, care about energy efficiency, then you would because they are.
▶ 0:41:53>> and that remains my concern. Well, the, um , ignoring the efficiencies that do exist, looking at the over te of these fixtures , and uh, in failure to addressg picture issues like energy on nu
▶ 0:42:31Know, showerheads and what I appreciate you bringing some facts to us. And. >> thank you, Mr.. I you bringig this to the floor in with the m, with the were trying to abide they couldo it.
▶ 0:42:58I it was going to drive the cost of manufacturing has 20 people. But they had a blower that to put instead of sixes. The roofs not want this, they want this polished. They is determine.
▶ 0:43:23The products said that they efficiee can afford them. Uh issue. Hotes get in around to get a drop relieve pressure. So it's.
▶ 0:43:53Biased and government has no getting in two issues. Uh, and t people couldn't afford cost. You're not going to be because s not going to they're not going to be able to put know this. And uh, so, um. I believe the rules committee, it should listen to tell you.
▶ 0:44:31>> thank you, madam year. It's good to see you. Great to. Uh, I didn't, I know I join all my colleagues in praying. For doug lamalfa settlements, uh, to be an.
▶ 0:44:54Incredibly decent and kind of great initiatives and thing in rural california and my constituents, uh, missed. And, t with his., uh, great. I hope you had a good ch.
▶ 0:45:21All right, fry been out of the for 20, 23 days. The house was. We are thef the 100. This is on the..
▶ 0:45:38The first republicans have house floor is a bill fry. That's correct. Okay probably imagine, I if the billi really dig in in taking say pri.
▶ 0:46:21Reflecting the bill that they've decided you you. Hosted any town hall congress, Mr. fry ? >> terrific. And I'm hopeful. I'm hoping more about let's do n halls. Uh, in college, I western colorado. Colorado? Before wifem colorado. You're kidding. Grand junction, get out from grand jur mesa. >> actually. Yeah.
▶ 0:46:49Cool represea number of counties that aren't too far from rifle jackson county. You're probably familiar with it. I'm >> not sure where it's at. >> are you sure it's up. Very rl county, about 1500. Uh uh, voted for donald trump. Actually the county, 76% of the vote. Good county in 2024. I you. I love jn county.
▶ 0:47:17It's a wonderful place and second, the day a few years went up to jackson town hall in walden college, the next time you're your family, uh, grand junction, maybe we can convince you to hall. We talked about a lot with the republicans. We talked about tariffs. We talked. About ranching. We talked about economic. Do you what's the one topic Mr.
▶ 0:47:46Frey, I think you're about to tell. >> go ahead or hits shower county or a. >> none of them did would thinkr best interest. That's interesting. Colorado or the american people for that matter.
▶ 0:48:11The very congress reconvening showerheadi suspect that's not. Particularly surprising to you. Am I wrong s. >> is he coming yet a couple tis about. >> I think to say is going to qualify this isu about a number of things.
▶ 0:48:37This is, again, as a but it is a big0 years. This is unimpeded since 1935. And it wasn't until the infinite wisdom of the obama administration firm by the decided to change what hd been the state for 32 years. >> and so has this and the whol, Mr.
▶ 0:49:02News, is that washington, to create solutions for this is noe in the morning. I agree, if they want energy efficiency, if they want an energy efficiency, surey that. But why? Washington's been to legislate or rest america dos opposed to that the ivory tower washington sit here and say, if democrats and their.
▶ 0:49:31Bureaucratic establishment are are they not willing to write? I that's the crazy part of this whole this okay see that it's still a. Problem with a lot of it. >> I'm ask you, I think questioh was I think, is this coming up in your town a problem with wha? We're american washington, dc. .
▶ 0:50:02Coming in regulating that to gri hear you, Mr. frey. >> and I'm not trying to disabuse you. Clearly, your fork you could look at us what? It hp with town halls. I've held in c, south carolina has put the town halls, but I think it's a problem we're solving. I think that would be a more candid answer. Yes the question any wat you.
▶ 0:50:29Suggest to you, notwithstanding the merits, bill, is. That there are far uns debating first date that we are seeing the second session.
▶ 0:50:50I do not think, your cs in south lena trump my districtt the framers in mind. I don't this, you know, the notion that we would was debating the regulation of shower as you know, you attested to this this issue,
▶ 0:51:23The rule that umbrage at on behf americans across the country thr shot, he put it, or he directed the department of energy to repeal it compelled them to repeal. Repealed this rule. So the rule is >> that's correct. >> correct.
▶ 0:51:46And again, to put a finer point on it via the agency . Has rescinded the rule. That it is no longer now the law of the land. Your agency's decisioa rule. That's what we're I'm jusy suggesting to you know we served together, sherry . Committee. Produced a number of very serious topics.
▶ 0:52:14On broadband deployment I mentione, the people that I'm privileged to serve in jackson, you're human trafficking, which I know another area that. I'm simply here. Is there any way you can convince speaker johnsof those bills, rather than wasting everyone? I'm not.
▶ 0:52:37You deciding to spend all of our time this week that's all I'm is. This is justs that if the biden focused on safe water, same on showerhee wouldn't have no problem in we , uh, illegal criminals in our ine focused on zeal that they focusn
▶ 0:53:09Showerheads. Maybe we, the economic now and so you can make light of the this is what washington does just is take. Something like this a shower head and they that that are impg americans immigration in the stf how many people felt we focus on those things. >> that's why I think we are ahead.
▶ 0:53:37>> but you're you're you're you're bringing up something, uh, you're the shower head. Buts in the same way as, you know what if, in his infinite wisdom, uh a showerhea, maybe instead of doing it or coming up with a government for, maybe if they just on the immigration problem or the economy, maybe we wouldn't have the problems. Republicans to cl.
▶ 0:54:07>> well, the chairwoman has that simply say I be a lot of people making the exact argument that majority's decision showerheads, but any number of other ludicrous bills that have.
▶ 0:54:27But n working the just identified fron addition to bill and any matterk would the. Attention of, do you just speak to the borders? I'm sure I woman. Indulge me. >> I appreciate that. >> I, uh, yield the you. >> this is this is, uh. >> madam.
▶ 0:54:59>> I don't really just want to reiterate. Author said good rules been enacted by previous admin have. To have legislation that said these stupid rules of america should have to abide by.
▶ 0:55:18But that I will say I like gasping where I wonderful and, d back miss leisure for this. You're recognized, madam. Chair. >> and january 6th. >> can?
▶ 0:55:50You know, we really should all the screams. The al people of washing from the floor. Those we halls walking, were being back and.
▶ 0:56:03Hurried back to our office and tallied before, on january 5th, because I just been sworn in, walked down can get the dish states cad to overturn all the united. States government.
▶ 0:56:29I is trappede election directed president. Thank you. Any now you're new. >> new who we don't say their names. >> hey. Their names. Biden's.
▶ 0:56:58Hd lee been good. Kyle the. Fred and gunther. And trump then the violent offenders who sent those officers or their death.
▶ 0:57:25And not one and noy republican colleagues as party. Those who officer, it's e rest of it, but gas with batons, with all kinds of things that led to hospitalization, one.
▶ 0:57:50Bond this 5th january sixth bill. So out. Of whack, cans want on right ? That's what you it's true mily intervention and even one that yes maduro is a dictator.
▶ 0:58:13Democs convicted like convicted. Convif drug crimes. And republicans aren't saying anything.
▶ 0:58:42And it's not about the about the drugs. It's about how . We're going to secretary of state mark oliver. And war. >> I'm doing out. >> do shower head? They want to be addressed republicans were. The big was by failing to extend those taxes, renamed the the war, and then.
▶ 0:59:11E spent on that best two and we au know were soldiers american side during world.
▶ 0:59:37Bigo put. A war powers resolution today we listening shower head. My phone. I don't know about you guys has your into a war. One grandma called .
▶ 1:00:17>> a call about that. I'm the rk else that you want. Towards. To the bills before us today.
▶ 1:00:37It'st mentioned brian selznick, which I was murdered. >> uh, from my, um, the ocean io understand about bipartisanship, that. Gave the department of energy.
▶ 1:01:06I keep stress not only the one bed be mentioned, is the fact, uh, uh, or any of the departments that standards, but it's usually why do we have to take the cost into
▶ 1:01:39Consideration? The law says that if these are in head or the mand home can be made law to actuallp in mind the this overregulation cares about in fact it's just the opposite. These.
▶ 1:02:07These democrats and republicans to make things cheaper. Us as well as the energy efficiency and ths for the homeowner in period of t they're in
▶ 1:02:37Average, that it it really does. But I think from the remarks you made. >> but uh, so thank you. >> no, thank you very much. Is o remember that we're trying to say uh, I am that you brought. $576 for loan.
▶ 1:03:05I want to truly building repairs. >> the going up. Significant. They. Have it. Um, it's not. Because of energy costs. It's because.
▶ 1:03:25So the matt homes in states and >> right now. >> thank you. Um, um. Hello? Are you okay. >> thank you, miss thank you vem chair.
▶ 1:03:51Uh federal agencies repeatedly expected regulations increasing upfront costs. For products and housing and constant changes in rating the norm. Families paid the price for us today broader effort to correct course. And they regulatory clarity, predictability for our consumer.
▶ 1:04:22Duplicative work. These bills will help bring down costs and consumers. To make choices that work. Uh, representative fry, we've heard a lot being side ofe bills.
▶ 1:04:38>> uh, is there anything clarifw these bills would just say that both these bills prioritize consumers consumer choice, their, uh, affordable housing products, uh, housing, uh, a huge issue, uh, always has.
▶ 1:04:58Um, but especially for first time home buyers, think a very pivotal and critical role home buyers also a choice to right that if somebody wants a shower head when you're headed and that's completely with on the of they want a product dispense them, that's within their right to at
▶ 1:05:29Its core about. Authority from washington, dc and return where. And just before I of quick and e committee and remembering that truly well committee as you served smile and, uh
▶ 1:06:03, and a very warm he will be, uh , very much I. Can you're author of one 5184 the affordable chai. >> um.
▶ 1:06:22Wife as well as allowances lamalfa, e washington speak from my. Speak would be using.
▶ 1:06:57Deeply missed. Uh, and friend to many in this chamber affordables act and solution to help reduce the make home a reas of important to focus roots of e ownership lead for children and, our generations for a
▶ 1:07:30Future, uh, being home. The bill stripping authority by restoring was the sole for manufactured housing removes duplicative authority that increased. The causing were.
▶ 1:07:58And I would rather get into a home, died standards and would like to have in their home theme home, doesn't they can't affordn collaboration adopted the bill t
▶ 1:08:30Preserves the department of exp, energy efficiency, part of the process without being or unworkable mandates and better energy this regulatory regimes s the product, when it results in increased cost and impeccable g.
▶ 1:09:09Want to be clear clarity. We want manufacturers and the. Homes that families can afford n argument that. Valuable even when it introduces a pursuit of a higher efficiency standards should a regulatory regime fits the market, I think more regulation, uh, should be and td
▶ 1:09:47Consumer. The regulation which I think your bill addresses is and same way, your bill sure. >> to remove bear that will products? American. Consumer.
▶ 1:10:14>> and I think we go back society of uh, so this isn't some arbitrary thought of right. This is the actual standard organization. And, uh where it .
▶ 1:10:37>> and consumers will as if shot trickles from the shower purchat higher water pressure. >>. Talk to people like plumbers and components of thess that don't the what the obama. D then later imposed uh, the actual.
▶ 1:11:03Plumbers go in there and they, they, they uh, what uh in regulation is coming from not something that we're at all surprising. Let's, let's returnt piece argument here, right? That.
▶ 1:11:26This is the, the, the work that we're isn't prioritized free choice ba government. In that the american people don't want.
▶ 1:11:47>> I think I ran for office uh, you and one of the biggest complaints sidese aisle is that why the. Heck the law that we have to follow are this them from, so for washington, for us, a some extent, it feels like playing a game of whack a mole. Uh, that. Is not working.
▶ 1:12:11And you try to get in a closet somewhere, came up with this new rule. Uh back to the american people where it belongs. Fundamental importance to us in congress, uh, isn't of. >> well. So back jurisdictional dispute.
▶ 1:12:38Clear ownership in one agency, one standard? Isn't that also better through agencies has the abilito enter that ultimately just market? >> you just hit the nail. It is that maybe believe that the agency's working there . Like holding hands while they're doing this.
▶ 1:13:07Not proven to be the case. I mean, since the implementation in 2000, str, you've had conflict you've had e hurdles and so. Right. Or the manufacturer who they go one sag and another, we've seen that over and over again in don't ofn work in concert with each other
▶ 1:13:37, opposition making it very confusing actors, but also american people, um, this freede whose. Position we saw this with the ev. Appliances in your homes? Take .
▶ 1:14:10My. Bill is focused on. Let's get people in that opportunity to have the american dream by reducing cost of a home, the efficiency standards that they can if let's get them into a home with the sr act. Uh I have. To say this, um, I have this choice away from to support. It.
▶ 1:14:41The time and I yield back ocean. >> well, thank you for, uh, like many of my colleagues on Mr. lamalfa, um, first and foremost, I should also for Mr. baird. But it's been said Mr. lamont was chairman of the west. Uh, um, a foremost and not also forestry issues. Good the s , uh, an issue that.
▶ 1:15:11Was a an avowed and over, camped out at races. And, um, it's. Special motor speedway. So we talked a lot about, uh, urge everyone,, m sure, leads to legislation and I a lot has been covered.
▶ 1:15:38Uh, but about the factors, uh, because we talked consumer choice. You I know earlier this too had an appliance issue direct a very congressional revw session that we had because for me, it was workers in my desk, clients who were going to be put out of business because, we debd that on the floor. Mr.
▶ 1:16:05Pallone conversation about it as to theg element here. Inconsistency seems to be hard for manufacturers and incentives for them to hire more workers. And if they have regulatory see year after administrations. Welcome on thar the question.
▶ 1:16:26I think when you look at, you know, not a new tht congress had legislated signed d the 30 year old overregulated ta administration and so manufacturers all of a sudden, y out of. Straightforward law.
▶ 1:16:54I think, ut it right.. Biden-harris administration, the fourth thing was mentioned earlier. Can't thy with an executive order? Well, he did it. And buried the issue right what was originally intended.
▶ 1:17:13Uh, but it didn't so we have this ping g going on consumers, but also the extras who are trying to figure out what a regulatory framework looks like. 2 to 4 year cycles. >> well, I appreciate one of the cornerstones of our campaign to the majority. And this I also want to commend, um, not just your of her legislation.
▶ 1:17:45Will, uh, incentivize choice, uh, firstly, reduce. The cost of living, which is what we were elected to do. Thank you, Mr. jack. >> I no further questions, but I to make one final, and I think the is very important here. And someone else said, wonder what the founder about our dealing. With these bills.
▶ 1:18:14They'd that st into begin with. Never in their just imaginations would they have assumed letting both .
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▶ 1:20:26You not not not. >> I. Now welcome and ranking member, dolores from committee on appropriations. Your full state record.
▶ 1:20:55And summarize youn five. Chairman cole, I welcome you very and chair. >> uh, woman. Fox the ranking member. Governance esteemed members of the rules committee. I want them in your kind invitation to testify today. >> I before you. Today on h.r. 6930.
▶ 1:21:20>> and science, energy and development, and measures for fiscal bills are ta bipartisan and bicameral such, and they are compromise product. With both parties in both chambers of congress.
▶ 1:21:42This committee has long sought to operate in a today's package, we fulfill that long standing committee on is a reminder for all the consensus, not partizan obstruction is just preferable package is the second step forward bills for fiscal year enact the law, r first bill package.
▶ 1:22:09Today we build on we accomplish and weeks I look forward again with additional just with the goal of completing 2026 funding by the january measures, I have full year for f those crucial, uh of justice bee fulfill its important from
▶ 1:22:41Wrongdoers, including like the l . We energy and safe getting, uh, critical mineral resources essential wile action programs will aid in safy programs like the weather in norman, oklahoma, will likewise continue army corps of engineers will continue its
▶ 1:23:13Development and control, as will the department. Of energy's critical programs, nuclear weapons on and seize the 3 billion package provides for countless.
▶ 1:23:27Critical programs that assist the all include members requested funding durint congress contains of the purse d members and committees to address their most pressing needs. It's.
▶ 1:23:46Important is what this package does not do, avoids spending outcome was a high priority for many members the aisle. Certainly myself, and we accomplished bills that the committee left, thereby taking another strong step toward the appropriations process.
▶ 1:24:13Um, thank you for look forward to your questions. Thank you. >> Mr. have mentioned the former chair of this committee right. For five minutes. Thank . Uh, chairman fox ranking member mcgeady. I happy new year.
▶ 1:24:37And thank you for the testify be here alongsit on the appropriate whose partnership greatly appreciate, uh, I'm funding package for us today, which was largely by three extra subcommittee ranking members. Congresswoman marcy kaptur shelley meng.
▶ 1:24:58They, along parts and many staff who I regard as the best and the brightest throughout the holidays. And we're able to forge a common sense of bipartisan, bicameral, oh, there there press and elsewhere who were scared that this funding and would have support after this week, they will consider skepticism will abandoy
▶ 1:25:30. We set out began this process to protect our any poison pill and congress's I'm proud to report this package accomplishes all three of these goals, and that's why my. Colleague pointed out we do provide the projects and. >> um, and that's for both.
▶ 1:25:57Republican members and investments to bring down energe crucial, crucial drivers of affordable probably one of the biggest issues to increase increased utility costs for families today. Electrical grid by $375 million. It 3 million for the weatherization program, which helps low energy efficiency of their homes.
▶ 1:26:25$370r on average at a time when families are brought these savir more than ever. Despite. The trump administration's crusade. Provides more than $3 billion for energy efficient energy programs, rejecting the white house attempts to cut funding by . Over $2 billion.
▶ 1:26:54This is force storms. Bill increases for the army corps by nearly $2 billion, so projects that water infrastructure, improve climate communities natural disasters, the for violence. Women uh grants by 7 million crucial abuse.
▶ 1:27:19Who ote would know where our nation's nl parks and the lands oil and gas leasing and protections species9 for the epa, almost doubling the funding that the this bill.
▶ 1:27:39Anor highlight protecting research administration that wants to funding the indirect costs of research shifting to individualt the public, as well.
▶ 1:27:57This is something chairman cole and I have for the nih and protectione national science for department of that there may be some of my democratic colleagues who funding for administration. Uh, and administration. I.
▶ 1:28:22Again whe thumbing the concern, but abandoning the regular appropriations to rein in this s forfeit our authority to fight for the to us.
▶ 1:28:39Our constituents, and if we choose o send an appropriation, we then e management and abdicate congress's power of the purse. Only two alternatives a permanent, endless funding on auto pilot. Those ar.
▶ 1:29:09Limited circumstances should on them as the default option as I would, federal. Spending full year spending bills through regular tribal, legally binding. Funding levels for the position precision than white house is discretionary spending.
▶ 1:29:32And budt is in weapon, I see what you hear, but walking away from process admitting. What will be perfect. No, of course nothing's vice versa. I'm sure the chairman, in fact, in both.
▶ 1:30:05Highlighted the fact that the package does not include on whaa until what they thought were package. Howel together have are progressing at a pace urging as of this work and avoid is testament to s
▶ 1:30:42The committee course, chairman cole. Our counterparty. This bill is a reasonable I and I will be proud to do so mer dillon I .
▶ 1:31:06Just want to say thank you ans evening that it was. >> but, um, but I a bipartisan bill um, and you're both so appreciate the fact back to reg. >> is it is will not believe your point. >> Mr. mcgovern, your recognized. >> oh thank being here.
▶ 1:31:35A biparn package any questions I have, it's needlessly the nice.l I will yield back my time mcgovu for the only question, new
▶ 1:32:08Way, but it was and a justice ar initiative fraud and that has know it's a small amount of money that's problem. Uh. >> I understand you're doing is . Dealing with the details and I would just not legitimate. Then it will.
▶ 1:32:42And if it is legitimate in taxation, uh, that, uh it is aly carefully. Uh. That we're dealing even with the tax nonprofit group to see, uh, be happy to you when we get all the details that.
▶ 1:33:06Uhe working on it counting and just for this for e been sides in all of the time dealt with community that those are not reasonable yet.
▶ 1:33:33Tn you're not included. >> okay. >> thank you Mr. norman. Miss. >> thank ranking member. Well, I do want to recognize. Efforts to produco fund parts of the government for this are less than ideal conditions.
▶ 1:33:57Uh, um appreciate your efforts to form meaningful policies in the bill to administration of congress's weo appreciate your fighting include the spending in the bill. >> okay. Thank you. Go back. Thank you.
▶ 1:34:25>> madam chair just want to know, because I do you think the that there's 1.5 billion, but there's 1.075 billion. There's another 1.7 billion. Those there's over 3 billion. Project. Not 1 billion. Is 3 billion.
▶ 1:34:51Noi wrong, Mr. go on bill. Or if tha little just let me just say 50,000. >> I think here you. You put them.
▶ 1:35:18>> it is provide it for over 3000 community project funding and. Congressionally directed spending two 2 billion for 900 on the. Projectt that. Those are the accurate figures.
▶ 1:35:43>> I thought you said, oh, I, , I did for the , projects. >> so but other know 5 billion e prop six as well it, right? Yeah >> that point, uh gave you 2 bin for 900 from republican 0.4.
▶ 1:36:11Tht is congressionally directed tribes. And we have. Yeah, we the 5.6 bs the senate congressionally directed. Money. >> yes. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, read from the numbers that you've written, right. >> the house bill 2,000,000,001.4. So it's 3.4. >> okay.
▶ 1:36:39So what the senate number is somewhat been pretty correct? >> well, just I mean, they've le we've been through here. And part of bill, which is the way in which the projects you are, uh, I meant they have, requirements.
▶ 1:37:07>> but you gave of 5.6 billion, but that includes t the five, six, 6 billion is nots language I yeah. The there as ws the house.
▶ 1:37:27Right these will point out the overall collectively, these three bills are actually uh so to be my next question, but maybe >> then on the how to get. Uh, e bipartisan. Man, I am glad we're spending less money with the deficit as a series. Um amo. >> I'm.
▶ 1:37:57But you know, I realize that in these appropriation measures, I end up in another shutdown like we did last time. >> and I would point out, you know, again, 99% of our public has voted to keep the 99% of ths has voted to keep it closed. Tit down, uh, as we push to shut yi. >> thank you. >> thank you, Mr. this.
▶ 1:38:25Thank you. >> so and thank you so much, chairman. Thank you. >> remember, it's supposed you u negotiate, you want. Maybe republicans get more because a majority of what you and chairmt to really thank you because I mean care that this budget honors trust responsibility.
▶ 1:38:53These well I have very willing partner in that, uh, very happy to work. >> I know you had it. Uh it metl the standards and we very happys a big deal in the taco bell deal. >> and it is indeed a thing that you've done to make uh and patip because there isn't for a meeti. Trust responsibility. Mr.
▶ 1:39:21Gratei kind of go about the things I like. Uh . We wanted in here. That's whes come together. And negotiate on a bipartisan basis that shut down. Those issues.
▶ 1:39:41>> we are very fortunate, mike simpson and congressman partners and friends and uh, uh, believe me, we couldn't have to put thoe two people and making sure thata and so they really did a split, uh, across the entire bill. But particularly on these interest . >> thank you so very much.
▶ 1:40:09And , that there is and I've seen some people that there's funding for the violence with women and the support the survivors of violence and to do. And so thanu very much. And, uh, I will be back. Thank you very much, madam chair. >> thank why Mr. simpson has been here.
▶ 1:40:37He's been waiting him on. On, we're very pleased to have him here tonight. So I wasn't sure , um, he's sitting behind you fore recognition. Thank you. Very much, madam chair. >> I want to dolores, this is py refreshing here tonight. >> uh, she.
▶ 1:41:06After funding steps, she's in local partners needs to build. >> and this is a step this bills away from. This is driven being in towards. More predictable appropriations programs to operate as. Intended in project in my includes several community projects that will support infr.
▶ 1:41:35There's rural water uh, and strengthening public service, especially with so I ji don't really any questions. I just want to thank you. Uh, it the many hours into all of thise this week, and I yield. Thank you. >> thank you. >> Mr. you're recognized. >> thank you, madam chair.
▶ 1:42:01And I want to thank, um, both rankinga for your work on this bill I know has gone and I'm glad that we're here. Appropriate as we should. Uh, chairman cole, if , congress correct? >> is correct. And it's our. Central function that we're charged with. Um, and again, by its nature, it needs to be by collaborative.
▶ 1:42:29Certainly in this case, it has been well together . And I want to join my full ang member now, uh stuff was negotit the subcommittee level. The further from that, the more political, less e an effort, and all four of us, quite frankly, to the people thy do the hearing things. No topic.
▶ 1:43:01They set up very few to have toe want to we don't send up any matter, uh, for, uh, our to we think it ought to be t all possible. I would say probably a 8. It was, uh, and you, uh so I'm proud of our and our cardinals.
▶ 1:43:28Uh because they, they sat I think we'll make me clear. To not get a single thing ranking r feels for the same way. What needs to be member driven. We want to the knowledge is at. Uh and these.
▶ 1:43:53Three cases are all possible people and their committees because they all involve their decisions as think did an extraordinary job through things. And we're continuing to work through. Raised a concern. We, uh, we, uh. Input. It's helpful. So Mr. chairman, a problem.
▶ 1:44:21>> uh, if all goes well, we will appropriate the question is not whether or not we the question really is, does congress or does an unelected bureaucrat direct it? Is that correct we fail money. A cr and and all the projects are gone. We lose every project and spend more money because objective.
▶ 1:44:51And again my friend, the ranking member, so n community project for rules. Sho nobody's more to make this is an honest, transparent than my friend the ranking member.
▶ 1:45:14And she certainly know, again, , and we usually manage together. >> that's right.
▶ 1:45:30>> but what I want to be clear x dollars to washington dc funds are for those resources to be sent back to our district, know something district that no bureaucrat andy good feel for that impact. Very directly. They're expended and we again, we try to research built process.
▶ 1:45:59So you're 100, uh, decided by members of, um, we actually havy passing crs.
▶ 1:46:13>> I think just one point I ress because of what happened in the did repeat, uh, these past trends that we said that a member and in any of this. Uh have a member go in a you know, okay. Today, I think I'll do this. No they're, uh, a proof of the community council.
▶ 1:46:46Uh, what has passed, etc. And we look carefully projects that did not have an on community support. Uh for it. So I'm. Youe were because you know, we're dealing with.
▶ 1:47:09Also , how it how it applies to this institution and the members which and are not the these are not the past because of the reforms that have been put in tax dollar, uh, have been. Made to strengthen oversight.
▶ 1:47:41>> two grams to not fund bridges to notional oversight and control of spending. Priority appropriations process should work discipline accountable to the american people who fund it. I personally would. Much rather have congressional by elected representatives who districts back home be able to fight for those things. Projects. Versus an unelected bureaucrat.
▶ 1:48:13Deciding where these these funds will go. Because the outset of my comments, the appropriated. Um, Mr. chairman. The overall budget is the. Glade should know when remember the. Dean of the house arrived in congress. He won. Uh.
▶ 1:48:45Appropriations 45% of all federal spending. We appropriated 9.8 products of the . Richest country in the world. Which point for. So if there's a problem not in parts of the budget that may be under and rea different time, then could we bk to and, uh, ranking member in as chair on
▶ 1:49:18Community can always get better, again, we're not the problem if we're appropriating a smaller portion of federal budget. And we were 40 years ago gdp, uh, should. Be freed from scrutiny.
▶ 1:49:43But it does mean really held the line on spending pretty wisely. And you know, my friends, side would disagree. One of the things I like, the beautiful bill, was one of the first times I've seen real reform is spending since 1983, since the speaker o'neill. And then baker. Sadly,l they solved.
▶ 1:50:11The problem for their era program and put it back. We needed the spending is that it's, uh, committee controls. It's actually done an. >> and just to bills spend less money than resolution. >> if we fail and not pass and do a shutdown again.
▶ 1:50:41But if we were, uh, we will spend money and we goes that that's where the unelected. >> and if we were to eliminate entirely, uh, what would that do, huh? >> uh, nothing. >> effectively, not very much. I mean, let's look at what we've done.
▶ 1:51:10It's where congress gives, you know, my friend, after you. And our colleagues on our committee and in the senate, uh, we don't get our work people dot just keeps rolling. The discipline of having to do this every year. I wish. You know, wh more, uh, side.
▶ 1:51:41>> um. Uh when. Into the mix, io matter the cost to the position that we're in today and spending has, um, pushed, uh, our capacity. And in the least tax cuts and the one big, beautiful bill, I was.
▶ 1:52:06To turn g deficits. Um, appropriations reduce spending as well. I think, uh. And, um, madam chair , I thank your time,. >> chairman cole, I want to reiterate a things that you've said, because I do think it's important on the.
▶ 1:52:34Umt by bills, um the appropriations bills, we save 2 billion to sustain cr perennially, that's,u know, we.
▶ 1:52:58Should and also we are both in pursuit of numbers, you know, modestly that we work on together and, uh, you know, there, again, we're able the aisle, but and the other chamber is gave a figure today that had not that in 1981, full card I'm
▶ 1:53:29Going to send to your office tomorrow and. In 1981 of all sp, the remainder was medicare or medicaid interest. On the debt. Today, it's only 20. So the growth of government has not via the appropriations process.
▶ 1:53:51And again, reduce the to me, the book is, uh, appropriating nine point of whes president. We're. 6.4. So relative to economy, this a much smaller appropriate colleagues that, uh, have control of mandatory.
▶ 1:54:17There's look, we have an aging population I can got to do this stuff every year. You got to weed. I done here and prioritize it. Uh. And that we could agree on. Uh, again, enjoy friend and I usually.
▶ 1:54:43And I leave the average american believing all the money every year important. To spell that out. Medicaid, and other things called or entitlement are on automatic pilot is not. Appropriating that money.
▶ 1:55:09Uh, came here and heard those terms and. I protest that it's really all. Discretionary. Do that allowed certain. Things to be on automatic. And I think that came from 19 when congress decided to budget.
▶ 1:55:37Because it didn't want to decide with those tough issues. And they are tough issues. But we not get our house in order , until we that is. No criticism whatsoever. By appropriations committee.
▶ 1:56:01Uh and that is a deai believe and I all for bringing , by and I believe it way we should be doing bit at a time things. Under control. That way coming tonight.
▶ 1:56:27And further questions of our two witnesses. Oh, I'm. You there. You're. >> thank you. Brief thank you to the chairman and the ranking member for your hard work. And e and effort spending, uh, to come together with this final today.
▶ 1:56:57Uh, I have I think the most principal among them. And I want to national center for atmospheric, both if you're familiar with ncar, uh, it's located. It's described budget request as a quote.
▶ 1:57:17This is president describes ncar as world class research center meeting and facilitating innovation in the atmosphere. Interms that. Presidential budget request, called.
▶ 1:57:30The funding and operating of ncar a number of very substantial and significant a wide variety universities across the country, including I, including I believe, award that .
▶ 1:57:50Just recently, uh, beat on an eye institute with why you were aware, uh, omb director made an announcement of dismantling of ncar. This is in connection to against the state colorado. Uh uh, and in for, former colleague Mr. polis. Really early. The state.
▶ 1:58:14Uh, not releasing uh, who was convicted of state, uh, uh, election related. Peters. It is blatant retaliation, unlawful. For a host of reasons, but it also also request and. There are roughly 100 ranking member and e chairman of this in the house, as counterparts in the senate.
▶ 1:58:42Ask in this bill to reflective prior budget request before this sort of campaign and to ensure that ultimately continue doing the incredibly important work that I guess we'e going amendment that we're going to submit later this colleagues to support it.
▶ 1:59:09I guess, work with faith, given in cars. >> I'm always work with members, uh, and again, this, uh, I think reflects the fact that we do work together and we individual concerns into account. So just to work.
▶ 1:59:33>> well, I guess what I would just you're familiar with the developments regarding bill in the senate before the congress to the congress. And ultimately, it. Was not considered the minibus wasn't considered because our senators, my senators, uh, senator bennett, put.
▶ 1:59:54A hold on that appropriations bill during and, uh, and this issue has yet to be this bill is moving, uh, that you all wort same message, the two corners of the four corners thas what ultimately stopped sending iteration so I would hope that
▶ 2:00:26We could find here to, uh , land. We've suggested, which, as I said, has been endorsed by the house. Uh including in my state of colorado ranking member ryan effort. >> and I was supportive trying to move on the effort. >> thank you. I yield back.
▶ 2:00:49Nowf questions and, uh, we. And york. So and happy new year. >> hope you are healed very. Th.
▶ 2:01:22>> okay. >> okay I guess. I came. >> I'm good. I'm.! Oh Mr.
▶ 2:01:43Bean,e full. Statement will be accepted. >> and I you to keep your comments to follow. >> my goodness. We'll get out of here on for five minutes.
▶ 2:02:06Uh since you're reading my comments, uh, I'll tell you, I care some about >> um, when I was in the state wisconsin, I was a uh, the child abuse. Board. And I heard a lot of particularly where even sexually abused the vast situats some horrific crimes committed.
▶ 2:02:33Like this is usually, you know, who the father of the child, mothers and if you just, uh, child abuse, sexual abuse, you. Therefore have to go after educated women that.
▶ 2:02:54They got to look maybe those other mn may take charge of young girls in the, um establishment does not like publish those numbers.
▶ 2:03:13I know why my, um, andf the relationship victim and offender. Particularly child sexual abuse .
▶ 2:03:35And vision goes along with, ud law enforcement act and abuse prevention and, you know, that act. So that the public will learn who is committing these horrible crimes which now it is nowhere near as publicized as guessing when the amendment that was going to find out.
▶ 2:04:01Buty people. So I appreciate it very much more money, but what we are doing is public. If you want to prevent sexual, some young have to educate people. You look out, you get the actual father in the. That's that's what, thank you, Mr.
▶ 2:04:31Pred we will insert. Your full statement. Um, Mr. norman, do you have any. >> y'all learned some? No no, just Mr. >> Mr.
▶ 2:04:57Langworthy . Okay. Uh ask. >> from the gosar. From from Rep. relatives ghosts or and style.
▶ 2:05:22Anyone else seeking to testify on hr 45, 93 , hr 50, hr 1638? Closes the heg portion of. Without him in the committee. Stands in recess members to stay will be .
▶ 2:06:10>> you when we thank you.