▶ 0:05:59And of many monumental people ce about. They. Deserve to have confidence not in system of elections. Within american amer. Debate about that.
▶ 0:06:21Save america act sense, safeguards of the. Right of american citizens to cast these safeguards requirement of journalists to provide eligible documentation.n proof of kinship when
▶ 0:06:55Read. Bring an and requirement g voter rolls by. Removing ineligible argue that this piece of legislation is more than a partizan messaging tool. Not even remotely. The case provingg elections in tens of american.
▶ 0:07:26Citizens. I'm sure. Will squawk about how this and to take our s . And in response is that this couldn't be further.
▶ 0:07:43You id to a flight to buy pack of cigarettes, or to open a most important duties we have citizens being beheld to at least. I certainly believe, ande american people in overwhelming numbers. To the discussion now e right member, Mr. mcgovern was .
▶ 0:08:15Well, thank you, madam chair. >> and, um, I begin agreed withi don't this is a messaging effort and chair. This is. A dangerous effort to destroy, you know, countless american voters participating in the next election. I mean, this is a new this is the this america. Act.
▶ 0:08:43I have news from my republican want you screwing up. They don't want you to make it more um, yoi mean. And they certainly do to have over it.
▶ 0:09:07Christie noem, who right in, in our I mean, this is this is crazy. By stating some facts. There is vot true. A non-citizens voting is a massive one.
▶ 0:09:35Say that we are that our system is perfect. Tissues. Uh, when it comes to cyber and disinformation, intimidation anl important issues. But are not.
▶ 0:09:51G a belief predicated on, extensie documents, very evidence and noa widespread issue. It is a.
▶ 0:10:15Created by people whose citizens, citizens who are and constitutionally ballot and pret elections. Republic of america act because they want to that sr chickens have you found by lightning than to legally its
▶ 0:10:46Own voting and unable massive ei could go that investor relations collusion. That voter. Frankly. Now I think florida is it happens every time republicans launch an inquisition into voting fraud that he knew he knew. To vote.
▶ 0:11:15But then it's 198. Not 198,000. The end, out f fraud. The time,.
▶ 0:11:51Mirage is worse than a solution. And because the so-called solution is. Familiar, since now both make their voices heard, participate. Uh democracy. Those are supposed to be good. Thwi a bill makes it as is what this does. It it harder to vote.
▶ 0:12:21It makes now shn . To vote. So you can file your you can bank online. You can get your money to go back in time to vote. You have e or a passport with you.
▶ 0:12:45Good ons or at nights because you will jo vote.. This is difficult for during the day. Since people with disabilities town hall easily families deployed overseas have the history of chasing.
▶ 0:13:13Ofy hometown of worcester. It cost not do you have register.
▶ 0:13:26If you want to, hey, it's a model juste their sen or driver's license just even mw relief life, it took decades and billions of dollars
▶ 0:13:58To to believe with primaries. Uh and the general election in months, complete disaster disenfranchize keeping them from. Voting. But then again. And here's what really bothers me. Another soluf a problem math as ongoing attempt and hold on to power.
▶ 0:14:27Pam bondi had a saying ice straw if they just recent. L talk about, quote, national ande what this is about. I'm.
▶ 0:14:49Very pt now. And any effort to try to hold on to be rated in election office in full and.
▶ 0:15:07Tapes, the e could be declared winner ballots
▶ 0:15:39Yet. Again. Ethical, mystical wire fraud that. We are always told exists the evidence . That it has impacted the results.
▶ 0:15:55A member pillow guy who share after he's not let the president's mark meadows iss were actually indicted roles in trying to fraudulently overturn.
▶ 0:16:19If voter fraud, let'sk about how donald outcome in 2020. So recruited forged documents and trial paperwork so they can cling on to power after to go after voter fraud, they ought to start selves. What we aren't going to do is situate about voter fraud.
▶ 0:16:47From the same people who tried to, because in, took american. Principle that voting is a privilege. Now. Popular and kind of trying to, you know, a .
▶ 0:17:14That this bill will pass you foy american citizens will. Just give up. Not on my watch. And I hope there us on this. Too manye have fought so hard country. Cof people have for that right. And we will.
▶ 0:17:39And lies about the from american citizens, which I yield back time. >> thank you, Mr. mcgovern. That our witnesses may now welcome od style on how administration. Will be submitted. For the record minut.
▶ 0:18:10Chairman well, I uh, ranking mc. Uh, in. 1383. The save. I our cp roy for his work on this important operation. Uh, as we worked bill in uh, to thank spe. Leader scalise, whip emmer.
▶ 0:18:38Uh e and resources dedicated. To creating dedicated law. Uh, in front a committee print rcp we're still implementing a century. Prove it in voter id requirement. He clarified. Voter id language from the original amendment with a few additional changes.
▶ 0:19:06First, deployed service members are absent. Uh, their spouses and dependents under. America act at makes effective from enactment and is an enhanced version legislation.
▶ 0:19:30The save act, which passed the bipartisan basis, has not our cn the senate. Now lee and chip roe bill as common sense and it pro to confirm us.
▶ 0:19:55Someone first register us for citizenship verification. First, president biden. Over 10 million illegal ails of the country. Now we know it's illegal for non-citizens to elections in the united states.
▶ 0:20:15Today is about te what's up from claiming their citizen registers current law of casting ballots undermines.
▶ 0:20:42Americans in our elections prooe in federal. Elections. Voter id curtis form of id when someone capturing photo identification. That's why it's popular. It's time we make this. Now.
▶ 0:21:07Some of call this kne in 2021, georgia passed their comprehensive election integrity law. The bill. You may recall president joe. Biden called jim crow 2.0. Georgia has two statewide election.
▶ 0:21:34Since passed 30 law turnout's georgia surveyn excellent or good voter to midty across the aisle is often misguided to the intelligence as
▶ 0:22:05Voter for their necessary, they can still cast a ballot. The set standards addressing no eligible name change and the bill takes a strong to save act that makes save sense legislation.
▶ 0:22:33Thank you all and k forward to your questions. In style. >> making. Uh, chair as a member of the. Rules committee is delighted to be back. The act this morning. I. Participated in the make elections great again attempt.
▶ 0:23:06To take over our elections. And now. To save america is of deliberation. Republicans were. For changes to the bill in just the riddled wih mistakes, friend style had. Appe democrat.
▶ 0:23:35Last congress and that run issues nonetheless, um could have. Considered should that should this bill which it was not instead of attempting a haphazard amend. The bill, you told us the save act was scrambled some band-aids and push it control oo president trump this.
▶ 0:24:02This is te desperate, flailing colleagues what a exactly. I would hate to step. Murkowski already said. Today she opposes the save act wait for you to dee how to silence.
▶ 0:24:30The trump administration is blatant, the american rule of law, a jane bondi. Sent a letter more accurately, a render of minnesota weaponizing federal law enforcement effort. American citizens on the. Minneapolis metals and minnesota's elections, president trump said. And.
▶ 0:25:00These are his exact elections and nationalize voting. Clear this bill? The safer america act. Then the save act. To show generally to vote. Americans do not have a passport and a passport. Mr.
▶ 0:25:25Mcgovern tod this nation has affordable for the american people is a. Hoax. But republicans are U.S. citizens. $130 each. If americans real id. Well, for most.
▶ 0:25:51Possible, because as merited, real ids prd hearing after hearing on non-cin voting and federal elections ist should. And those laws are welly colleague could in those to bacp claims of.
▶ 0:26:19In fact, speaker henderson has has no proof non-citizen vote in. Federal elections. He admitted it when he admitted the save ama act would give over our electio. >> it. Would require states, as Mr. mcgovern right.
▶ 0:26:43Require theo provide their voter rolls, dhs , has for leadership at dhs. Some republicans have even publicly called on her. Yet legislation e them important. Task this vital task of voting reckless more control over the lives of americans.
▶ 0:27:11Legislation that gives information like dress to a a to tear a civilian think it's as able to hide their be able to tr badge numbers. You this, you mut give personal information to kristi noem. Oh, wrong.
▶ 0:27:34I mean, what happened to the party of ar constituents at the ballot box. Then from voting. At all. That's why to take effect. Immediate family plans start here. They start now. But when not let that happen, they.
▶ 0:28:02Thint up questions. Chairman, can you please to the claim by our democrat bill is for non-citizens vote in. Federal elections. We.
▶ 0:28:26Of distinction between whether act is illegal and law is enforced. So it currently law. N vote of course, there's predictions such as our capital to in local or municipal of the saving act the law requig
▶ 0:28:59Citizenship verification at the point of voter to determine whether an individual is a. Citizen of the united states, which is why either intentionally violate or law. Why the of us, the save america essential.
▶ 0:29:23>> you've already I'll get you d . There are some of us that permit elections as you should that's the case, this and the an our confidence that non-citizens cannot federal
▶ 0:29:54Elections. >> you bring up a great point. A lot the country. I think the easiest nation's citizens, are eligible under current. Law to vote in. Elections. Let's give an example of that.
▶ 0:30:11Well, is at the russian embassy in washington, dc has russian passport in their pocket under current walk out on electy , us today and cast they would not be to sn because photo. Id is not required at all.
▶ 0:30:35States or localities that the do they maintain to vote. Is something we've explored, which is an non-citizens from voting in any states, us election should be for us. Since only and in, in, in, in in particular. It's why to act absolutely essential to restore america's trust.
▶ 0:31:04Citizens are us elections. >> um, click one more question to say. That threaten democracy or say it's ridiculous towards trust in american elections, that U.S. citizens only would ask did thot make that famous. >> how illegal votes are okay?
▶ 0:31:29Heard earlier an only onef the question? Well, of are you comfortable? The standard for me is that cases of fraud to have no non persons voting in us elections. In my opinion, it's of a us citizen. O many much. Mr. mcgovern. You're honest.
▶ 0:31:53Yeah m, chairman, um what what I, I disagree with on. What you said. Um what I, what I our eleg from the mean, I don't know whether you trump lo. Biden.
▶ 0:32:23Do you remember the call he made to the 11,700 votes that out there and just blatantly made lied, be secretary of state to know, to e ballot box. You will he could end georgia. Um, I . Mean, that's what undermines. But it's in our elections.
▶ 0:32:51And thankfully and again, I, we say complimentary charge state of ga actually did the right thing. They withstood to his pressure.y insisted on maintaining the I mean, chairman style, president trump falsely claimed on.
▶ 0:33:10Yet t, quote, and let me ask you, you. Agree that the donald trump. >> well, I'll from south has plf people do you I mean, you do votes, uh, have been counted.
▶ 0:33:39>> uh, and they've been counted about the people who voted to give him the electoral votes. >> did he did he? I mean, he either one or he wasn't. >> Mr. minnesota three times? >> I can't even you yourself toe if you win it or all this garbage that is all know the truth. And you go along with this.
▶ 0:34:07And that's undermines, uh, people's confidence. All this you have tp and enough. No, donald trump, you lost the election. You may have won it in the last time around. But the truth.
▶ 0:34:29I mean, I just, I don't d the, uh, the sense to you know, to just just deploy that that, t people are watching it going. I can't believe know, I mean, I think this mean, america does saving and certainly saving peoo over the voter rolls, federal department.
▶ 0:34:55That, uh, shot american same republicans who are federal thee states to run their elections are now suddenly begging for I think we know about I think we I think we all know what the.
▶ 0:35:15But let's dig into some of the details save as interesting by representative roy just ten days ago. I then w, this rules committee print right here america act . It was posted. On 4:00, uh, last friday.
▶ 0:35:42Large to the bill.d then we have. Your manager's amendment here post, which doesn't. That doesn't just make technical, uh major provisions of the bill take, lol these changes. Look changes none markup. And you want to believe .
▶ 0:36:10That with zero debate changess ready to go straight to the floor. >> we've had, uh, the ranking. Member and I, I think could both attest have debated underlying there's all these changes, maybe you in a of time. >> and I'm, you know, if think that, you know, the is the committee process may changes?
▶ 0:36:39O right to. And nobody has to worry about anything. I . >> I think that read a 30 page bill was no change. Three totalt versions of this bill.
▶ 0:37:01Um, did you have a hearing in your committee or was it the topic on, uh, election integrity? Why aren't we dealing with the it was, uh, it was a hearing was not a markup. >> you have you could have met today on on this with your, you excruciating details. >> you know, made here.
▶ 0:37:26So you met on a different issue, again, we're this this is a lousy process. And I'll tell policy. Um and, uh. Ranking as you know, primary elections start a few weeks, right?
▶ 0:37:50Am I correct in stating zero chance that any state could possibly implicated voter id law in just a couple? The that the hearing this morning we had thed the bill was unworkable.
▶ 0:38:12>> I have note, including texas, you have a ballot people, so it's impossible to comply. It's with a lack of seriousness. Uh, this. >> yeah., um, you know, um, you you only seven effective immediately. I.
▶ 0:38:43Know if that was posted a tweet about it or because, I mean have we have we. Does states how is they supposed to do it >> well, let's break down the two words one is a review of photo I down wisconsin. You go buy a six pack of beer.
▶ 0:39:07Uh view your id, um, before they're able to think itt training. Uh this the states abo identification passage and signing of this law. The second important. Just to clarify that the to let you. But the save america act.
▶ 0:39:33To new voter registration. So where voter id in a state, obviously there would registratf the concern would be impacted by this, uh, in the coming, uh, broadly, a false assertion. >> yeah. Is buying a beer. I. Mean, we have a constitutional right, and I mean, um, and with all requirements, quite.
▶ 0:40:06Frankly. I mean, you. Know, without you know, any ruling I mean, you know, I mean, look, these challenges that we've had, you know, it's taking years, yo, again, it took over 20 years at real place and many people still don't.
▶ 0:40:30The idea do this jf weeks cynical cave to a point and, and you want to sow some chaos in order. Millions. Of voters ahead of the midterms because here.
▶ 0:40:49But I can't believe that this republican majority is serious as the american people's I mean, the bedrock of our democracy and I think decline ss a changes in the last few days, uh, any. Kind of committee oversight or a hearing or markup. I mean, I'll tell.
▶ 0:41:13Ie that, you know, or the rules committee. You know, bringing this issue Mr. morelli, you wanted to. >> I just uh, that, um, if you have no haa student. It's not allowed.
▶ 0:41:37So st polling places that by the way,y has a vote for a. Sure. Uh havee identity, whether states like ue handwriting. Uh, and but in those states that you have photo, if had a student id, you couldn't use it by, uh, students.
▶ 0:42:06Licenses, fishing licenses, firearm. I would be more restrictive than those states that, uh not what this I. And, uh, but I might, Mr. mcgovern. >> yeah.
▶ 0:42:25You know, I just I jusr comment I want to make, you know, as you were talking about not sitting voting, I just to rn 2024, 80 million for voting 80 n did not participate, pay in this presidential election. Somehow we're that democrats. Non-U.S.
▶ 0:42:59Citizens, even though out how tr if that happens. We magically do this. And yet, million voter. Eligible us citizens to vote that all the time. The whole notion of this, there is no. Evidence of there's a pattern of democrats, although called us lt goon.
▶ 0:43:25Um I'm going to have I'm m . Nonetheless, no evidence. Supposedly, we arrange it. Secretly without doing evidencen speaker johnson. So who are eligible cast a vote in where our focus is. This imaginary. That spend billions to correct it right.
▶ 0:43:55>> I'll just this is stunning. Uh to hear this. Testimony, um, Mr. chairman, you as chairman of the of the. I clearly whether or. Not donald trump won or lost. Uh, he says , and he. And he won as he said, there was a all this non citizen voting against him.
▶ 0:44:23The fact that when fact that you can't just say no, he just he and there's no evidence to prove otherwise. And it's stunning that that members of congress so afraid he might. You. You're it it is it. You are thiy is doing?
▶ 0:44:53Is showing a lack of confidence in the american eleci just I don't know, I find it unbelievable every time I ask a, uh, the election in which donala straight manner and. Thank you. >> Mr. fischbach, you're recognized. >> thank you, madam I just.
▶ 0:45:22Thre they keep because happening because it, um, illegal forced a vote you know, as I look and like you said, it's not happening. Uh, pennsylvania admitted that.
▶ 0:45:42Texas has had the same kind of issue and you admitted and citizens registered and you're, uh, successfully voting in several elections that over 400 voters s just wondering if you know, I understand this is this piece eg
▶ 0:46:13The law. And so maybe come on tk you very much question. I think we have things at we have democrats actively encouraging citizens I noted to me capitol or just across know what the deg term, uh, goal is. Uh, in this situation, two.
▶ 0:46:41Uh, I don't think ever contemplated licenseo what you're looking at, I can'tt congressional can tell you what the implications are. Uh, the motor voter role.
▶ 0:46:59Law comes in and put registration requirement when an individual gets a driver's box l is, uh, some people have said that they've done a whole or nos malicious activity or not actuation, but clear example. Un ? Uh, illegal.
▶ 0:47:23Uh, he was previy living state of move to the iowa. He would be head of he was arrested. And after his arrest, uh, it, uh, for folks back and ran through thats registered to vote in. Maryland. And, of course, did he request a ballot? Yes.
▶ 0:47:53In fact, in. Robert's a legal citizen. Requested a ballot in maryland, as a pattern, uh, state after state. On this topic. Uh, at committee. Uh, and it absolutely justifies the need registration . Thank thank you.
▶ 0:48:22>> and just one other kind of questions that you they talk about all of these horrible things. Never be able to register, uh, because for called, uh, you person won't be able to, um, will be vote because of this requirement and give a little bit dispel some of those have have things that they're I'm engaged to a wn who run in your uh, and, uh, we'll be married in less than two to change her namd
▶ 0:48:55So one who currently resides mi, we'll hopefully we'll be, uh, in . The state of wisconsin, because if I left, I'd have to leave of wisconsin. She's hopefully registered to vote. And actually talked through this. That millie could be a woman who's changing her married. Uh other reasons. People through a name change process state have their how an individual it it changes their name. It's very straightforward. You can you can jump online.
▶ 0:49:24You can google it often that marriage certificate itself, uha certified copy, your marriage certificate will be brought, umn you would go and get, uh, a new form of id, you get a passport.
▶ 0:49:46Uh, that would e same documents some highlight ta individual could be passed through that name envision a sc, where the name was changed on marriage certificate. Had. Not arrived at that, starting with the for a name change is usually where that act step of the process.
▶ 0:50:13Now imagine is we contemplated in this situation and in particular page 11, like walk how an individual, uh, would be registered to vote again sure that all citizens, uh, are able, proving their citizenship. Yep. Uh that have been brought, um, others.
▶ 0:50:41>> may I, may I comment on thats going to have her birth certificate. One and a half americans. Don't you have to bring your birth going to be a difference in names.
▶ 0:50:59You're going to have to way, is you doo fantastic, which is, checking the box that says going citizens to register to vote. Seems like an awful lot to be able. Be able to utilize to make use of your vote as a U.S. now bring all kinds of documentary instead of I'm an american citi.
▶ 0:51:30Well, by the way, there's a there's a lot, uh, you know, haf your documents together when I e reasonable explanations and a reasonable way to this case. An. And. But I just I wanted to juse law.
▶ 0:51:55We always talk about, uh, we have lots of laws, but are we actually going to enforce them? And this is sur elections because I said it earlier, Mr. chairman, that one fraudulent vote is it it is it's unfair. And it. Orders that folks the citizen is so forward. I am. Um, uh, and and I yield b.
▶ 0:52:25>> thank you Mr. thank you. I to the ranking chair, I request unanimous consent to insert check. >> noncitizens considers. I ask unanimous consent concerning the record. An the grant claims. Do. Report shows noncitizen voting as a material.
▶ 0:52:51I ask unanimous consent to insert in the record an article the cato institute titled non-citizens illegally vote in double numbers without consent to the record and other from the institute entitled trump's claims about false and it witho. >> I started to record an article from the maryland unpacking myths about noncitizen voting data.
▶ 0:53:19Proves it's not a problem without objection, concerning in the entitled an expert portion of donald trump's allegations of massive voter fraud in the , expansive voter fraud concerns espoused by allied grounded in e features of the objection, and m chair, I just want to say the court also found the same. Thing.
▶ 0:53:47>> um, in 2016, the fifth circuit, meaning photo of voters racially discriminatory. He noted two convictions in person voter of 0 million votes cast in the day before texas passed a law and north carolina, uh, in its opening in its carolina's omnibus restrictive did a voter id requirement as purposely
▶ 0:54:18Racially identify by even a single been charged wg in voter fraud in north carolina case in wisconsin.
▶ 0:54:31In 2016, a federal in reviewing the state's strict photo id law found the type of fraud that the voter idy isolated phenomenon, a significant threat to the integrity.
▶ 0:54:51And again, without objection, I will say to my what is undermining, uh, the conflict is what coming out of the mouth of this president. We allw their lies. We cannot get the republicans to stand it is unbelievable that this tree is unbelievable that he gets away with it.
▶ 0:55:18And it is, um, to whete won certain. Or lost them. No evidence to prove. I he won then again. Wish he didn't. I think our economy would be better offo dispute that and unfortunately, we have a republican conference afraid to tell the truth. And I thank the gentlelady. Thank you.
▶ 0:55:47Thank , miss candy, for. >> but apparently we can't say it enough. Facts noncitizen voting is already illegal, and is already illegal under state only citizens can vote in all. In federal, 50 states have systems in place to vote to confirm. Their eligibility.
▶ 0:56:11This is a penalties or severe prison time, and in the case non-citizen voting year, our republican colleagues have tried to fabricate. Unfortunately, we have a media use to reward the loudest and most strident voices. Wrong. They. So we don't have a crisis.
▶ 0:56:38It's a pretext to pass a radical. Which is to make. The save amert of citizenship to read person. E to register or using their state issued deal in pennsylvania.
▶ 0:57:07Now, to have ol ice and half of pennsylvanians don't have a passport either. Student. Ids wouldn't be enough for married women who changed their name, wouldn't be enough, but it's unrealistic. Burdens on citizen mass disenfranchisement of eligible to solve problem that no one can.
▶ 0:57:37We've seen how this plays out for states that have implemented these kind of voter id and voter registration requirements in to republican party controlled our labor side. To impose restrictions on those here. Although less restrictive than those here. Law was because it was proven that ice over a half million eligible voters.
▶ 0:58:07So this is the outcry across the republican party spreading integrity, saying that million passed although it's a law. And then you have loss hare citizens. And those laws inevitably cause chaos. You point chaos or confusion as evident.
▶ 0:58:37And the solution that seems to be all well, no matter. How unconstitutional that is, any imagination. After the last few weeks, events fbi e sent to see because that happened in georgia, and two of its collar counties in a over te past decade, in the aftermath of
▶ 0:59:09Lawsuits and made free claims of voter fraud every lawsuit and many trump not only. But also 2016 as republicans don't talk is that their claims of rent are actually inspiring. Try.
▶ 0:59:38To commit voter fraud in my district. For illegally voting for donald trump deceased mothea man cast his own ballot and then tried to change his and came back to cast a ballot. And those cases were investigated.
▶ 1:00:03The system worked, but you don't hear people there inspiring voter fraud with their laws. Itt happening at the ballot box. Real fraud is standing before the american people save our elections from a threat that doesn't. Simultaneously laying the groundwork to through federal. Intervention.
▶ 1:00:31If there's officials who elections. Willing to disenfranchize our force to take. Don't deliver the results that they want. But anything to this discussion? Because we've had the conversation over and over for any new. Evidence.
▶ 1:00:59Um, but we keep the voter laws proposed. >> yeah. Thank you for the question. A couple of things. I'd just say, Mr. steel saying that, uh, U.S. opportunity to vo many, many far more is us right to register a vote that's far worse.
▶ 1:01:27I mean, we give the voter files department of homeland security . And you see what you're doing. Rounding up U.S. citizens. They're killing U.S. citizens. So polling places, resident just they call. Out the national guard. Oh, if you.
▶ 1:01:55Had a span of U.S. citizen, you're from puerto rico. They are U.S. citizens. What about show at the super bowl since. But if yos maybe that's not americans do?
▶ 1:02:11Y detain people at people say, I'g anywhere near a family, to my job, to my livelihood, what it's intended to do.
▶ 1:02:29And frankly, who in america, rusty,r tell you that people complain to me about the awful treatment of useless all over the country. We see it, which is more people are getting frustrated and so we're going to give them more information. Information than you'd have.
▶ 1:02:58You're going to just turn repubs of congress have called on secretary nome to republicans. E recognize very eric, right now. The answer. There are more. American citizens and so much wrong with this bill.
▶ 1:03:27That's just what those are. Thoughts . >> thank you. I appreciate that. And I I'm I'm doctor we've vicee country. My don't think you have to have a municipal when you see an ice agent. Abusive use. Um.
▶ 1:03:47Conduct that were seen from law enforcement in our communities. Like to see, um, you know, and having chris and I think she's proven that she's unable, uh, either that system or. Thank you for your I will yield back. >> thank you, Mr. scanlon.
▶ 1:04:15Um missing it. Let me see if I recognize Mr. scott. >> thank you, madam chair office . I have a question for you, Mr.
▶ 1:04:39Style about some of the other day and when, they made me show driver's license. They. Actually scanned the back of it. I didn't think it was that much of an inconvenience. I understand why they a reason for it.
▶ 1:04:58But, uh, I mean, to my knowledge, maybe they weren't picking on me, but anybody who went in and bought certain phone id is that correct? >> is not just a d.
▶ 1:05:14You dnc conn to show an, there's a democratic senator, uh, a couple you love it, Mr. scott, who required what a id. So. So democrats don't know id writ. Large. They just have a in the instance of voting.
▶ 1:05:42I'm in practice for americans to board an airplane and beer, attend a town it's commonplace n essential component of election integrity. It's why it's in the state. You would have to have one to open an a bank deposit, a social in. >> correct? >> absolutely.
▶ 1:06:10>> I don't understand there are you? I did watch as someone from the state of georgia who law fof georgia. Uh get. They won't pass, put their name on . Um, so if you're.
▶ 1:06:26In georgia or any other state, uh, 20 page numbers, um, because I've listened to democrats nationally talk are hillary clinton got 1.877 to be. Biden got 2.47 in 2020 after the george law.
▶ 1:06:55Uh, I say that sarcastic quotes that was passed after that election. Ballots. That was you didn't have an id on in the state of georgia. Show an I, george, every the legislature ae governor fix that. You want to guess how many votes kamala harris got for 8 million.
▶ 1:07:22So, so the democratic vote, every time tell you, our vote think the bom line is people. Don't trust if you don't have to show an eye for republicans, want to be able to.
▶ 1:07:51And that requires person who walks in to vote, that they, and that requires some type of identification. The same identification that allows you to buy sudafed or uh, allows you to vote, and then some other tok it's just good common both parts legislation.
▶ 1:08:15Elections in the state of georgia, uh, for democratic party, almost 100,000. The last election law was passed. How they're complaining, unless they're just looking for comments? >> uh, I would just. >> this the state of georgia. >> georgia implementing voter integrity laws, trying to make.
▶ 1:08:46Here the democratic law was utilized when the state of georgia their election integrity law, mean that's today on the state of america act. >> that most that recently have called the legislation in front of us. Jim crow. And we don't that far beck election integrity law.
▶ 1:09:14And the that joe biden georgia's election integrity law. What jim crow 2.0. And if we look at them just, what we see is that we'll have confidence in their elections. They're more likely to participate two full statewide elections since that election.
▶ 1:09:35And seen strong participation significant survey that showed that people had positive experience in the all key demographic groups. The survey found that percent pooree voting experience. That's a good . Thing.
▶ 1:09:58What we have seen time and again as tense election as e in the state of america act as people increase confidence in elections and. And so I appreciate you bringing senator and governor kemp both relay ballots with the voter id laws.
▶ 1:10:212.0 rhetoric that was spewed out there, major basd for their games in an effort to pander color. >> yeah, to the to the woke shake the. Law. It makes good sense. And I believe turnout in. Um to more confidence in, uh, and thank you. Thank you.
▶ 1:10:56>> Mr. neguse, you're recognized, madam chair. >> I thank you, chairman. And ranking georgia. Uh, I will say we, uh, welcome. Uh uh, folks, I don't want to belabor that point. >> I do want to respect to the numbers that you mentioned got . The my colleague from georgia, uh, you said in 2016 that hillary clinton million.
▶ 1:11:26877 900. That was my understanding. And donald. 2,000,089. >> I didn't. I didn't. >> if, uh, I'm okay, the hillary clinton was giving you the donald trump number for weni think you said 2,473,633.
▶ 1:11:55Is that right? >> that's that's according to the internet. The results. >> exactly. And donald trump got one 854,000 votes. That's what's online. So donald trump lost georgia that is the official count. >> that's. >> yeah the question got most changed. >> but is that right or wrong.
▶ 1:12:27Uh officially did the democratic party sue to change the are you? >> that's not. What do sued to change the election laws in the state of the absentee ballots so that there was a minute ago thae numbers were standing. The, theg laws, they are now talking about >> yeah, exactly. >> Mr.
▶ 1:12:55You can understand what I'm getting. I think you were argument previous. You others my disagree with me, but facts, facts and numbers or numbers and I would just say without the official. Language and all of the rest to us.
▶ 1:13:19You 2,473,633 votes. State of georgia. During the 2020 presidential election, donald. T the. Georgia election. If you can say those good faith on this >> and as you know, I voted to certify the election.
▶ 1:13:47Appreciatt saying. >> got almost. 800,000 where there was. No signature verification. And no id required. And my point and that number has never been that high before. I I mean, I think I, I t have all of my votes on on all e things. >> uh, claim it. Fair enough.
▶ 1:14:15I would just simply say and say t, I appreciate that you. Certify the electoral results. I remember because I was there on january 6th with simply saying when you, in 2016 and then the biden number, the general import of the best I case that the georgia
▶ 1:14:46Laws that were enacted criticiss of those laws, democratic members none the democrats continue win. I looked in georgia, but then I. You won this. You two democrat usa right of which has been reelected. >> so let me I want. >> do you agree that joe biden r colleague Mr. >> as reported.
▶ 1:15:15The state of georgia cast. >> what does that of representa? >> we witness the killing of the electoral college in the state s in support of joe biden. Correct. And. That is because he won the state of certified on the state of georgia. And I presume the statf minnesota in 2024.
▶ 1:15:43>> with victory there, that that this electoral. College was counted in favor of that kamala harris state of the state of wht is say yes? I don't I don't understand your he electoral college, if I'm asking about the electoral college popn this respect, that's that's we. Elected the united states. >> madam chair exercising peopl.
▶ 1:16:17>> shouldn't worse terrified, madam, that should be adequate. >> number one, the speaker. I ag to ask you question. I'm happy to ask any republic only . From georgia. If I. Ask anyone on the panel, particular candidate won a particular state same.
▶ 1:16:43The sections as reported s . As the electoral college certified in the house state of? Who won the state of minnesota? If I go who won minnesota, every say harris won. Only people who vacate are. Republican politicians in this committee. That's a fact. We all know it.
▶ 1:17:11But in any event, chairwoman, that it's not worth belaboring it because I don't think I'm entitled. I go through 50 states and you'll answer it s in 2024? Mr. morelli? >> state of arkansas? >> yes, in 2020. >> no. >> trump won the state of arkansas. Not as reported. It in is certified. Believe he state of arkansas. Mr. style do you disagree?
▶ 1:17:34Who won the states pretty your question, like, who's the president that statesn reported as representatives? I don't. Think it's terribly confusing. Okay. Mr. >> stop. Wild.
▶ 1:17:55What honestly, like the , ask any in the state of bruce westerman were here, I think he honestly to each one arkansas he would not he wouldn't be we might react to him saying that I get it. I understand you're this. Maybe he hears you and you were know, perhaps can see the truth on it. Very honestly.
▶ 1:18:22But digress. We can talk about the mayor section governing registration action with to mail voter, an. My stane legislation essentially states were allowed would.
▶ 1:18:47Not be allowed to accept a voter can it's the requisite f identification at the election l to be accurate.
▶ 1:19:01So a state in a foreign country ree .
▶ 1:19:19Would not be vote under this e , um god or excluded, the in-pen requirement. >> Mr.
▶ 1:19:37Because as I understand this language and yeah, we have a sit branch of the united forces whoe to register it's one of the criticisms we made. Of the save act, which we were told isn't a make it. That change correct. >> hard.
▶ 1:19:59To follow the different versions of the bill, not inclus , spouses realized I made a mistake. >> so they had that change as well.
▶ 1:20:13But it doesn't apply to other people who live >> so in fact, to vote by mail d they're not. Subject, excuse me to the registration requirement . >> correct. Spouses. So. To me, either of you.
▶ 1:20:43>> yeah, I'm that's fine because the bill was changed. >> explicitly exempts, uh, voters, their dependents this bill requires states. Department of d security chairman. >> okay. >> for the purpose of being, uh, reviewed by by to do that.
▶ 1:21:13>> now, they're not required to do that as an accurate . Okay that acknowledgment because as you litigation now in a variety of different courte trump corporation is asserting has the right, under existing law to these course, every court has disagreed with them, including a pointed judge state of michigant think, 11 days.
▶ 1:21:42And so event, I think, safe to say all republicans, but I think it's clear to the house believes that and does not fede. And the courts believe that to be the case, in have introducedo impose this requirement affirmatively.
▶ 1:22:05I suspect is going to make onion as a basis for they're not required to do this under existing law, which is why you're saying the so anyway, that's my view. >> that's your view. Well I agree know enough case law regarding, uh, whether or not the federal govet take it. Um ruled by explicit to provide it. Votes don't have background. Fair.
▶ 1:22:34Cae requirement to to request that or not, which is why we made it explicit in this so that it would be my sense. >> I just have one question, one more question is if the courts e particularly interested in my view the whole chevron deference, the chairman of the house of ham. Um, one last question.
▶ 1:23:01So you're familiar with that? Mhm. Okay. 1980s reagan era law by the house unanimously existed for about a designed to prevent. Requirements on this descriptioe exempted this legislation from the paperwork.
▶ 1:23:33>>. Okay. So to me an acknowledgment. To the american public that house republicans intend to do, notwithstanding. Many have described it as somehow not empowerments and all the, uh, if that weren't the case, I think have a required exemption to the reduc. >> and I see my friend just knoe it's a really important.
▶ 1:24:03>> does? Um from the paperwork? This burdensome. And not only just Mr. but. This place is all on election workers. Right? So if you're at the board, a, um, uh, an, uh. Clerk at the, uh, at your.
▶ 1:24:31Form of what you an expired passport or is documentary proof of . But it's not. There's alreadyg a difficult time. Local boards of elections, state boards, election people don't often the, um, evasion and violence whose work literally um, as Mr.
▶ 1:25:02Mcgovern's pointed out by the president, uh, voter fraud, etc, we're already finding people wh. Now you're going to make them lie, a proof not, uh, in line. . >> thank you to both of booklets . Really. Stretch one question, Mr. douglas. >> thank you, madam chair.
▶ 1:25:26I, ty the democrats, uh, thing. Is that it's not widespread. I think, uh, it's not widespread. It's not a whole number, Mr. style. What level of voter fraus acceptable, Mr. morelli. What l, what's voting is acceptable, Mr.
▶ 1:25:58Style? >> none illegal aliens voting is acceptable. No so. Americans are photo id to board a plane to rent a car and check into a checked, uh, the second amendment. Uh was a we d.
▶ 1:26:26>> you need identification for these that are far less important than choosing the united states america. And the american support. Applying that same standard to voting renders agree that photo id should be required at the comments such as because we are struggling with favorability when in.
▶ 1:26:50Over democrats, a pew y fourths approve of. Democrats I can american elections should be decided by a period. No. Amount of voter fraud . Voting is acceptable.
▶ 1:27:18Ensuring that only participate in our elections should not the save. America act strength by. To pret photo id. Indiana was one of the first we've been doing that for many years. It has turn out much like in georgia. Voter turnout hasn't even after the passage of voter id.
▶ 1:27:47Let's be about part of the reason why this is this area in the first place. Uh policies of the biden administration allowing illegal. Immigrants to enter the country with weak election security. You erode public. Stone. My colleagues will argue there isn't a fraud.y fraud to detect.
▶ 1:28:14But the standard what is widespread, the standard, uh, any. Level of fraud in american electoral, it is a right should be protected by not allowing. Not in our elections. And not fraud. Voter id leads to not more 36 for id.
▶ 1:28:5114 do not prize. Panel to know states that do not voter id on. Mostly, uh, democrat california, hawaii. Illinois, maine, maryland. Matt vada, new jersey, new mexico, new york, oregon, vermont.
▶ 1:29:10This arg somehow causes voter suppression to have voter id mag for years for voter participation, often find our colleagues on the other side oft we that they're doing you
▶ 1:29:41Democrats that don't want to support voter id. Um tend to rig elections unlike colleague had said. The aisle tonight, maybe that's why they don't. It's very hard for understand any in america should be unacceptable.
▶ 1:30:06Does rights oft most, I would say for maybe a thousand it does protect the election integrity and restoring public. I'm a married. Woman. I had to name wt married.
▶ 1:30:35It did not use voting in next election. Even with voter. Let's be clear. The only people threatened by are the people who make ones. It's that simple. So argue that it's too difficult to obtain acceptable ideal. But all 50 states issued driver's licenses , state id.
▶ 1:30:59Cards, uh department of I like in indiana reduced fee or free, especially for seniors or low income. Several national nonprofits special. Mr. stats an. Unreasonable standard to meet the election integrity. No >> um.
▶ 1:31:27Um if I can take a second because can I just go back to the very beginning, uh, in the previous panel that I came before we let close out. Uh to the argument, uh, that we're the work of election of workers.
▶ 1:31:51Um as we know, as code that we're amending that there is would have to knowingly do an action. So that means that someone would have ty registered that that individual would non-citizen.
▶ 1:32:15And so existn this space. Um, if I can clean up one other item that that occurred get to a close know the underlying save act. This isn't an exact photo go through the regular markup. 2024.
▶ 1:32:42Obviously, it came through the house of very beginning of d of let's let's go back can, uh,s hawken, uh, a standard, uh. In america's board, it is incredibly commonplace. 37 require photo identification to vote.
▶ 1:33:06Uh we're the states that n requirements, uh, that are needed. It is not burden. Uh, that would be by students, but it is significant, uh, to enhance. Just to be clear, it is already a lead in the election. But, uh states. No proof.
▶ 1:33:35Proof identification is required in many states. Is that here? So I support the same. Is you'd likeo cover, Mr. style? >> but really important point. And this is again where individuals will say, but it's already a license to elections. That's accurate .
▶ 1:34:04And so you can run the what's the speed limit on the interstate in your respective 7e speed limit. You can limit signt everybody know the speed of indiana is 70mph. So we're actually going to enforce this. So it's yes, the underlying federal cannot vote in us elections.
▶ 1:34:33The save america ad p verification at the. >> I appreciate. And I just would like to note as three the virginia department of election officials, 1481 registration official voter witr removal in status.
▶ 1:34:55Of those non-citizens, 335 individuals or 22 cast a ballot in virginia elections. Non-citizens cast over eight. Te virginia attorney general's no prosecution records related to, even though voting illegally is a classic, jenna.
▶ 1:35:23Thank you, madam chair, for your indulgence . Thank you, miss hernandez. >> recognized. >> thank you, madam chair. Thank you to our witnesses in this debate.
▶ 1:35:40Uh, and I do the house administration with, uh, the now chair constantly opposed, uh, federal laws imposing on the the change. Uh, it's not. Wonderful because it's really sad. But this is about our driver's license. Uh, you're. And Mr. scott has his out.
▶ 1:36:09If you took yours out, I'm. And what we're. Talking about here. Driver's license. Tell. Us where you were born. It does not, does it? No, no, it doesn't either, because what we're talking about is. And you use this to register to vote under your bill. You. Could not use your id.
▶ 1:36:39>> that would example, if you have if you were in the state. >> and I'm asking so in so you could not use that id to register to vote titles. Do? >> I personally do are. The roughly 50% of americans you're woefully off task. >> you travel about 50% of american.
▶ 1:37:07They don't have that money. Is that right? I mean, you certain amount of money to be able to travel internationally, to have to get that passport to pay for that passport. >> passport, 20.3 million american citizens voting age don't have ready access to documents. >> does that sound about right?
▶ 1:37:36>> I don't front of me. Is do you have a 6s to passports. Uh,, they're two very different topics. That's one is one form of citizenship is a passport. >> yeah. Um madam chair of the record, an article from the brennan center entitled 21 points. Can citizens of voting age don't have ready?
▶ 1:38:04And this is ready access. And we already discussed earlier the fact that change the enactment date of this bill to go, um, is it a signed into law if you could tos possible in the law, yes.
▶ 1:38:23And if then there's 21.3 million americans who prepared a future in a few week. They're excited about the republicans. Senators who are running out. Democrat primaries. They want to get you to vote. And they might be on a don't ha.
▶ 1:39:02To citizenship documents. And we are about is that send a law, you are going so many people to vote. And that's, I think, how. Many illegal you know, any voting I would ask, I'd flip the queue of citizens.
▶ 1:39:30Are you worried about being turned away? Pick this into law. Do you care? We. Consider that there may be individuals that are , proof of evidence.
▶ 1:39:46>> and on page 12, of tax, we put forward, uh, back uh, guidance for provide or have that possession sonship ultimately um, to attest.
▶ 1:40:02To their citizenship which is still significantly strong because of um uh as set forward in the in the legislation that e brought forward is interesting because, um, the ranking member that there is a question. So now.
▶ 1:40:27You're saying, well, it's all right to do basically an. And attestation. There'd but not test and then go.
▶ 1:40:39Out and have to spend all that was underlined documents and that is this that's a huge concern that you have eliminated the ability of people to vote, providing documentation, do it in.
▶ 1:41:02I represent a voters, people who travel five hours round trip because we have a lot of some of those little towns and villages. But that's not, and I have a tho do? Like, who's going to help them pay them pay for that gas?
▶ 1:41:30Can they apply for that gas . Can they. What are they going to do? Care. Working. Don't have anyone to leave their kids so they can register to vote during this. When a county clerk's office is open, it depends depends on general restriction. Generally. 8 to 5.
▶ 1:41:58>> not not during election may be yeah. >> but generally police stations that citizens if deterred from. Voting. Uh uh yeah. >> I do want to comment on thatd friend Mr.
▶ 1:42:21Griffith, who also serves the administration, he's I've heard him say several occasions, the needs of rural voters. So 80 million rural americans, many of you mail currently have to travel under this. Bill. And by the way talk about voter id, I just during the difficult issue.
▶ 1:42:50Number of s that harder and harder. That is an going to have to drive inyo county, california, travel. 378 miles round trip election office in order to register seven hours of driving. It's like a burden to anybody.
▶ 1:43:18Seven hours in the.e voters and. To drive over 500 miles, line times in order to designate election. Thm extreme to the department of homeland service. De to drivn some cases, particularly rural hours and. Hours in the car. And by god forbid.
▶ 1:43:47You get to the if miles with another three and a half that was one of your documentary proofs of document, god forbid, means you can't access an inalienable right to vote as an american citizen. Like give small government, the party of rural party of party.
▶ 1:44:13The patient call thisd wants to voter id. I'm not sure about that, but think of these barriers. Think about insecurity, access to private voter id. It'd be just get everyone to have real concerns about this bill not marked. Up in committee. >> right. And the whole issue bill doesn't sit.
▶ 1:44:39Bill sits here statement. That you made because what is to nationalize federal elections? Trump ice offer is officers with guns who already killed citizens are going to show up. This. Peoe part.
▶ 1:45:07Of this and it is called because it doesn't exist in a wd about our election because as my , but is gets prosecuted and interesting enough, it would be more from some of the cases that we've seen.
▶ 1:45:35But your president, your party has didn't sign election and saying that, he says he. Did not asking to find votes within a moment of time on election and on election day and you know, the thing is, is thatt
▶ 1:46:07That somebody who was holding a phone was going our own eyes ane immigrants. And we've already it they are are going to vote republican are afraid they're afraid of the people of,
▶ 1:46:39The trips. That are open that republicans are maybe not the re they're going to hope for tariffs. When republicans vote for that and americans don't like it. And in republicans, it's going to chane the rules of who vote and how expensive is it? How difficult is it? And that's different than you need and vote.
▶ 1:47:07This is about registering to vote. And e key representative, uh, ranking member morality. I am the last democrat. I want to give you a chance. Is there anything that you've heard? >> I well, I thank you, and I appreciate it. I appreciate.
▶ 1:47:27Anm sure we'll this is ultimately make, tens, you know, in to taka plane in a land just your pollig place.
▶ 1:47:46Uh, to register an average to register to vote for hours and 30 minutes. I don't know extraordiy burden to be able to. Avail yourself of your right to participate. Um to highlight thd in the strongest terms, numbers. Uh >> uh, thank you very much.
▶ 1:48:13With that, madam chair, out that I ht here. Uh, it's not dated other because record, uh, because thoe that instead after stay. After state when there is that red active record comments for regid voting and is they're just making it harder than making it more expensive. They're going to more for your right to vote for that . Madam chair, you.
▶ 1:48:43Thank you, Mr. alicia fernandez. >> Mr. >> I think chairwoman covered. T want to thank thank for your leadership on this. Thank you for your work on the talk aboutr times.
▶ 1:49:02And I think the staff, fd work, the piece of legislation, um, just I mean, look, we've, uh, most juso reiterate and just determine style to get your, and then you're ranking member rally italy states are. I just I just to stop for a second. Currently.
▶ 1:49:31States are prohibited from being able a stl systems. Right? A system for state and local checks, citizenship do not because in that assessment? Uh german style for almost every state with the exception of the n vra.
▶ 1:50:01>> and we've actually seen wyoming implement citizen verification. Recently. They've run an election under functionally operating in a very safe, overwhelming do not have , verify and passed by congress. >> this is so that we're tryingo correct that issue right.
▶ 1:50:25And then course, in doing so, we're also believe it's important to have a standard system. Uh, why the. Fair characterization? Very one of the go through the reams of, of examples, but. Um, there are reams of these many oe talked about in other debates in committees.
▶ 1:50:51I don't think it's in the appropriate place in the rules the whole thing. Examples of cases where individuals have been voted who were. Here illegally present, prosecution of set individuals, where there have been seasoned and voter rolls that have taken a lot of work to clean up. There voter ro are not citizens, and that, issue.
▶ 1:51:18And there's a list of over 100 documented cases of onn particular, that was, um, this case with the illinois, the, io. Suit at the time of his arrest. Um, he was just a voter in maryland, despite his illegal immigration status record. And can go through it.
▶ 1:51:45You know, uh, he in the bush illegally, possessed a loaded handgun and a night long rap sheet and go through the entire rap sheet from narcotics, recklg and other issues. And this. Examples. And I can go through those examples of examples, but the large number of people that are on reconcile and in fact chairman like to address that legislation?
▶ 1:52:15>> well, think the roberts example, I mean, you have an illegal citizen in illegal in re before he even gets in. He actually pulled ballots in this is really an important, uh, piece of information. Further, uh. Under federal simple check the box.
▶ 1:52:42If an individual voter registration that individual is eligible to discussions. Whether or not some of these, uh, non-citizens not that they're doing that maliciously, or if states are issuing driver's for.
▶ 1:53:02Biden millions of individuals into the country illegally, uh, owned driver's licenses in some of our really increased risk that we've identified. Why your bill, the save america act, is so. >> and it's gone through it. I think, um, I think, um, perhaps, uh, Mr. fischbach went through it. Claims of the barrier varied. Woman.
▶ 1:53:33Through it in your, um, recent going to be dealing with, um, as it was passed previously twice on a bipartisan basis. Um both times addressed that and not have any problem or. Concern for married women. State law, as you pointed out, is more than deal with. But at an abundance of we added provision in here to try to ambiguity.
▶ 1:54:03In other to clarify and ensure that there's same thing. Might add with, uh , with our uniform that believe that they were, uh, covered under would have been in a place where they would have been able military made very clear here to say, hey, it's not, uh, in this iteration of the bill, anything . It's anything issues. No. >> thank you.
▶ 1:54:30I mean, you, to bo make sure that an individual has the ability to go and register to vote. If we are looking for a parallel in this, vidual goes from one state to another and wants to add chae country has.
▶ 1:54:51We don't concernedn individual wants to sell their chevy is all of a of them everys a process you can go through thd it up. Department of motor vehicles in each respective state. It's a and in many ways work that would be done, uh, for an individual to register to vote can play forward.
▶ 1:55:22>> um, last here, a little long. So I'll try to wrap up, issues,s like 36 or 37 voter >> 36 states have voter id, right? >> often issued to non.
▶ 1:55:39So the issues we did want to address and we were concerned about issue and specio address that in the bill and that uh, uh, I would go things d just say this, it with a clear e there are enrolls and there are clear documented cases of people who are non-citizens. And it is an overwhelmingly popular issue.
▶ 1:56:0980 plus percent support of president by parties,, backgrou, rich, overwhelming support among the country for voter id, american. Citizens vote. But the gentleman agree. Absolutely ande being no burdens on people and on states rolls.
▶ 1:56:34Right, but to ensure we can vote can deal with it. And that might be an issue in the time that there's affidavit there's an issue that our men and women in uniform are coveref legislation to simply say, showw your voter id, ensure that you're a citizen.
▶ 1:56:58You don't evee that everybody's covered. Is that fair, I think. >> then I yield back the thank you much, Mr. roy. >>. >> you like I'm spot where everybody's already sitting at the same way.
▶ 1:57:24Is there anything I'd like to it? We we've covered quite well. >> I think this is any going to allow only us, and you're going to identification when you go and vote. The arguments on the left are false. In the way that they were false.
▶ 1:57:51As against the georgia election integrity legislation as well. Say I really don't understand these, uh, voter registration. Because in my rural or for citizens to be the one fine with voter id, I'm not sure 100% would pretty, but they hold the registrationse rural parts of district.
▶ 1:58:22>> and so the bill doesn't. Say you have to go to the station office in the state of alaska, does it? Registered with the registrar. >> that's accurate. >> registration things that the registrar on around the rural parts of the district that that. Absolutely. Wow. Because that didn't the way I got the some of the questions from the other side.
▶ 1:58:49But I do it was interesting as I was doing a little research over here and wrong it wrong, but to get a report of us now have on our driver's license, you passport, but the. Alternate the first line you're lawfully in the us certificate. Fascinating I yield back.
▶ 1:59:22>>, Mr. griffith. Um. I believe that, um, people, uh, wishing to ask you seeing no other. Things. We appreciate your coming to boost . Thank you both. Thank you. >> uh, let me do about amendments. >> we.
▶ 1:59:57>> all right. Thanks very, uh. >> uh, Mr. clyde in texas, who was earlier? Miss and miss torres and Mr. morelli is going to be standing on. Missoula. It looks like you threw yourself.
▶ 2:00:30So you're we will welcome your and. And we ask you to summarize and have to say to the committee, I understand you have an. >> uh, madam chair, for, uh, the subcommittee on elections. I'm not sure if amendment which you might like. >> do you have.
▶ 2:00:59Uh madam chair, subcommittee on elections. >> there's nothing more important. The. Cornerstone of democracy.
▶ 2:01:15Offering an amendment to address the voter identification provisions in the save that require voters to show only their driver's or birth certificate to register to votee concerning. That do not have.
▶ 2:01:35Ad they're 21 million americans who do not license, not have changed their last whose last name does not match name on their certificates . Maura has had personal impacts for me. Oh we.
▶ 2:02:02Had, uh, a very difficult getting my father, who was a who was disabled. Jim, in a. Wheelchair, a photo id, and he was obviously in very vote sn the ballot and.
▶ 2:02:22For um, and you would think you see, my dad dida driver's license requirements for our he still is that you have a photo id from the.
▶ 2:02:43Voter registrar's office, and so it was really burdensome for my mom to, uh, first of all, to get dad ready to go and photf the matter is that until we had one of, it was really hard to transfer.
▶ 2:03:06Um, buy blessed to have him dressed, ann old courthouse to, uh, the disabilities. Act. So there was no ramp into the courthouse. Um, and.
▶ 2:03:30About 45 minutes until some gentleman helped him for steps., courthouse. And when the elevator, my. Mom said, had a big old sign that. Out of order. That's what it said. Then. My mom. Now, mind you, this is a.
▶ 2:03:58E father in getting the, uh. Let's just. Say by the time we were able to, it was lunchtime. What most people would say the boardf registrar.
▶ 2:04:23My dad and mom I say that because our end, you know, I want to set the record straight. I as should be able to show. The question is what?
▶ 2:04:46And um, I think the biggest have is that um, laws are to have. And so my amendment would do would address is an extensive of documents that verify that uh, their identity, like the utility bill id card, medicare, uh, or
▶ 2:05:18Snap, um, the right to vote so sacred and so fundamental to our democracy . Those have an opportunity to vote. Um, the ability the reason why us disagree about the save act is that you're three things. And those three that that he has less, less.
▶ 2:05:51Whether you are. American citizen or not. And you know what kansas, the state of kansas, uh, uh, institute, uh, the requirement of citizenship, proof citizenship in order to register to vote, I took, uh, over year and a half to implement. And in, 12% of american citizens, uh, you know, were told that they were ineligible.
▶ 2:06:18Only to find out 99% of them that then should be able to vote. I say that to say that before, uh, we've gone down this road that,, that that laws like the city, our ability to access the, the disabled seniors as if. There are a subset of.
▶ 2:06:43Uc wants to limit their ability to vote at is acceptable. So I, um, amendment is pretty simple. It's very common sense. Uh, the list of, uh, options of id in order to vote.
▶ 2:07:10And again, thank you for the opportunity to present my amendment entity. To state, for the record, that should and most agree, show some in order to vote. >> thank you, miss sewell. Mr. mcgovern, we're talking about voting.
▶ 2:07:36Members of congress to vote something we don't do anymore. Um. Um under this and I, is, um, reasonable,I think it makes a lot of sense, um, at the beginning hearing, I asked the chairman of the committee. I pointed out too changes that have been made to this underlying legislation over the last week.
▶ 2:08:05Um through markup or a full hearing process. And the committee of one of the changes that they made was effet until 2027, election, I mean, we have primaries coming up in matter of weeks. I mean, I mean, this is, uh, these states supposed to like, uh ande requirements. Not.
▶ 2:08:35But but you about americans in our election system, you know what I mean? >> look at donald trump.
▶ 2:08:50>> I mean, I asked sitting heref times last friday said even though he he four times in he we times and the chairman did trump win men and straight answer. Why afraid out of. Their minds.
▶ 2:09:23They constantly caved. I. Mean the challenges and the the peope and people who can't register to vote, working people to my all the cities and towns in my district and the hours of the town halls are um, and especially, you know, when it comes to covid, um, you,
▶ 2:09:54Even as we're leading up to an election place to place, the place so that means know, it means people have to ids that, I mean, I mean, I, I mean , this is the idea that all this is just to adhere to.
▶ 2:10:19You know, in the first primaries and, youi don't. This is not a if republie worried about people's come, by the way, that non-citizens or elections anywhere.
▶ 2:10:45I mean, I mean, we investigations, we do have donald trump on the state of georgia asking him to find 11,000. We know that. But um, but I. This, you know, I know selma, um. And on the civil mare discussions that.
▶ 2:11:12Were happening . This is about voter suppression. What they're know,s not Mr. riley might have a question for you. >> yeah, I was governor. If would yield by Mr. morelli. To, uh, present and explain you.
▶ 2:11:42>> uh, madam chair, please save america act. I would offer as an amendment freedom to vote act. The most pro-democracy. The voting rights act of 1965, where the same access ballot, the.
▶ 2:11:58Will expand automatic voter registration and same day save america act would create massive hurdles to vote after day would set national standard for no excuse vote eligible voter where the save america applicants from registering all. The integrity of. Our voter registration list by prohibiting voter purges.
▶ 2:12:23Save america will make the vote act will expand early voting by at least two weeks prior to election day access to the ballot for people .
▶ 2:12:41Since the freedom to vote act will protect access to the ballot abilities and unlike the a national holiday if america act worsens. The crisis of intimidation, the freedom to vote crack down on the violence and the prison, and officials who have remained in constant fear that the current president. And his allies targeted several threats and harassment.
▶ 2:13:09So american democracy is in freedom will dec against soon to undermine our election integrity. Do you. Want me to go to the second amendment, or do you want say gd as they do trust in our government, is by holding ourselves eligible votes
▶ 2:13:42Who. Participate in our democracy. As such, our government act building upon the very good work done, including one of the members of this committee which would be president vice president from trading stocks. It's hurricanes. Believe it is time to end the vice president. Fromg individual stocks ship in this house. To move a week.
▶ 2:14:13Prohibit congressional stock trading proves interest in. Enhancing public trust in this institution. Our oath of fidelil gain or financial benefit. Jared's petition on this bill has nearing the 218 signatures we need senate.
▶ 2:14:35I encourage each of you to seconds to trust to trust our government, corruption. Real corruption. Not. And that's what in governmd do.
▶ 2:14:52While we continue to flail and attempt to distract from policy failures, house democrats will meet congressional stock trading, ban the rules committee recognize the importance of this moment that I. Yield back. >> thank you, Mr. morelle, for .
▶ 2:15:16>> amendment would address votea act authorizes our democracy. Voter is given opportunity to participate in the often. Eligible voters are removed from election day. Here it is. It mue done by using quality data and n control.
▶ 2:15:45Canceled act requires s to purge their. Voter rolls on a consistent basis. Appropriate guardrails to notify voters before. Removing their names. Ln day could millions of of being scooped fre roll in 2024?
▶ 2:16:15Faulty purge for ohio and an effort was made to move rolls using data from te state department of highly secrd is that 93.8% voters removed did us citizens that.
▶ 2:16:42Percent of those that were removed? Let me say it people who are american citizens. Taken off nos that they were american citizens. And this, alabama, myy ensuring that election officials maintain voter is removed from the rolls.
▶ 2:17:10My amendment would would notified f their full, and are. Given an opportunity to contest that removals before the election. As members of congress, we protect the democracy but eligible to participate. Our democracy. I urge the.
▶ 2:17:35Committee to make my more questions you may have about my. >> thank you, miss. I will continue to recognize Mr. mean. I to a brick wall in this committee. Um I say colleagues.o through regular order.
▶ 2:18:02It's notf committee consent. Information um. So I would hope I would just hope, uh, decency that you would allow these amendments, you know, and vote to conscience on the I don't think that's too much to ask. Thing again, the.
▶ 2:18:26Everythit um, again, this this bill did not go, a topic like this, I mean kind of rushing this or and to e fact in a me a break. I mean, this, this whole process is a joke. Yield back. Thank you, Mr.
▶ 2:18:55Langworthy recognize miss lr her. Um, I do appreciate the ranking member and. Mr. morelli pointing out thing on a few here. We should be to repeal tariffs. But the speaker is trying to. Be stock trading speech. He's trying to block that.
▶ 2:19:24So, dan, in congressional. Process here, I think both have passing. If we could just get them to I reallye you've been so, uh, voter id and while citizens.
▶ 2:19:46To vote, um, the tidy that we are m beijing, um, you. Mentioned the asian experiment that happened in kansas to vote because of this type of law. I mentioned earlier, similar impact in pennsylvania.
▶ 2:20:10Two pennsylvanians because this bill, the forms id that you're allowed to and vote in pennsylvania, one form is. Id, it is one of these slowest take states in the country.
▶ 2:20:34Pennsylvanians have a passport, so we already have voa . To vote this year in this election. Any representative who would. Is absolutely not representing. Um, the last thing is, I do appreciate the 250th anniversary.
▶ 2:21:03So your efforts to, um, try to functioning and that everybody. To cast their ballots are really, really appreciated. >> thank you, miss scanlon. I norman from south. Carolina for any questions. Thank you, Mr. norman. I now recognize any. >> thank you very much.
▶ 2:21:29And for those and yes, let's ban let's ban. Stock trading. Senators. The president, the stock utilizing to trade. Stocks simple speaker. Johnson doesn't want to do that.
▶ 2:21:54I'm be able tot because they won't make it in order. Right. They know that republicans would vote for it. Thank out. And it's such a champion. Uh, election integrity for democracy . Thank you.
▶ 2:22:19Pointing out in kae earlier many illegal money and you know, both bank and member responded one right. We don't vote. But I. Think the flip answer. Too many who have off the walls.
▶ 2:22:46And I would ask, that chair, uh, woman. To many. I'm not going to stand for that. Do we kansas citizens? You were th. >> I can actually find out. You can't? >> right.
▶ 2:23:10Do my that, uh, I'm looking at a repoy that it. Was 31,000. Yes like, I don't know, do my republican call. Mr. langworthy, it's all 8 citizens off rolls. No that's not the united. States.
▶ 2:23:44Citizens who were. That's the question in. >> you know, you don't vote if you're an american citizen and you're registered to vote. And u missed the voter roll, not as if this right, you earn it because you're an american citizen. Period. Full stop. You know, I can tell you that I've had moved a lot.
▶ 2:24:13And, you know, with that, uh, and may have missed an election to the matter is that they were kicked off voter rolls and many of so it's a I think that the chose, you know, it's not fair to be you should be opportunity to know that you've been kicked off or to challenge that before.
▶ 2:24:42>> so the 31,000 algorithms who were otherwise eligible to register because. This is the issue here about registration te because kansas say vac, kansas passed the same and it. Was I'm going to quote here political fiasco. It.
▶ 2:25:06Earned by the united states supreme and their own uh, elections. Officer are republican. Did that ten years ago coming in about this iraq wt . Let register to not let the united states. Register to vote. They passport.
▶ 2:25:35And we already talked about how expensive member morality. I fat the decision. What democrats are trying to do, which is to make for people to register and to vote, which is which make it more expensive and more complicated, more burdensome, more paperwork. More red tape. That's what bills highlight.
▶ 2:26:03I represent a lot of morality, and we looked earlier at these,, for, uh, driver's license because you accept five states, none of our driver's license. Could you you could, as they pointed out, you could go and buy, I don't, you know, tylr something, but you just did a vote. I'm concerned about tribal. Acknowledge.
▶ 2:26:34Right? Native american or a member tribe. You're going to have states heritage is thousands of years, right? They have chairman kohl sat there and said, and ice detention.
▶ 2:26:53But we should also make sure that murali could a native american use which demonstrates that they are enrolled member of a tribe to register to vote under the safe. America requires americant shows the.
▶ 2:27:17>> but ids often issued by tribal governments to, which is sort of ironically first americans. The fact. That the save america act effectively give persons using their tribal id I laughable I don't know what it is.
▶ 2:27:38It studies have shown disproportionate, harder time obtaining the need to alongside their tribal id, and I . Spent time in your google stadia, the, uh, the tribes to talk about registering their challenges in. Seems thats disenfranchizing millions of americans of native voters.
▶ 2:28:07So discriminatory. It's just by to disenfranchize, I mean in it tribal id by your nature, your u know, or I mean, id you cannot get that tribal id or descendant unless you are a child. >> another tribal member, period. But about that?
▶ 2:28:35The otht those native americans decisions, not have a force on. Their reservations. So whatever standard of morality. >> yeah, I mean, it's be requirt . To a place where you can register to. Then god help you.
▶ 2:29:03If you say just for m, real id. Uh, I spent hours in my birth certificate. I had my driver's. License, but I didn't have my social card. And in this way, you know, I that I had to go home. I had to make a second appointment. To de to get.
▶ 2:29:31Once you register your vote, you may say maybe I'm not that bad. Maye I just can't at that time. Can'l hundreds of miles because it's so unnecessary. This is your right. Like, like the right to right. >> sorry, after that. Beautiful. >> it was. I just no one heard it.
▶ 2:29:58>> like our guys but but think t fundamentally these are rights that assemble the right to worship, the right to be grievance is rights fundamental rights bill through barriers paperwork. And there's on and ht paperwork to be able for rights. It's just so wrong. >> right.
▶ 2:30:22And we have that tribal id you should be able tot make it up. We're saying show up with that. That tribal registered vote and republicans know no, they know they know d should be enough. But they also know americans tend to vote democrat. They. Can exception. They could have easily made for.
▶ 2:30:57Shame on them. Is there anything else either allow student. Ids either. >> yeah. Those are um, student id with your picture on it. A originally barred id for other forms of, potentially, but then they struck that because they. So couldn't use student id in the bill.. You know, no hunting allowed. Firearms id wouldn't.
▶ 2:31:27It's restrictive, more restrictive than most photo ids. So they're making it even harder for the photo. >> right. It's basically kansas law, which kansas has said we're not doing. I guess we're not going to learn that lesson.
▶ 2:31:45And with that, thank you stories and, uh, your amendment item on the so that, you know, we could end with that, madam chair. Yield back. Thank you. >> I miss nagase, uh, for the purposes of q uh, madam thae any questions.
▶ 2:32:07>> I want to alabama for her courage and leading theh the blunt realities that gration removed from some of the worst, uh, in the history of the country and in grateful to you. And it's a to the member, uh, for his leadership.
▶ 2:32:36They suppose I do have question because most with this with the chairman administration house administration committee earlier during this committee proceeding, in part because public. But I know is not law. The administration committee. And of course, I know it's of that committee has plenary jurists. The election.
▶ 2:33:03Of house members, petition committee makes very weighty professional in terms of contesting seating. Members of the house the chairman who pointedly refused to concede the most basic of fundamental facts, can't tell me whether or not president saw in
▶ 2:33:33The 2024 president election. Won't he's unwilling. Is deep. I think foreboding about what in the future and I'm I'm still going because. Appropriate for someone to answer the question the chairman of that committee. And chair and other committees.
▶ 2:34:02But that committee ought not, given his predisposition, miss sewell, uh, who won alabama presidential election. For donald trump? Donald trump won it. Who york presidential election in harrist for you to say it. I mean. Who r donald?
▶ 2:34:31Not difficult for you all to say. It thank you. For Mr. style to walk in here and tu were here during the exchange. So I'm just, it. But to have him come in here and knowledge. Presidential apparently, because he's. So worried about offending. Nervous that someone at the white house is watching his ad.
▶ 2:35:01Concedes that donald trump didn't win. Minnesota 2084. Notwithstanding the president's rant that, uh, I don't know, maybe he'll earn a imperiled, wo knows? So I, I just member. >> I just one grateful for, whii think of history. If john adams had taken the view.
▶ 2:35:26Acknowledge that he had lost the election in this country, would be, who knows if he would even be, leapr people in losses.
▶ 2:35:41It's a lesson I learned why my say, you don't gloat when you win or object to when you lose, you just, you know, come to do youri think that's what america's the it's fundamentally about. And when people wins and. Losses really just let the voters which is what about. We're in deeply deeply the case. So appreciate your comments.
▶ 2:36:10>> uh, your father and Mr. style is listening. I yield back. >> thank you. Is there anyone else seeking to testify on his seeing? None. This closes the king. Thank to the witnesses, madam chair. >> are we can. >> oh. Oh, yeah. We,. So we will be in touch after the next vote. Series 830.
▶ 2:36:41>> yes, sir. >> uh. Thank you. Without objection, the committee of the chair >> okay.
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