▶ 0:08:43A recess at any time, and I recognize myself for the purpose of making an opening statement before I do so. I just I'm probably out of order here, but I have some friends of mine from the tennessee state senate. I've spent 12 years in that body, and they actually do a lot of great things for the great state of tennessee. So thank you all. Gentlemen and lady, for being here. You're very welcome. Good morning.
▶ 0:09:06We're here to find out about how a once proud american institution fell victim to ideological capture and how to rescue it. The smithsonian institution's national museum of american history was opened in 1964 to instill in americans in foreign visitors alike an appreciation of this nation's distinctive heritage, and to celebrate its singular story as a beacon of freedom and opportunity.
▶ 0:09:31But the museum has strayed, I believe, from the original purpose for which it exists and receives federal taxpayer support. I feel like it's become infected by a woke ideology that's seeped into public displays, educational materials, and planning documents. The american story is the birth and growth of a great nation, founded on powerful ideals in which we aim to fully achieve. But in the museum's current telling, history is just an ongoing power struggle between oppressors and the oppressed.
▶ 0:10:00Only the oppressed are celebrated, especially illegal immigrants. The museum promotes educational curricula that recommends teachers to avoid using the terms illegal, alien and illegal immigrant, while instructing them how to use the terms gender fluidity and gender non-conforming.
▶ 0:10:15It hosts staff discussion groups on how museums can be used to foster social action against white privilege and heteropatriarchy patriarchy and museum display even accuses mickey mouse of having racist origins. The many examples of politicization of the museum are well documented in the comprehensive report. The white house domestic policy council recently issued on july 4th, the nation's 250th anniversary.
▶ 0:10:45The report makes clear that the museum's woke exhibits and materials reflect a broader vision held by the museum leadership, particularly its director, doctor alisa hartig, who is here today with us. Doctor hartig proudly takes credit for changing the museum's mission statement, which no longer uses the term american history or refers to the infinite richness of that history.
▶ 0:11:07The museum is now guided by an interpretive plan that ensures all topics focus on the core issues of our time, and we want to guess what they are. Race and identity. Gender and sexuality. Environmental change. Immigration and migrations and economic inequality top the list.
▶ 0:11:25Also a center for restorative justice at the museum created under doctor hartwig's watch hosted a decolonization working group to investigate historical harms that result in ongoing systematic oppression. To remove any doubt about her intentions, doctor hartig, in her own words, states that she views history as a prime tool of social justice.
▶ 0:11:48Here's a brief telling video the director of museum of american history, in her public remarks repeatedly implies americans are illegitimately occupying their own country. Speaker 2: when we begin, let us pause to acknowledge with gratitude the native peoples on whose land we gather today.
▶ 0:12:16These are the ancestral homelands of the piscataway people, joined by the nacotchtank and the and the pamunkey tribes and, of course, their descendants. We acknowledge the native peoples of more broadly of the americas. Wherever you are at this moment, give thanks to the first people on his land. We live, love, struggle and work. At this moment give thanks to. The first peoples on his land. Were honored to live, love, struggle and work.
▶ 0:12:46Wherever we're viewing this, let us acknowledge and give our respect and gratitude to native peoples for the opportunity to work and live in their territories. Wherever we are today, let us acknowledge and give our respect and gratitude for the opportunity to work and live in their territories. And we're deeply grateful and want to acknowledge and give our respect and gratitude to them and to their ancestors for the opportunity to work in this territory.
▶ 0:13:16Um, let us join in acknowledging the layered complexities of our place. Um, give our respect and gratitude to native local peoples and the opportunity to live and to work and to study in their territories. So wherever you are at this moment, give thanks to the first peoples on whose land we're honored to live, love, struggle, work, preserve care, and do our work.
▶ 0:13:41We give our respect and our gratitude to all of them for the opportunity to work and to live in their territories. Speaker 1: with that, I yield to ranking member stansbury for opening remarks. Speaker 3: thank you, Mr. chairman.
▶ 0:14:00Today we are here because one of the greatest cultural and historical institutions in the world is under attack and is the target of an ongoing campaign to politicize america's independent scientific and cultural institutions by this administration. Let me be clear. This smithsonian institution does not belong to the president. It does not belong to a political party. It belongs to the american people.
▶ 0:14:32For nearly 180 years, the smithsonian has served as our nation's museum, our nation's research institution, and our nation's archive. It preserves more than 150 million artifacts and specimens. It welcomes millions of visitors every year from every single congressional district represented by the people in this room. It supports world class scientific research.
▶ 0:14:57It educates future generations of american leaders, and it tells the story of who we are as a people, as americans. A story that is not perfect. A story that is steeped in, yes, history, tradition, pain and triumph.
▶ 0:15:16That has always been this smithsonian's mission to preserve our history, to advance knowledge, and to help the american people understand ourselves using evidence, scholarship, science, and the truth. The mission has never depended on whether history is convenient, whether it's comfortable or whether you like it or not. It has always depended on whether or not history is accurate.
▶ 0:15:42But what we have seen since january of last year when the trump administration took office, is that this administration has launched an unprecedented effort to interfere in how american history is told, researched, interpreted, presented and taught. Not just in the smithsonian, but in our schools and our institutes of higher education and through and across the federal government.
▶ 0:16:10In march of last year, the president signed an executive order called restoring truth and sanity to american history. Directing the administration to review the exhibit of our beloved museums and federal historic sites and monuments for what it characterized as improper ideology. If that does not send a chill through your spine, I do not know what does.
▶ 0:16:35And they assigned the vice president, jd vance, because of his assigned role as the vice president, as the board of regents for the responsibility of advancing these objectives. But I want to be clear. This order wasn't simply about exhibits. It was about exercising political control over historical scholarship.
▶ 0:16:58And what we saw earlier this month, which was just referenced by the chairman, is that this white house issued 162 page report attacking, attacking the smithsonian american history, accusing museum leadership of extreme political activism, and calls for sweeping changes, calling out individual leaders by name. That is not policy. That is a political witch hunt.
▶ 0:17:26The federal government is responsible for overseeing this independent institution, and this should concern every single member of this committee, regardless of party. Because when politicians begin deciding what facts are acceptable, scholarship ceases to be scholarship. It becomes propaganda. Now, we have seen this throughout american history.
▶ 0:17:51A lot of people are talking about the roots of what is happening in this country right now, is existing in other countries and other places and other authoritarian governments. But we have seen this here in america with the lost cause in the 1920s and the attempt to rewrite american history and to whitewash the confederacy and slavery.
▶ 0:18:14We saw this in mccarthyism here in this country, when a president and a congress went after american historians, actors, and cultural institutions to rewrite the history of this country. We have seen it during this administration, as they had frozen grant funding to institutions across the country.
▶ 0:18:37They have erased the history of our american service members on dod websites, erasing the contributions of black, of hispanic, of native american, of women, of lgbtq, plus people who have served this great nation in the uniform now history.
▶ 0:18:58If you are a student of history, which is what the smithsonian is all about, teaches us why this is so dangerous, and I do not think that it is a mistake that the majority's witnesses in front of us, in addition to the director, are associated with the architecture of project 2025, because it was articulated in that document, and the institutions and the individuals who are sitting in the white house right now
▶ 0:19:28Making these decisions, that they want to rewrite the history of this country and take away the resources and leadership of people who have fought, marched, and served this country for generations so that they could lead in this moment and keep moving our country forward. And they understand that when you remove books, when you rewrite textbooks, when you pressure museums, when you silence scholars, you can do so to articulate power.
▶ 0:19:57Now, this is why today I am introducing this smithsonian integrity and historical independence act. It bars any federal official, including those in the white house, or trying to do this from trying to interfere in the independent institutions of this country and the historic interpretation of our nation's history. And it reasserts our congressional authority over this independent agency.
▶ 0:20:26Now, we have seen this over and over again during this administration that they are trying to take over the independent entities and to assert executive control, that even the supreme court just ruled a few weeks ago. They do not have with the federal reserve. And once again, they are trying to do it again here in this smithsonian. But I want to be clear. We will fight. We will stop them.
▶ 0:20:55We will push back in the courts. We will push back here in congress, and we will push back in our communities all across the country. And we refuse to let historians, artists, scholars and people who love these institutions with their entire hearts to be punished by an administration that is trying to exercise political history, political control, and rewrite american history. So with that, Mr. chairman, I will yield back.
▶ 0:21:26But I am disappointed, after all of the bipartisan work that we have done in this committee, to see this subcommittee used, once again, as a political tool for this administration. And with that, I yield back. Speaker 1: thank you for your heartfelt comments. Without objection. Representative carlos gimenez of florida, Mr. frost of florida, my buddy kweisi mfume of maryland and and ayanna pressley of massachusetts are waived on the subcommittee for the purpose of questioning witnesses.
▶ 0:21:54Today's hearing and others might come in as well. Um, I'd like to welcome today. I'd like to welcome our witnesses. First we have doctor anthea hartig. Doctor hartig serves as the director of the national museum of american history at the smithsonian institution. Next we have mike gonzalez. Mr. gonzalez serves as the e pluribus unum senior fellow for the kathryn and shelby cullom davis institute for national security and foreign policy at the heritage foundation. Next we have doctor matthew spalding.
▶ 0:22:24Doctor spalding serves as the kirby professor in constitutional government and dean of the van andel graduate school of government at hillsdale college's washington, D.C. campus. Uh, last we have doctor david blight. Doctor blight serves as sterling professor of history at yale university. And I thank you all for joining us. And I look forward to your testimony. Pursuant to committee rule nine g. The witnesses will please stand and raise their right hand.
▶ 0:22:49Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony that you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? Let the record show the witnesses answered in the affirmative, and thank you all. You may take a seat. We appreciate you all being here today and look forward to your testimony. Let me remind the witnesses that we have read your written statement and it will be appear. It will appear in the full hearing record. Please limit your oral statements to five minutes.
▶ 0:23:19If you go over, I'll tap the mic. Tap the the gavel so you'll know as. As a reminder, please press the button on the microphone in front of you so that it is on and the members can hear you. When you begin to speak, the light in front of you will turn green. After four minutes, the light will turn yellow. When the red light comes on. Your five minutes have expired and we would like you to please wrap it up and I recognize now recognize doctor hartig for her opening statement. Thank you ma'am.
▶ 0:23:54Speaker 2: thank you sir. Chairman burkett, ranking member stansbury and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify today. I know this committee has questions about the national museum of american history, and I welcome the chance to answer them. As an historian, I have spent my career studying, teaching, and preserving the history of the united states.
▶ 0:24:23My family has served this nation since the revolutionary war, and I was raised with a deep sense of obligation to it and the democratic ideals that the country asks each generation to build and to uphold. Since 2019, I have been honored to serve as the elizabeth mcmillan, director of your national museum of american history, home of the star spangled banner.
▶ 0:24:50It is a true honor to serve alongside my devoted fellow public servants who staffed the museum, and I am immensely proud of our work. Congress created this smithsonian institution in 1846 with an aspirational mission of diffusion and knowledge. Can you imagine the increase in diffusion of knowledge?
▶ 0:25:11It is an independent trust instrumentality outside the executive branch of government, and is governed by a board of regents that includes all three branches of government and nine citizen regents appointed by a joint resolution of congress. The smithsonian takes the concerns raised in the white house domestic policy council's report seriously.
▶ 0:25:33And as we continue to fact check the report, we unwaveringly attest that it does not fairly or accurately characterize the full body of work at the museum. There is always room for improvement, but I also know the beauty and the inspiration and the expertise that lies in our collections, our exhibits and our programing.
▶ 0:25:56When a family walks through the doors of the museum free of charge, as 2 million people did last year, they find the desk on which thomas jefferson drafted the declaration of independence. Horatio green, our magnificent statue of george washington, abraham lincoln's top hat from the night he was assassinated, the greensboro lunch counter, the gowns of the first ladies, and the stories of americans in uniform.
▶ 0:26:25They find the inventions that change the world, and the ordinary americans who built it. I have watched ten year olds with their families stand in front of the star spangled banner with their hands over their hearts. No one told them to. That is the national museum of american history at its most powerful patriotism. Not instructed, but inspired.
▶ 0:26:50Our work is governed by the smithsonian standards of scholarship, accuracy, independence and nonpartizanship. The museum does not take sides in america's political debates. We preserve and document the evidence of american life in all of its breadth, so that the public can encounter the past and draw their own conclusions.
▶ 0:27:16We are also always learning when visitors, scholars, members of congress, veterans and teachers, volunteers tell us we've gotten something wrong or only half right, we take it seriously and we make the changes when the evidence supports them. And when historians talk about reframing a traditional narrative, we don't mean erasing it.
▶ 0:27:37We mean adding the evidence, the voices, the objects that earlier tellings left out so that more americans can see themselves reflected in the national story. We honor the declaration, the revolution, the constitution, our national symbols, and we tell the truth about the times that the country fell short of its own founding ideals.
▶ 0:28:05Telling our story fully is a form of respect for the american people, and a commitment to constantly being in pursuit of a more perfect union. I hope that you will judge this museum the way that the american people do by what's on its walls and what's in its care. Please accept our sincere invitation to walk the building with me. Stand in awe in front of the star spangled banner.
▶ 0:28:30I believe what you will find, madames and sirs, is not an institution that has forgotten its country, but one that loves it enough to tell the full sweep of history, our triumphs and our struggles. I love the united states of america. I consider it the privilege of my career to help preserve its treasures and serve the american people. I'm grateful for the chance to answer your questions today. Thank you.
▶ 0:29:01Speaker 1: thank you. I now recognize Mr. gonzalez for his opening statement. Speaker 4: chairman, ranking member, members of this committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify. Following election day 2024, thomas frank published an op ed in the new york times, suitably titled the elites had it coming. Here's where frank, who's a liberal, wrote everyone has a moment when he first realized that donald trump might well return. And here is mine.
▶ 0:29:28It was back in march during a visit to the smithsonian's national portrait gallery, when I happened to read a text beside an old painting. He described the westward advance of the united states as settler colonialism. I knew instantly with. This nation was going. Some curator of one of the most exalted institutions had decided to use morally loaded academic. Key word to address a visitor to the museum, say a family from the midwest, and teach them a lesson about american wickedness, unquote.
▶ 0:29:59Teaching lessons about american wickedness is now the mission of the smithsonian. It is the intent of the leadership and is precisely what they trained the staff to do. Secretary lonnie bunch, the third, anthea hartig, the director of the national museum of american history and one of today's witnesses, another museum leaders have commandeered the world's largest museum complex and admit that they intend to use it as a tool of societal transformation. This is not why americans entrusted these institutions to them. Culture is not passed in the bloodstream.
▶ 0:30:28National museums are repositories of a nation's collective inheritance so that it can be transmitted to future generations. However, the smithsonian's leadership has subverted this mission on the doctor hartig. The history museum has erased two words from the mission statement. The first is history itself. The word history had to go because doctor hartig preferred the museum to be, quote, very future facing. The other word that disappeared in the new mission statement was america itself.
▶ 0:30:57Director hartig said the term america should include, quote, the entirety of the americas, not just our part of north america. She also said that loving america is complicated. Doctor hartig, the director of the national. The national museum of american history, has deconstructed the museum's mission statement to borrow terms of the postmodernists who clearly guide her work.
▶ 0:31:21We're here today, as you said, because on july 4th, the white house released a devastating report focusing on andy harris museum and the agenda that she pushes. Read the report and you will find that it is not just postmodernism that guides the leadership to see the world in terms of power dynamics, who has dominance and had arrested from them by dismantling the american narrative. This is deeply marxist and gramscian.
▶ 0:31:46In fact, the action toolkit that leadership used to indoctrinate staff at the smithsonian for years even quotes approvingly from the works of the frankfurt school's critical theorist, herbert marcuse. You can understand why bunch began his tenure by adding the. By tying the institution to two ideological and destructive movements the 1619 project and black lives matter.
▶ 0:32:08Blm means blm s main leader had made clear in 2019 that the group's goal was to, quote, keep dismantling the organizing principle of this society, unquote. Yet in in july 2020, as the country was burning, lonnie bunch wrote that he saw a moment of promise and possibility.
▶ 0:32:29Bunch said that the smithsonian, the smithsonian would legitimize the 1619 project, except that historians from both sides of the spectrum decried the shoddy scholarship and inaccuracies of the 1619 project for ideological reasons. Lonnie bunch put the smithsonian's reputation at serious risk, and director hartig endorsed all of it, pledging to, quote, work to reframe the traditional celebratory narrative of U.S.
▶ 0:32:56History, unquote, to force a, quote, national reckoning, national reckoning from a history museum. This erasure of american culture must end now. As stanley kurtz wrote last week, you can say that the economy and foreign policy are more important than these cultural battles over the long haul. However, that is simply not true, unquote. You need to clean house and relieve all smithsonian leadership of their duties.
▶ 0:33:23Also, the authorized the yet to be built latino and women's museums, which will no doubt become two more incubators of anti-american grievances. We can see this in the precursor exhibits that they've had. Loving america is not complicated. Doctor hartig is wrong. I implore you to do your jobs. Thank you for your attention. Speaker 1: thank you sir. Doctor spalding. Speaker 5: thank you. Chairman, ranking member.
▶ 0:33:52Stansbury, members of the committee, uh, the national museum of american history is one of the country's greatest treasures. Contains some of the most iconic artifacts of american history. Jefferson's writing desk, washington's uniform, the great american flag that inspired the national anthem. But it no longer provides the story that makes those objects intelligible. Indeed, the national museum of american history is no longer the nation's museum of american history.
▶ 0:34:18The white house domestic policy report saving america's story, catalogs in great detail. Over 160 pages and 522 footnotes. The many controversial, objectionable displays at the museum. But those details are evidence of a larger transgression. The real crime here, premeditated and followed through, is that america's story?
▶ 0:34:38The well-established narrative of main characters and key events long at the center of american self-understanding, has been so reframed, jettisoned, disinterred, deconstructed and problematized that it no longer exists in any recognizable form.
▶ 0:34:56America's story has been replaced by an altogether new and controversial approach, defined by postmodern theories that see history as processes of oppressive power struggles, and use history as a tool to encourage social transformation. Now, that might be an interesting abstract discourse for the faculty lounge, but it shouldn't be the rubric for the nation's smithsonian museum. The report concludes, rightly, in my opinion, that the museum has become subject to institutional capture.
▶ 0:35:24That is the big picture the forest we should not miss for all the trees. But don't take my word for it. The current director has said that the national museum of american history. We work to reframe the traditional celebratory narrative of U.S. history. The center for restorative history at the museum describes its work as systemic intervention.
▶ 0:35:45Instead of intended to transform the national historical narrative and restructure institutional priorities, the museum's mission has been changed. Its previous mission was to explore the infinite richness and complexity of american history, to help people understand the past. Its new mission is to empower people to create a more just, a more just and compassionate future by exploring the complexity of our past.
▶ 0:36:12As was noted, american and history are both gone, replaced by our past and understandings replaced by empowerment. This is not a history based on established facts in known reality. Indeed, it is not history at all. This is the very definition of an ideology, a systematic framework for interpreting society, challenging the social order, and instigating political and social action. This is not the purpose of the national museum of american history.
▶ 0:36:41It is not the mission of the smithsonian. It is not congress's legislative intent, and it is not what taxpayers should be subsidizing, subsidizing to the tune of $1 billion a year. A national museum of american history should tell the american national story. It should present the facts of history, what actually happened as accurately as possible, and with minimal present day bias. Americans history belongs neither to liberals nor conservatives. It belongs, as noted to the american people.
▶ 0:37:13It should be told, warts and all, so that visitors understand the basic chronological narrative and see how the nation got to where it is today. Nothing integral to that history should be erased or whitewashed, but social transformation should not be the objective. The national museum of american history should tell the story of a nation and a people driven to overcome injustice and live up to its heritage.
▶ 0:37:40A story of imperfection, but also overwhelming accomplishment of tragedies, but also great triumphs of hardship, but also heroism. Over the course of our history, americans have made choices, taken actions, sacrificed, corrected flaws, made a more perfect union, and struggled to live up to those principles. The outcome was never fully known, but there remains a certain nobility about it a healthy attachment.
▶ 0:38:12This country is neither blind to its flaws nor fanatical in believing that america is the source of all good. Nevertheless, each generation should be equipped with the knowledge of america's principles and history, a reverence for their liberties and a reflective love of their country. That patriotism must be strong enough in unsentimental enough to coexist with criticism, dissent, disappointment and opposition. But it is love all the same. Without the civic foundation supplied by reflective patriotism, a of self-governing people, a republic will perish.
▶ 0:38:44A museum focused on claims of systemic oppression teaches national self loathing. Why should taxpayers subsidize a museum that teaches contempt for their country and reframes its past to serve ideological purposes? Such a museum is not worthy of a great country, should not receive the imprimatur of congress, and is unfit to shape the minds and hearts of the american people. Thank you. Speaker 1: thank you doctor, doctor black. Speaker 6: thank you, Mr. chairman and madam ranking member and members of the committee.
▶ 0:39:12Uh, it's a very special privilege, uh, as a historian, to have this opportunity to defend one's craft. As historians, we often dwell in the past and professionally we should.
▶ 0:39:26But in the spring of 2025, with president trump's executive order restoring truth and sanity to american history, and now with the white house's report saving america's story, the president has come storming into our work lives with vengeance. And we welcome the challenge. The present is inherently interwoven with the past.
▶ 0:39:49The white house now believes it should pronounce on the nature of history and the presentation of the nation's treasures that the smithsonian. The recent report by the white house domestic policy council is nothing less than a declaration of political war on the historian's profession, as well as on the freedom and curiosity of anyone who reads or visits museums. In other words, president trump has declared war on free minds and free education.
▶ 0:40:18Historians are not voices of the state. We are keepers of memory, and in. At our best, we're storytellers with trained imaginations. And yet they declare with such certainty what forms of.
▶ 0:40:35And these are the words of the report heritage, destiny, settled truths, and indeed stories that the smithsonian should instill one of the report's favorite verbs in the minds of the public. Historians are now fighting back in the interest of scholarly history, well told for the broadest possible public. Ours is a beautiful and ancient craft, essential for any society's need for self-understanding.
▶ 0:41:05We are equipped with a host of modern methods, but guided ethically by very old rules that no authoritarian political project ought to be allowed to profane. As historian, a historian reads, listen, searches, measures, imagines his or her way into and through all manner of evidence facts sometimes clear, sometimes slanted. Every which way.
▶ 0:41:32We examine, read, accumulate, sift, study these modes of evidence with hopefully empathy and humility. Then we rise up from all our data and our sources and all manner of context and fashion. All this into a story, into narrative, in order to inspire and take our audiences somewhere.
▶ 0:41:56And once we get them there, we are bound by our craft to make an argument about why this all happened and why it matters. People often comment on how trumpism would like to return us to some version of the 1950s, when america was great. In this report, they have transparently done just that.
▶ 0:42:19The report is rooted explicitly in the cold war of the 1950s, in the founding of the national museum of american history. Its legislation and dedication speeches, the founding words and sentiments understandably breathed the rhetoric of cold war triumphalism. How could it have been otherwise? The report offers no context for what might have invoked such expressions.
▶ 0:42:46The soviet achievement of the hydrogen bomb sputnik, the korean war, the cuban missile crisis, the march on washington and the assassination of president kennedy. Had the domestic policy council consulted trained historians, they might have provided some context. They might also have consulted with edward r murrow. Famous commentary in 1954, the year after the museum was conceived on joseph mccarthy and his assaults on free speech.
▶ 0:43:13We can deny our heritage and our history, said moral, but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. Erase mccarthyism and it will come back. Erase any other 50 difficult aspects of american history. They will come back. Triumphalist history cannot tolerate nuance, ambiguity, complexity, but they are lifeblood for real historians.
▶ 0:43:45Also, in a deep cold war context, james baldwin wrote in an essay entitled also 1962, as much truth as one can bear that the problem with the way americans approach history is that, quoting him, words are mostly used to cover the sleeper, but not to wake him up. We do not write woke history, whatever that is, but we do try to awaken citizens.
▶ 0:44:14In recent decades, we sowed the wind with new kinds of history. Here comes the whirlwind. If we're not careful, we will end up with what the great writer toni morrison called statist history, and it will create what she called sanctioned ignorance. That's what's at risk. Thank you.
▶ 0:44:45Speaker 1: thank you sir. Uh. Without objection. Uh, my buddy representative representative don beyer of virginia has waived on the subcommittee for purposes of questioning. Witness today's hearing. Speaker 7: Mr. brad knott. Speaker 1: and Mr. burleson, you're not here. Okay. I now recognize myself for five minutes of questions. Um. Chair lady hartig, is that what we call you or director? Doctor what? Director or doctor? Your doctor. Okay.
▶ 0:45:15You got director up there, doctor. I'll call you doctor. Doctor, you earned it. I'll give you the title. How about that? Yeah. One time I made the mistake of calling a coach, mister, and he reminded me he was coach. So you earned that title, and you get it. Uh, I, I do appreciate your constant, uh, land acknowledgments that were in the film. I'm wondering, have you ever planned on dating any of your personal property or property of the smithsonian to any of these tribes?
▶ 0:45:45Speaker 2: I don't believe that's pertinent to the conversation, sir. Speaker 1: well, I mean, you you, you, you say that every time you open your, um, your meetings, apparently. And I was just curious of that acknowledgment if that was something you were you were planning on doing.
▶ 0:46:03Should the american history museum be the site that focuses in on what we have in common, the shared national heritage of great ideals and revolutionary events, or focus on what you deemed the issue of the day, which are race, identity, gender, gender and sexuality. Ma'am? Speaker 2: yes, sir.
▶ 0:46:24At the national museum of american history, we strive to create a museum where our visitors will be inspired by the collections, programs and exhibitions, and they will choose what they each will do to keep our american democracy strong and vibrant. And they'll play that chosen part with passion. That is our hope. Speaker 1: okay, I do think that most americans would disagree. Agree with you on the most important what the most important issues are.
▶ 0:46:53How did the museum determine those core issues of the day? Speaker 2: so the, the, the smithsonian and the museum are committed to rigorous, fact based museum quality experiences.
▶ 0:47:09And to tell the full and rich story of america and in a way that enlightens and welcomes every visitor, we use historical evidence, competing perspectives, and acknowledge enduring debates so that visitors can understand how we've wrestled with democracy and citizenship and liberty and national identity.
▶ 0:47:31So in our work to document the stories of all americans throughout time, we really do hope that they everyone who comes in can see themselves reflected. Speaker 1: okay. Gender and sexuality are highlighted by your museum. Um, the poster behind me shows an exhibit called entertainment nation on display. Now, do you think these exhibits behind me are appropriate for children?
▶ 0:48:01Speaker 2: so I recognize some of the, um, the images from entertainment nation and from, I think some other sources. But let me, I think, tell you what I think is most important, ma'am. Speaker 1: ma'am. I mean, you have pictures of bondage. You have some overtly sexual things up there. You have transgendered folks. I assume that's what they are.
▶ 0:48:28Um, and some I don't care who it is. I don't care who it is. It's still not a fan, I can tell you that. But in another exhibit, a six year old girl asks why she doesn't have male genitalia. Do you really think that content is appropriate for children? I mean, do you think little little girls have penises? I mean, let's get to the basics of this. Do you think that's appropriate?
▶ 0:48:57Speaker 2: so, sir, I believe the exhibition and project you're referring to is girlhood. It's complicated, which was a temporary exhibit in our museum that closed, I believe, in 2010. Speaker 1: and I didn't ask you that. I asked you, do you think is it appropriate? Speaker 2: so in that exhibit, sir, with permission of the author, we shared a 13 year old's diary, which I believe is what you're discussing. And in that diary, they wrote about sleepovers and latin class and math exams. Speaker 1: ma'am, do you think that's appropriate?
▶ 0:49:27I appreciate this limited on time, ma'am. Do you think that's appropriate? Do you think that is appropriate for a child to see? Yes or no? Speaker 2: I understand your question, sir, but. Speaker 1: no, you don't. You're not answering. You're just running on, ma'am. And I appreciate your your hospitality. But the reality is you're not answering the questions. You're funded by taxpayers. And the taxpayers would like to know, is that appropriate? Speaker 2: so, sir, girlhood it's complicated was not designed for children.
▶ 0:49:52It had a label in the beginning of the exhibition that shared with parents about some of the topics that would be covered. And we do that with with exhibitions that we think kind of need that need that help. So parents then can come and. Speaker 1: all right. Thank you, ma'am, I understand you're not going to answer and I'm going to run out of time, but given some of your previous comments, including america was founded based on the supremacy of white men, loving america is very complicated.
▶ 0:50:21America's 250th anniversary is worth problematizing would, uh, why should you? Do you think you should continue leading the national museum of american history? Speaker 2: it's the honor of my career to serve as the. Elizabeth mcmillan, director of the national museum of america. Speaker 1: thank you, ma'am. We're out of time. Thank you, sir. All right. The next, Mr. lynch from massachusetts. Thank you, Mr. chairman. First of all, I want to thank the witnesses for attending and to help the committee with its work.
▶ 0:50:50Um, I'd like to level set this hearing, though, so I'm going to ask you as, uh, in this discussion about our history, uh, doctor harding, who, who won the 2020 presidential election, please, I only have so much time. Is that a tough question? Speaker 2: good. Good morning, sir. No, it's not a tough question. Joseph r biden won the election. Speaker 1: Mr. gonzalez.
▶ 0:51:20Speaker 2: yeah. Speaker 4: biden was president from 2021 to 2020. Uh. Speaker 1: who won the election, sir? I'm just trying to test where you're coming from. Speaker 4: biden won the election. Speaker 1: excuse me? Speaker 4: biden won. Speaker 1: the election. Okay, Mr. doctor spaulding, thank you, doctor joe biden. Okay, great. Thank you. So, uh.
▶ 0:51:41You're all keenly interested in preserving american history. I heard from all of you that, uh, you care about the facts, the evidence, the narrative. Um, you know, as an irish catholic from boston, uh, I was in the third grade when john f kennedy was assassinated. And, uh.
▶ 0:52:05The nuns in our school made sure we understood everything about jfk's life. Uh, you know, he was a lot of people don't realize he's the only president to ever receive the purple heart because of his his heroism in the solomon islands during the second world war.
▶ 0:52:24Um, and importantly, he and jacqueline kennedy were the principal founders of the, the kennedy center for the performing arts. And much of the drive came from jacqueline, to be honest with you. But but the president and the first lady raised all the funding for the kennedy center for the performing arts.
▶ 0:52:53And, and in his life, you know, and at the end of his life, president kennedy sacrificed everything, everything for this country. And you know where I'm going with this?
▶ 0:53:09The current president came in having nothing to do with the establishment of that, that institution, and put his name above, above john f kennedy's on the kennedy center for the performing arts as an irish catholic from south boston that was stolen, valor that was stolen valor. He had nothing to do with that.
▶ 0:53:35And it was distortion of history to someone who, who visited that for the first time, they would not know. They would not know the history of that building. And the fact that it's the only building in the united states capital that that honors kennedy's memory and his legacy. Kennedy sacrificed everything. You know, he inspired me to get into politics.
▶ 0:54:03Doctor blight is is let me ask you, is, is distorting that in in, in that stolen valor, renaming that building, changing the history of that building with no, with no basis for doing so? Is that, is that a distortion of, of our history as well? Speaker 6: of course it is. Speaker 1: erase it. Speaker 6: sorry. Of course it is. Erase it and it will come back. On that day I was in Mr.
▶ 0:54:33Baron's ninth grade civics class when he went to the door to get the information that kennedy had been shot, and he addressed the class to tell us the president was dead. I will never forget that. And what a great museum does, what a good class does, what a historic site does is it simply inspires a sense of history. Why the past matters. You could not have been in a schoolroom that day and not had a sense of history.
▶ 0:55:01It certainly was part of mine. Speaker 1: thank you. You know, I understand, you know, sometimes political correctness can, can, can act as censorship, or it can distort. Uh. It can distort the, the history and, and, and, you know, the way we view the world.
▶ 0:55:28And I understand that, I understand it, and I understand some of the, some of the pushback is about perhaps the censorship that that is present in, in political correctness, but then the facts are the facts. Dear god, you know, the president, you know, continually goes back to 2020 election to say that he won and we should stand together and reject that crap. Thank you. I yield back.
▶ 0:55:57Thank you sir. Yield to Mr. cloud from texas. Speaker 7: thank you, Mr. chairman. Director hartig, I visited, as I have many times, the museum of american history, um, and what I think I find most troubling is the fact that you can do a lot with real
▶ 0:56:30History. Um, and what's concerning is the distortion, I think of the truth and in the context, and just, for example, the american democracy, a great leap of faith, you know, this exhibit, you turn the corner and the first thing you see, uh, is this it's a wall. And the two words, of course, that pop out are privilege and slavery. Now, is that a part of american history? Sure. Should it be covered up? No. Uh, but what makes america unique and exceptional isn't, for example, the fact that slavery was a part of our history.
▶ 0:56:58It was a part of almost every nation's history. What makes america unique is the fact that we worked to overcome it, and we're leading on the world stage in, in getting rid of it. Um, and as I walked through, you mentioned as you walk through the doors, you'll see thomas jefferson, you'll see, you know, abraham lincoln's top hat. And those are in the museum. Yes. But that is not what you see when you walk in. What you see is exhibits to, uh, social reform.
▶ 0:57:27You'll see, uh, displays in the, in caps or the, the, the display, the glass displays on the side, pictures of drag show or pro abortion language and all these different kind of things. I'm curious, you know, I was really surprised as we're celebrating the 250th anniversary of our nation. Uh, how did we come up with the 250th anniversary? Like, what are we celebrating in the 250th anniversary?
▶ 0:57:57Speaker 2: thank you, sir, and thank you for your visit. And, um, we've hosted, I think since january 25th. Senators and house. Speaker 7: ma'am, I know your intention today is to filibuster the entire time. There's a particular document that was signed in july 4th, 1776, uh, for which we celebrate. Could you. Speaker 2: absolutely, sir. So when you come into the museum right now. Speaker 7: that would be the declaration of independence, ma'am. Speaker 2: yes, sir.
▶ 0:58:22Speaker 7: I was surprised to find that in the museum of american history on the 250th year of anniversary, there's not an exhibit for the declaration of independence. Now, sure, there's jefferson's desk, and it takes up a very small space in a. But you would think I went through the museum looking for the words we the people. And you would think when you walked in, that would be the biggest, boldest thing, especially on the 250th anniversary.
▶ 0:58:50The idea of e pluribus unum, or out of many, become one. That's what makes america unique. Uh. And yet your take seems to be to take the uniqueness, the unity of america, and to try to divide us up into different things. Why? Who, who made the decision not to have a display for the declaration of independence on our 250th anniversary? Speaker 2: so, sir, I'm going to go maybe back a few beats and answer your your I think your first question of the. Four.
▶ 0:59:17So the declaration of independence, of course, signed and ratified on july 4th in 1776 in philadelphia, appears on a full wall in the price of freedom. Our history of the military on our third floor eastern wing. It's a it's a blow up. Speaker 7: yeah, yeah. Speaker 2: it's it's in. The exhibit in the. Speaker 7: in the back. But you have to walk through a bunch of junk to get there. As a matter of fact. Right. Right now, you would think. Speaker 2: I'm happy to answer your question.
▶ 0:59:46Speaker 7: this would've been a great time to pull out all the artifacts. I, I thought, let me look and try to find something on john adams. You know, and I'm not saying it's not there, but it's hard to find john adams, john jay, caesar, rodney, we can talk about christmas. Atticus phillis wheatley, the poet laureate of american revolution, all these different kind of things. What would you say is the most influential book in american history? Speaker 2: so if I may go back to your second. Speaker 7: question, what what would you say is most influential book? Speaker 2: may I go back to your second question? Speaker 7: you can answer the one I just asked you.
▶ 1:00:15Speaker 2: well, I you know, as a historian, it's probably hard to choose which is the most influential book in united states history, but I can tell you what's the most influential document. And that is the declaration of independence, which appears in different ways. Most influential 4 or 5 times. Speaker 7: the founders quoted one book more than any other book. Speaker 2: the founders were very well read. And as you know, thomas jefferson's library became the core of the library. Speaker 7: yes. And that book would have been the bible. Secondly, would have been common sense by thomas paine. I went to the bookstore.
▶ 1:00:43I couldn't find common sense in the bookstore. I did find, you know, these books. Uh, here's george takei. It rhymes with takei. Uh, a book in which, um, he talks about, you know, one young man lusting after another. I'm not sure why this is in our american history museum and the kids section, mind you. Uh. That's that's you think is important to having the american history museum.
▶ 1:01:10Speaker 2: so george takei, as you know, the actor from star trek was incarcerated during world war two as the result of executive order 9006. And his children's book, I think, is a beautiful. You made. Speaker 7: the decision to put that in there, but not common sense. Speaker 2: especially with senator alan simpson. Thank you sir. Speaker 1: Mr. subramanian. Speaker 8: uh, thank you, Mr.
▶ 1:01:40Chair. Uh, so we're here for a hearing entitled rewriting american history, examining the smithsonian's efforts to reshape the past. And this was in response to a domestic policy council report. The domestic policy council is a part of the white house. And what's interesting is that I was looking back, this seems to be one of the only domestic policy council standalone reports this year.
▶ 1:02:06In fact, perhaps this administration, the only one I could find, was the last one they did on the national report on paper straws. And so this is how our domestic policy council is spending its time at a time where we have higher costs across the board, or we have a war going on in the middle east and where we have people hurting every single day. On losing their access to health care, losing their access to food assistance because this domestic policy council recommended it be cut. That's where we are right now.
▶ 1:02:36And, uh, I think it's really important. Mr. gonzalez, I want to go back to a quote you quoted stanley kurtz in your opening saying, you can say that the economy and foreign policy are more important than these cultural battles over the long haul. That's simply not true. Do you stand by that, that these cultural, um, battles are more important than our economy and our foreign policy? Speaker 4: oh, absolutely. Yes. I think it was lincoln who said, no, no soldier, no foreign soldier. Speaker 8: so you. Speaker 4: think that a drink from the mississippi.
▶ 1:03:06Speaker 8: so you think that this this particular hearing on what the smithsonian, where the smithsonian is putting thomas jefferson's desk is more important than people facing higher utility costs. Speaker 4: that's not what the report is. Speaker 8: based on. That's what you just said. Speaker 4: that's no no no no, no. Speaker 8: the report is the cultural battles are more important. Yes to you. And more important than the higher costs of living that americans are facing today. Speaker 4: over the long term. They are. And it's not about where the thomas jefferson's desk is. Speaker 8: I think the I think the president would agree with you.
▶ 1:03:35I think this administration would agree with you. And that's how they've acted. And so let's just talk about the report. Since everyone wants to be here to talk about it, it seems the report actually had a lot of things that weren't true. For instance, the opening of it talked about how the, um, the smithsonian wasn't speaking enough about america. 250 but I looked at the smithsonian's website and the first thing it talked about was america. 250 a director, hartig, did the smithsonian talk about america? Speaker 2: 250 yes, sir.
▶ 1:04:03We've been planning for years to celebrate the semiquincentennial, and it's an honor to do speaker 8: and the report complained that thomas jefferson's writing desk and george washington's uniform were not on prominent display. Were they on display at the american history museum? Speaker 2: yes, sir. And then we're honored that the jefferson's writing desk went over to the smithsonian castle to be part of secretary bunch's american aspirations. Speaker 8: and then it said it didn't have quotes from the declaration of independence.
▶ 1:04:33I guess they were nitpicking about one specific sentence that are quotes from the declaration of independence on full display at the at the museum. Speaker 2: yes, sir. Speaker 8: okay, so it seems like it wasn't a very good report either, but I looked back and they by their admission, it was a months long report involving multiple staff. Mr. gonzalez, how much money do you think that report costs the american taxpayers? Because you're at the heritage foundation. So I know you care a lot about american taxpayers. Speaker 4: I have no idea. Speaker 8: you have no.
▶ 1:05:00You didn't ask about how much the report actually costs. Speaker 4: no one would be hard to assess. It'd be hard. All the input that went into the report, how much it cost? Speaker 8: I asked, I asked ai. They said probably millions, potentially. Yeah. But yeah, probably staff time because of outside. Speaker 4: I would advise you against using ai however. Speaker 8: yeah. Speaker 4: okay. Speaker 8: to ask somebody because you didn't have the answer. Speaker 4: yeah. Hallucinates a lot. Speaker 8: yeah. Sounds good. Well, um, the other thing is, do you think there should be mentions of trump's impeachment at the museum? Speaker 4: um, sure. I mean, yeah, it happened. It's history.
▶ 1:05:31Speaker 8: do you think there should be a wing of the museum dedicated to president trump? Speaker 4: I have no idea. I'm not a curator. I don't know whether there should be a wing dedicated to president. Speaker 8: do you think there should be a wing of the museum dedicated to president trump? Speaker 5: I don't think there should be a wing dedicated to any one president. Speaker 8: okay, interesting. Even george washington. Speaker 5: I think in the context of what he did in terms of the american revolution, the revolution, that kind of thing.
▶ 1:05:56Speaker 8: I think what's actually happening, it's not that you don't want ideology in the museum, it's that you want your ideology in a museum, and you want the museum to reflect your values, your specific views on things, and not the views of what actually happened, which was the facts. And so that's what we want is we want the facts in the museum. We want people to come away with patriotism because they will, if you show them the facts of this great country. And so I. Speaker 5: completely agree. Speaker 8: for everything that's happened in this first 250 years of america, the good and the bad, the bad wouldn't have led to as good as what we've gotten 100%.
▶ 1:06:26I look forward to the next 250 years, and I look forward to teaching my kids and grandkids the facts I yield back. Speaker 4: we agree. Speaker 5: great. Speaker 1: thank you sir. Miss nice from south carolina. Speaker 9: thank you, Mr. chairman. Uh, doctor hartig, how many children visited the national museum of american history last year? Speaker 2: hi. Good morning ma'am. Speaker 9: answer the question. How many kids? Speaker 2: good morning ma'am. Since we don't charge, we. Speaker 9: are you the director of the museum? Speaker 2: I am, ma'am. Speaker 9: okay.
▶ 1:06:54And you don't know how many people visited the museum last year? Speaker 2: 2 million. Speaker 9: how many of those were children? Speaker 2: ma'am, I don't. Speaker 9: don't even know. Speaker 2: okay. For you. Speaker 9: but do you agree that educating children about american history is a core duty of the museum? Yes or no? Speaker 2: absolutely. Speaker 9: and our images of sexual fetishes appropriate for children, yes or no? Speaker 2: so, ma'am. Speaker 9: it's a simple yes or no. Or is sexual imagery provocative sexual imagery appropriate for kids?
▶ 1:07:21Yes or no, ma'am? Speaker 2: we strive to represent all americans. Speaker 9: you strive to represent. We're pedophiles, indoctrination, grooming of kids at an american history museum. And it sounds like you're proud of it. You won't answer the questions, probably because you're ashamed. And as a woman, I really can't believe you will stand sit here today and you can't even admit that sexual imagery like this behind me.
▶ 1:07:49They tell me, my staff tells me this little trinket around the penis. This is bdsm in a in a setting where children are walking through. That's disgusting. Like, what kind of message are you trying to send to kids with bdsm imagery? What is what are you trying to tell kids? Are you sexualizing children? Is that what your your motive is for the museum? Why? Speaker 2: so that's specific to peace.
▶ 1:08:17Speaker 9: do you know how many kids get raped by adults every year in this country? This kind of thing. When you are dressing men up as women drag queens, you're putting this kind of crap in front of kids, sexualizes them and makes them more vulnerable to people that want to rape them or abuse them. Or when we have men and women settings that want to do harm to, to women.
▶ 1:08:40Um, you talked about the girlhood exhibit and you didn't want to answer the chairman's questions earlier, but it was a diary featuring a six year old, a six year old that reads, everybody was talking about getting boobs in their period. I pray to god every night for my penis to grow. Daughter, can you tell me, look me in the eye and tell me that that belongs in an exhibit for kids, ma'am. Speaker 2: girlhood. It's complicated, was not an exhibit designed for children.
▶ 1:09:08Speaker 9: I know you had the little disclaimer thing, which is. Speaker 2: sort of a diary. Was of a 13 year old going through puberty. Speaker 9: okay. Do you think that's an appropriate thing to put in an american history museum where there are children walking through? American history? Speaker 2: right. So girlhood that complicated? Speaker 9: okay, I'm moving on because you just gave I don't know how much money you spent on getting prepped for this hearing. They did a good job because you're filibustering and not answering a single question from a single republican today.
▶ 1:09:35Um, do you believe that men can become women? Speaker 2: ma'am, as the director of the museum, that's not relevant in this case. Speaker 9: it's very relevant. You're you've got men dressed up as women, and you have them on displays in front of kids. Do you think men can become women, yes or no? Speaker 2: so rupaul's drag race, which is the. Speaker 9: it's a man. Rupaul is a man who dresses like a woman, literally. Um, what is a woman, doctor hartig?
▶ 1:10:05Speaker 2: as a director and as a historian, it's not my opinion. Speaker 9: you sexualized the american history museum. So this is a fair question. What is a woman? Speaker 2: so at the museum. Speaker 9: what is a woman? Speaker 2: we strive to represent and not categorize all. Speaker 9: okay, I have another question for you. There's a glossary at the museum that informs visitors that while american culture traditionally recognizes two genders, other countries recognize three or more. So enlighten me this morning.
▶ 1:10:34How many genders are there, ma'am? Speaker 2: which glossary. Speaker 9: this is okay, this is a display and it has a glossary that says other countries recognize three or more genders. So I would like you to enlighten me today. You're the director of the american history museum who's sexualized things in front of kids. I want to know, I want to ask you, how many genders are there? Speaker 2: so first of all, I'm happy to. Speaker 9: hear. Speaker 2: how many you about the. Speaker 9: how many genders are there? Speaker 2: sure. Speaker 9: and what are they?
▶ 1:11:05Speaker 2: I'm not sure which glossary you're speaking of. Speaker 9: of course I know that you don't. You know exactly what this hearing was about today. One of your exhibits at the american history museum says sometimes gender isn't revealed at birth. So when is gender revealed? So when was your gender revealed to you, doctor? Speaker 2: so I don't really think that's relevant to the. Speaker 9: it is relevant. You have a display at the american history museum. Talking about gender isn't always revealed at birth.
▶ 1:11:33So when was your gender revealed? Speaker 2: so since I'm a phd and. Speaker 9: I wasn't done yet, but I'll yield back. Mr. chairman, thank you. Speaker 2: thank you, miss mason. Speaker 1: Mr. walkinshaw. Speaker 10: thank you, Mr. chairman.
▶ 1:11:51I'm actually glad we're having this hearing today of the subcommittee on government efficiency, because finally, we have abandoned the pretense that this subcommittee has anything to do with government efficiency, just like elon musk's doge wasn't about efficiency. It was an ideological purge of the federal government. This assault on the smithsonian has nothing to do with efficiency. It's an ideological effort. To quote Mr.
▶ 1:12:20Gonzalez, a cultural battle. But let's go ahead and talk about rewriting history. Let's talk about it, because that's what the trump administration is doing as we speak. It's jackie robinson. Before he stepped on to ebbets field, he wore the uniform of the united states army. He broke major league baseball's color barrier in 1947. He didn't just transform a sport. He challenged one of the last great institutions of legalized segregation in america.
▶ 1:12:49He helped move our country closer to the promise that talent and character matter more than the color of your skin. I guess for president trump's department of defense, he was part of the dye problem we've heard about today because he got erased, removed from the website, canceled, restored only after public outcry.
▶ 1:13:12The tuskegee airmen flew more than 15,000 combat missions during world war two, escorting american bombers over europe. They didn't just help defeat nazi germany, they helped to dismantle segregation in the us. Armed forces. Somehow, they're also part of the dye problem we've heard about today because they were erased.
▶ 1:13:38The air force removed a documentary on the tuskegee airmen from their course instruction. Navajo code talkers. Young navajo marines developed an unbreakable battlefield code that japanese forces couldn't crack. It helped american forces win some of the toughest battles in the pacific, save countless american lives. Also, apparently, part of the dye problem because they got erased.
▶ 1:14:13Now, the trump administration and my republican colleagues are focusing their anti dye erasure efforts on the smithsonian. Last week they released this report we've discussed today saying the museum has been captured by, quote, extreme political activism. It's pretty extreme. Deleting jackie robinson. Why the report? Because the museum tells the full american story.
▶ 1:14:43It examines slavery alongside liberty. It discusses immigration alongside citizenship. It recognizes the struggle for civil rights alongside our founding ideals and, yes, the flaws of our founders. But according to this administration, that's not patriotic. They erased jackie robinson.
▶ 1:15:05They erased the tuskegee airmen, they erased the navajo code talkers, and now they want to take their big orange eraser to a proud american institution, the smithsonian. We should reject this effort to erase our history. Because in america, the truth has always been our strength. It's not a weakness.
▶ 1:15:36Mr. gonzales and doctor spalding, doctor blight, can you tell us the damage that is done when history. Jackie robinson, navajo code talkers, tuskegee airmen is erased from websites from course instructions. How does that hurt america? Speaker 6: well, if you want inspiration from history, you can't start any better than this. Delete jackie robinson and he'll come back. His name was hank aaron.
▶ 1:16:04Uh, his name was frank robinson. His name was bob gibson. And I could name a thousand more. Uh, good luck trying to delete anything that people really care about in our history. They're going to find out about it. And the fact that you can even delete it is something they can take, because they have some faith in institutions like the smithsonian, which they love and want to go to. We'll bring that story to them.
▶ 1:16:32What's lost is, uh, curiosity, understanding, you know, our job as historians, um, is to understand the dead. Sorry, you become relevant when you're dead.
▶ 1:16:49Uh, but the reason we want to understand the dead is so that we can really understand the living and to delete the dead, because somehow they don't fit a category that we like in the present is to soil the present. Speaker 10: thank you, I yield back. Speaker 1: Mr. gale from texas. You're recognized. Speaker 11: thank you, Mr. chairman. And thank you for holding this hearing.
▶ 1:17:19Uh, and to the witnesses for taking the time, uh, to travel all the way out here. Director hartig, thank you for being here. Um, would you say that that the goal of history, even if it's not properly carried out, would you say that the goal of history is to be objective? Speaker 2: thank you, sir, for the question. You know, I think that there are many goals of history.
▶ 1:17:47And certainly as you collect, as we do examine evidence creates objectivity. Speaker 11: one of the goals of history. Speaker 2: we strive to be objective and nonpartisan and not based on any. Speaker 11: so it's one of the goals. Doesn't that seem a little bit concerning?
▶ 1:18:02It certainly does to me, because as part of this white supremacy document that your organization has promoted objectivity as a core and defining aspect of white supremacy culture, do you think that it's the goal of the smithsonian institution to promote white supremacy culture? Speaker 2: sir, do you mind sharing with me which document. Speaker 11: white supremacy culture right here?
▶ 1:18:28Um, this is part of the mass action toolkit that your organization has promoted for several years now under your leadership. Speaker 2: um. Speaker 11: are you promoting a white supremacy culture at the smithsonian? Speaker 2: am I promoting a white man? Speaker 11: is this a difficult question? Speaker 2: no, sir. I'm just thinking about the mass action toolkit. We didn't develop it. But, um, back to your question.
▶ 1:19:00No, we're not promoting any ideology. Speaker 11: does it concern you that your goal is objectivity? One of your goals is objectivity and your mass action toolkit references objectivity as a defining characteristic of white supremacy culture. Speaker 2: it's not our toolkit. Speaker 11: it is your toolkit. You, um, you've been promoting it for quite some time. Speaker 2: we did not come up with the toolkit, sir. Speaker 11: but you've been promoting it. Speaker 2: it is used as a reference, I believe probably in 2019, 2020. Speaker 11: yes.
▶ 1:19:29Under your leadership it has been used as a reference. Um, is mickey mouse racist? Speaker 2: mickey mouse is not racist. Speaker 11: it's not racist. According to the smithsonian institution, one of your exhibits referenced mickey mouse as representing, quote, vestiges of long standing traditions of blackface minstrelsy. Would you describe that as racist? Speaker 2: no. The historical trajectory of the origins of of, of mickey mouse tie directly.
▶ 1:20:00Speaker 11: to mickey mouse is, is rooted in racism. Is that your testimony? Speaker 2: sure. It's rooted in minstrelsy. Speaker 11: minstrelsy. You don't think that blackface minstrelsy is racist? Speaker 2: it's certainly an obvious racial overtones that have been well documented. Speaker 11: I think that that's problematic, that mickey mouse also has those racial overtones. Speaker 2: it's not for me to determine what's problematic. It's determined to me what's accurate. Speaker 11: is that right? Um, is it important to be polite? Speaker 2: excuse me. Speaker 11: sir, is it important to be polite? Speaker 2: yes, sir.
▶ 1:20:31Speaker 11: it's also interesting because the same mass action toolkit that your organization has been promoting references politeness as a defining characteristic of white supremacy culture. Ma'am, are you a white supremacist? Speaker 2: no, sir. Speaker 11: you're not. Can you help me square why? Your organization says that being polite is part of being a white supremacist. Speaker 2: I'm not exactly familiar with that passage of the mass action toolkit, which.
▶ 1:21:03Speaker 11: is not. I can show you. Speaker 2: the passage here. I don't pardon me. Speaker 11: I said, I just read you the passage from it. Speaker 2: and then your question was, sir. Speaker 11: we're going to move on. Um, what is what is latino power? Speaker 2: what is latino power. Speaker 11: latina power. Speaker 2: latina power would be the, the forces, um, derived from being a latina.
▶ 1:21:28Speaker 11: do you think that it's appropriate for the smithsonian institution to sell latina power paraphernalia, hats, mugs, other things that say latina power? Speaker 2: I believe that the merchandise our store sells. Speaker 11: I'm asking you if it's appropriate. Speaker 2: tries to reflect the richness of of the communities. Speaker 11: so your testimony is that it is appropriate. Speaker 2: those are your words, sir. Speaker 11: I'm asking you, is it appropriate to sell latina power paraphernalia?
▶ 1:21:58It's a yes or no question. Speaker 2: I don't have control over what is. Speaker 11: I'm asking you if it's appropriate. I didn't ask you if you have control over it. Is it appropriate. Speaker 2: sir. Speaker 11: yes or no? Speaker 2: again, we strive to represent all americans and including. Is it. Speaker 11: appropriate, yes or no? Speaker 2: we strive to represent all americans in our museums, including in our merchandise. Speaker 11: is that right? And time's up. Speaker 2: thank you sir. Speaker 1: thank you sir. Mr. mfume from maryland. Speaker 10: Mr. chairman, you see. Request yes.
▶ 1:22:26Ask unanimous consent to enter into the record a newsweek article from march 19th, 2025 titled jackie robinson army jackie robinson's army history deleted by pentagon. Speaker 1: so ordered. Anything else? Mr. mfume, you're recognized. Speaker 12: Mr. chairman. Thank you very much. I only have five minutes, so I'm going to try to make the most out of it by making some very clear points.
▶ 1:22:55Black people across this country are outraged at what is happening now with these efforts to do away with the african american museum and all of the smithsonian. They're outraged because they've lived too many years, been through too many struggles, suffered too many bruises, and clearly have very, very, very little to show for that sojourn here in this country. I want to be real clear about this. If you erase it, we will replace it.
▶ 1:23:24It's that damn simple. We don't seem to learn. If anything, we should be looking at history to learn and to make sure that we are taking advantage of what we've learned. You know, it was abraham lincoln in 1848 who addressed his countrymen in edwardsville, illinois.
▶ 1:23:46And he said, and I quote, when you have succeeded in dehumanizing the negro, when you have put him down and made it. But for him to be. But as the beast of the field, when you have extinguished his soul in this world, and placed him where the ray of hope is blown out, as in the darkness of the damned.
▶ 1:24:10Are you quite sure, he asked, that the demon you have roused will not one day turn and run you, he said, what constitutes the bulwark of our freedom and our independence? It is not, said lincoln, our crown and battlements. It is not our armies and our navies. It is not our bristling seacoast.
▶ 1:24:34For all those things are not our reliance against tyranny, because they can all be turned against us without having made us weaker for the struggle, our reliance, he said, as americans, is in the love of liberty which god has planted deep within all of us, regardless of how we look and where we come from, he said. Our reliance is in the spirit of freedom, which prides itself as the heritage of all men in all lands, everywhere.
▶ 1:25:07And then he admonished, destroy that spirit, and you would have planted the seeds of despotism at your own doorstep. Ignore, he said, the chains of human bondage, and you prepare one day for your own limbs to wear them accustom, he said, to trample on the rights of other people, and you would have lost the creative genius of your own american independence, and as such would become the subjects
▶ 1:25:39Of the first cunning tyrant who rises among you. Sound familiar? History taught us and still teaches us that we can't keep making the same mistakes. So I know this is a big discussion about a lot of aspects about the museum, but I'm here as a black man who grew up in segregation, who wasn't allowed to go certain places, who drank from a water fountain that said colored, who found his mother
▶ 1:26:10And his father unable to do anything other than basic day work. And if for no one else, if for them and their spirit and all the other nameless and faceless black men in this country, and black women who made their bodies bridges that some of us could get to the university, that some of us could get to a good job, that some of us could get to the united states, if for no other reason.
▶ 1:26:36I want this to go out loud and clear, and I'm not speaking just on behalf of myself. I know that I speak on behalf of so many people who are not here today. We will not let you destroy that museum, no matter how long it takes, how many battles are required, how much effort is needed. We will not allow that to happen unless you find a way to kill all of us and walk over our bodies to change history.
▶ 1:27:03That history is too sacred, it is too precious, and it will not be erased. Because, as I said, if you attempt to erase it, we will continue to replace it over and over and over again. I yield back, Mr. chairman. Speaker 1: thank you, Mr. mfume. Mr. burleson, you're recognized. Speaker 13: thank you, Mr. chairman.
▶ 1:27:28Director hartig, what do you believe is the core purpose of the national museum of history of american history? Speaker 2: thank you, sir, and good morning. The beauty, I think of the museum is to truly take the over 2 million objects we have. Speaker 13: but what is the. Speaker 2: core fellowship? Speaker 13: what is your. What is your mission? What's the core purpose? Speaker 2: tell the richest story of america's past that we can.
▶ 1:27:57Our mission is to empower people to create a more just and compassionate future by preserving, sharing, and exploring the the complexities of our past. Speaker 13: okay. In your 2024 presentation, you said the museum changed its mission in part to help people get out of the america quote unquote, america first mentality. So my question is, what specifically wrong about the american first mentality? Speaker 2: so we changed the mission.
▶ 1:28:27Like most organizations and corporations do. When I came that we had an expired strategic plan and we created a new mission, the. Speaker 13: so okay, is your contention that you just changed it because you just needed to change it under your direction? Speaker 2: no. Most directors. Speaker 13: I'm asking specifically, you made the statement that you have to get out of the quote unquote, america first mentality. What did you mean by that?
▶ 1:28:53Speaker 2: I'm not sure which of my public appearances you're referring to, sir. Speaker 13: director, let me ask you, are you america first? Speaker 2: I'm a very proud american. Speaker 13: that's great to hear. Um, do you love america? Speaker 2: I love this country unconditionally. Speaker 13: that's that's great to hear. At one point you stated that loving america is very complicated. Mhm. Um, let me ask you this. Recently we had visitors all over the globe for the world cup.
▶ 1:29:21What I think is the common thread that we saw across all social media platforms was an astonishment and disbelief, you know, astonishment and amazement of things that preconceived ideas that they had about this country, um, some of those preconceived ideas were that americans were dangerous, that everywhere they would go, there would be shootings and people, um, you know, all of the crime that would occur.
▶ 1:29:48There were preconceived notions that americans were all hostile and xenophobic, um, that, that americans were, that everyone is living in poverty unless you're rich. Do you think I mean, after this happened, what do you think caused the rest of the world to believe all of these ills about the united states of america, these falsehoods about this country?
▶ 1:30:17Speaker 2: you know, the world cup was was truly remarkable in terms of how it brought everyone together. Um, I'm, I'm unsure what they, what they were using as their basis for that. Those conclusions, sir. Speaker 13: well, some are people are spreading false information about the united states. Right. And you say you love this country. America's first. You're proud of america's history. Speaker 2: absolutely. Warts and all.
▶ 1:30:39Speaker 13: okay, so wouldn't it be nice if the rest of the world saw the the history of the united states as being the one, the country that led the world through economic prosperity, particularly after world war two with the marshall plan, led multiple nations out of prosperity? Speaker 2: absolutely, sir. And in our mars hall of american enterprise, which tells the amazing story of american business, they see this just that. Speaker 13: wouldn't it be great if we had if we, the rest of the world, saw us as.
▶ 1:31:09What we truly are is the the the one country that led the world and inspired them to eliminate slavery, to eliminate all of all of the all of the genocides that happened. Speaker 2: absolutely. And I think when they come through the museum overwhelmingly, wherever they're from, you know, from, uh, you know, from nashville, tennessee, to nome, alaska, they come out and they say they come out more inspired. Speaker 13: so what was the origin of that?
▶ 1:31:37What was the origin of what created all of these great things that inspired the rest of the world, that lifted people out of poverty, that ended genocides, or at least inspired the world to to end their genocides. What was the what was the original precipice of that? What was the original beginning? Speaker 2: so the revolutionary era, of course, with its brilliant founding documents, with the declaration of independence, with that sword, those two soaring.
▶ 1:32:03Speaker 13: so I think that what we're trying to to compel what I'm trying to convey is that when the rest of the world is having a hard time with disinformation, there's enough negative things that are being said. You would think the one institution that would be trumpeting the, the, the great and wonderful things that this country has done, especially at a time where we're celebrating the turn of 50th year, 250th anniversary of this country, would be to showcase that, to showcase our founders.
▶ 1:32:31And that's and with that, I yield back. Speaker 2: yeah. Thank you sir. And absolutely I agree. Speaker 1: Mr. frost from florida. You recognized sir. Speaker 14: thank you, Mr. chair. You know, I gotta say, listening to this hearing, I think many of my colleagues would benefit from actually stepping foot in the smithsonian institution's, maybe not just reading talking points from the white house or reading what, what, uh, what they're supposed to say. I've been in these museums.
▶ 1:32:59I mean, talking about the national museum of african american history and culture specifically. It tells the whole story, the ugly and how america and americans came together to get rid of slavery, to fight jim crow. But it tells the whole story.
▶ 1:33:15So I maybe this committee should do like a, a field trip and actually go through these institutions to actually see the full story be told, because I would contend that many of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle have never stepped foot in any of these institutions, at least not in a long time. Director hartig, thank you for being here. Um, can you please share a little bit about your experience as a historian? Speaker 2: uh, thank you. Thank you, Mr. frost. Um, I came to history as an undergraduate.
▶ 1:33:45I thought I was going to be an english major, but I took my first history class and I was rowing crew for ucla at the time, and I hoisted my ten speed, my shoulder, and I walked up the stairs to the history department.
▶ 1:33:59I declared that I wanted to be an historian, and since then, as a public servant, um, and as a public historian in which we look at archives and material culture and museum work and historic preservation work, I've been completely motivated to figure out how then I can best serve the nation. And being the elizabeth macmillan director of the museum, uh, certainly is the highest calling. Speaker 14: yeah. Thank you. Mr.
▶ 1:34:28Gonzalez, are you a professional historian? Speaker 4: actually, actually, I have been paid by publishers to write history, so I am. Speaker 14: okay. How many exhibits have you curated? Speaker 4: oh, no. No, I'm not a curator. Speaker 14: okay. How many exhibits have you curated? It's a separate question. Speaker 4: I haven't curated any exhibits because I'm not a curator. Speaker 14: thank you. You haven't curated any exhibits. Thank you. Yeah. Uh, doctor hartig, um, is your work partizan? Speaker 2: no, sir. Our work is not. We don't seek to advance any political agenda.
▶ 1:34:59Speaker 14: yes, ma'am. Does the museum take political sides or have a political agenda? Speaker 2: no, sir. Speaker 14: does the museum have exhibits that challenge people's views or may make them feel uncomfortable? Speaker 2: history is incredibly challenging, and by the by then, its very nature. If we tell it in its richness, we absolutely, I think, have objects that can make people uncomfortable.
▶ 1:35:23And, you know, I hearken back to secretary bunch's words that he was told by a sharecropper that, you know, tell the people both what they want to hear and what they need to hear. So I think depending on where you are, certainly there can be a level of discomfort. Speaker 14: thank you. What review process does the museum use before opening an exhibit?
▶ 1:35:46Speaker 2: so the museum goes through a rigorous scholarly presentation of the way in which exhibit objects and stories and interpretation relate to one another. That's reviewed extensively. Also, depending on the size of the exhibit, um, our in pursuit of life, liberty and happiness exhibition, our 250 object exhibition for america 250 went through exhaustive review with also peer reviews as well.
▶ 1:36:14Then it is is presented up to the undersecretaries um and often the secretary in conversation with our review. Speaker 14: thank you director. Mr. gonzalez, who should decide what's in a museum? Speaker 4: um, I would say that the curator, but also overseen by the leadership of the museum, the taxpayer does spend $1.1 billion in the smithsonian. So the smithsonian is accountable to the american taxpayer.
▶ 1:36:46Speaker 14: all right. Thank you. Um, I have a yes or no question. Should exhibits capture american history as it happened without bias? Speaker 4: yes. Speaker 14: was slavery a part of american history? Speaker 4: yes. Speaker 14: was jim crow a part of american history? Speaker 4: yes. Speaker 14: is it important that museums discuss these topics at length so people understand the gravity? Speaker 4: absolutely, yes. Speaker 14: do you believe that american art should be consistent with the trump administration's cultural and political goals? Speaker 4: I have no idea what that that is. I cannot comment on that.
▶ 1:37:14Speaker 14: do you believe that american art or do you believe that the smithsonian goals should be consistent with the trump administration's cultural and political goals? Speaker 4: I don't I again, I don't know how you define that. I cannot answer it. Speaker 14: you seem to have a long standing personal vendetta against the smithsonian that started well before the white house report. And I asked you this questions because I'm concerned about censorship.
▶ 1:37:35I'm no historian either, just like you, but I know that nazi germany weaponized art and museums to demonize certain groups. Doctor blight. If congress or the white house starts deciding historical interpretation, how is that different from political censorship? Speaker 15: it is political censorship. Speaker 6: it is political censorship.
▶ 1:37:57Uh, and, uh, their model may indeed be, uh, joseph goebbels committee on enlightenment, which is what the nazis called their committee that tried to control museums. Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sir, I yield back. Speaker 10: Mr. chairman, I have a request. Thank you, Mr. chairman. I'd like to enter into the record. I ask unanimous consent. Reuters article from january 2025.
▶ 1:38:24Trump's anti d order yanks air force videos of tuskegee airmen and female pilots. Speaker 1: so ordered. Mr. fallon texas. You recognized. Speaker 16: thank you, Mr. chairman. Uh, director hartig, you hold a very prestigious position. Uh, it's an awesome responsibility. We're honoring american history, and we have a rich history in these past 250 years. In 2019, when you took the did you take the job in 19?
▶ 1:38:54Was that is that right? Speaker 2: good morning, sir. And yes, I did. Speaker 16: okay. And what was your pay then? How much did they pay you? Speaker 2: my starting pay was 300 zero zero $0. Speaker 16: and what's it today? Speaker 2: um, it is about $370,000, which is paid from an endowment, not federal funds. Speaker 16: okay, but you do agree that you work for the american people. Speaker 2: every day, sir. Speaker 16: all right. And all of them, even the ones you disagree with. Speaker 2: we welcome everyone to the. Speaker 16: alright, wonderful. Yes.
▶ 1:39:22The majority of the funds for the museum paid for by the american taxpayer. Speaker 2: so of the smithsonian's appropriation, for which we're very. Speaker 16: majority, the majority is. Yes. Okay. Just because we have limited time. Speaker 2: yeah. So if I may, sir. So again. Speaker 16: sorry, we have very limited time, but it's a majority. All right. We agree there. Webster's I looked up the definition of history because it's very important in our conversation today. And it's a chronological record of significant events such as affecting a nation or an institution, often including an explanation of their causes.
▶ 1:39:51And as such, I think we hopefully would all agree that you need to take great care when presenting history. It needs to be fair and balanced and is objective as any human being can be. Two and for all americans and not colored with, you know, we don't want to color the museum, uh, in our history with your personal beliefs, biases, ideology, and preconceived notions.
▶ 1:40:14And I think it's important to take that step back and bring in a present, a comprehensive look at american history that displays all of it good, bad, ugly, triumphant, etc. Director, do you believe you've done that these past seven years? Speaker 2: to the best of my ability. Speaker 16: uh, john smithson, when he donated, I think it was in 1826 when he donated his fortune. He said it was to increase in diffusion of knowledge among men. I think we would all agree people now.
▶ 1:40:41And the precursor to the museum was the national museum of history and technology. And that's important in a minute. And they wanted to always focus on the story of american progress. Director, do you love the united states of america? Speaker 2: I do, unequivocally wonderful. Speaker 16: I do as well. We agree on on balance, do you believe the united states has been a force of good in the world? On balance. Speaker 2: united states is the world's longest consecutive running democracy, and. Speaker 16: I would take that as a yes, truly.
▶ 1:41:10And just because we have limited time. Yes. So yes, two out of two. Okay. And you believe we still are today. Speaker 2: pardon me, sir. Speaker 16: and you believe we still are today? Absolutely wonderful. So the united states, would you agree with the statement that we're the greatest nation in history has ever known? Speaker 2: I think that I would refer judgment in terms of. Speaker 16: all right. So I gotta take that as a no because it's an easy answer. Yes, yes, yes. So we got three out of four. That's not bad.
▶ 1:41:35Under your leadership, did you direct staff to frame and tie all the exhibits in the museum to seven core social issues? Speaker 2: no, sir. Speaker 16: you did not, not not not on like race. Speaker 2: gender. Speaker 16: climate, climate change, immigration, economic equality, technical. All right. Well, 250th anniversary. We agree that america's 250 years old, um, as far as a focus and highlight for the two 50th. Did you have any new exhibits on george washington?
▶ 1:42:06Speaker 2: so we have. Speaker 16: again, I apologize just because we have such limited time. Do you had did you did your museum decide to say, hey, you know, it's the 250th anniversary. We're going to feature george washington. Speaker 2: we do feature george washington. Speaker 16: can somebody take this? Yeah. Speaker 2: we featured george. Speaker 16: no. But did you do you have you're not answering the question. I'm so sorry. Yeah.
▶ 1:42:27Did you have any new the 250th anniversary and you decide as a board, we're going to have a new exhibit that highlights and focuses and celebrates george washington. Speaker 2: we highlight and celebrate. George. Speaker 16: so you didn't have any new ones. Speaker 2: it is a new exhibit. Speaker 16: you have a new one just for george washington for the 250. Great. How about thomas jefferson? Speaker 2: he is predominantly both. Speaker 16: am I, Mr. chairman, I reclaim my time. We have very limited time. How about thomas jefferson? Did you have a new exhibit on thomas jefferson?
▶ 1:42:58Speaker 2: the two. You had a new exhibit that included thomas jefferson. George. Speaker 16: you didn't solely focus on thomas jefferson. How about ben franklin? Speaker 2: pardon me? Speaker 16: did you have a new exhibit on ben franklin? Speaker 2: we had a new exhibit that included Mr. franklin. Speaker 16: all right. So on the founding fathers, how about great inventors? Great american inventors? Any new exhibits on that? Speaker 2: we had a new exhibit that included many great american inventors. Speaker 16: a brand new one for the 250th. Speaker 2: yes, sir. Speaker 16: yeah.
▶ 1:43:27Like alexander graham bell, thomas edison, nicholas tesla, eli whitney, john deere. Did you also have one that, uh, celebrated a 12 day pride celebration and create a special display honoring a queer mexican and undocumented man. Speaker 2: for the 250th? Speaker 16: uh, did you do that this year? Speaker 2: no, sir. Speaker 16: uh, you're under oath. You didn't do that. Okay. All right, my time is up, I yield back. Speaker 1: thank you. Miss pressley. You're recognized.
▶ 1:43:57Speaker 17: thank you. Our shared american history, our shared american history is under attack. Donald trump is working overtime to turn our museums into instruments of maga propaganda, rather than places where american people and visitors from around the world can encounter our factual history. I had the privilege this weekend of visiting the civil rights museum in memphis, tennessee, a smithsonian affiliate, and and what I, I took in there was factual.
▶ 1:44:26It was powerful. It was equal parts devastating and also instructive, which is why people are working so hard to erase it. And let me just be clear, try as you might, to erase black history and to erase black people, you cannot erase us. But I digress. The work of our museums is so very important.
▶ 1:44:52Uh, doctor hartig, that work deserves visibility, gratitude, protection, not vilification and threats. Since taking office, the trump administration has become synonymous with fascism. While there is no one set definition, historians have generally agreed upon several characteristics. Doctor blight, you were selected to be the president of the society of american historians. So I'm going to ask you to keep me honest on this.
▶ 1:45:16Now, what I've learned is that fascism usually includes elements like undermining fair elections, a constant targeting of vulnerable people and labeling them as enemies, and an overwhelming amount of government corruption sounds eerily familiar. A damning and devastating deja vu at the moment we find ourselves in right now, the element I want to focus on today is the fascist hostility to our history, academia, museums and the arts.
▶ 1:45:45Doctor blight looking at history, why do fascists and autocrats attack cultural institutions like museums? Speaker 6: madam congressman, it's because they believe that's where you can control people's minds. You can sustain a social order. You can control education. You can control the arts. You can control writing and creativity itself. It is not just the nazis.
▶ 1:46:10There have been plenty of other neo fascist or fascist regimes that have attempted to do that. Speaker 17: thank you doctor. Yeah. This is, uh, this is anti-freedom agenda. They want to control what books we read. Uh, what is in our museums, what we do with our bodies, attack the free press, degrade free speech. It's an anti-freedom agenda, doctor blight, what warning signs do you look for when society starts drifting towards fascism and authoritarianism?
▶ 1:46:40Speaker 6: first, I look for the breakup of political parties. Then I look at. I look for this kind of assault on cultural institutions, on things like the national park service, which reaches more students than any of us who teach in universities. Um, I look for attempts to control the media, uh, which is the dissemination of knowledge.
▶ 1:47:01Uh, and, uh, I look for any attempt at the control over free minds, free speech, freedom itself. Speaker 17: thank you. History gives us a chilling example of what happens when a government decides that it alone will define what counts as good art and acceptable history. I've heard the stories passed down in jewish families of germany in the 1930s. As the nazi regime consolidated political power, it turned its attention to museums and to galleries.
▶ 1:47:30The regime started with criticism, labeling art as degenerate and claiming it didn't fit with the national culture. But then they started attacking museum directors and curators, and eventually art pieces were confiscated from museums and locked away or sold. In 1939, nazis publicly burned thousands of paintings that they couldn't profit from the united states holocaust memorial museum details much of this history. Fascist attacks on museums are not just about history.
▶ 1:47:56Today, the occupant of the white house labels entire aspects of american history as quote unquote, divisive, and uses the power of his office to pressure the smithsonian to remove, whitewash and to rewrite our stories. I'm not here to exaggerate, just to educate. And what is spurring this all on? What fuels this fear of a black planet, fear of a multiracial democracy. The occupant of the oval office project 2025. This cult of maga.
▶ 1:48:27They are fueled by fear and hate. Doctor blight. When people see the warning signs that you mentioned, why is it important that they speak up and take action? Speaker 6: um, well, it's important because if the people don't stand up, they lose these institutions. And as you just suggested, the black world came to america for the world cup.
▶ 1:48:47Uh, I wonder if, uh, I wonder if people notice that the world is black and brown and the teams from european countries where black and brown and, uh, we ought to take some lesson from that. And by the way, to that point earlier, sorry, that, uh, they were getting disinformation. Well, who were they getting the disinformation from? And, uh, let's remember what fascinates the world about america is our contradictions.
▶ 1:49:17Speaker 1: your time is up. Speaker 6: so fascinating. Speaker 1: thank you. I'm sorry your time is up. Uh, Mr. jack, thank. Speaker 5: you, Mr. chairman. Speaker 16: uh, my first question. Speaker 18: is to Mr. gonzalez. I appreciate your testimony today. Um, we've heard some pretty concerning things throughout this hearing. I'm curious, from your perspective, what's fueling this ideological takeover of many of our institutions? Speaker 4: yes. Speaker 19: I thank you, senator jack, good to see. Speaker 4: you again. I agree with doctor blight that fascists tried to seize the past to control the future.
▶ 1:49:44But it really is a the trademark of marxists. This is what marxists do. Uh, I think that people who want to truly transform the country, seize the cultural institutions in order to mold how people think this is their own words. Uh, the leadership of the smithsonian says constantly that it wants to use the museum to transform america for societal transformation. They see history itself as a tool, an instrument to, to, to change society.
▶ 1:50:13So you only have to quote what they say they want to do. Speaker 18: what would you say are the most egregious examples of this takeover that you've seen on display in the smithsonian? Speaker 4: well, we I think we have gone through many of them here. Um, um, let me correct the record because it was said earlier that the mask toolkit was not produced by the smithsonian in on page 64, it says that it was coauthored by half a dozen current and former smithsonian employees.
▶ 1:50:41The fact that the staff of the smithsonian is trained, uh, you know, trained for four years after for three years after the smithsonian apologized. I think that's pretty damning. It was trained for four years on how to use history to transform america.
▶ 1:50:58I think the, the, the, the fact that the, for example, on the on the franklin exhibit, they pondered whether he had ever done, um, experiments and electrical electroshock on, on indentured servants or, or slaves without producing any evidence whatsoever. I think that is pretty shocking. Why smear a founding father such as ben franklin with by by pondering such a such a such a really bizarre thing.
▶ 1:51:31Speaker 18: well, said director hartig, I'm curious. We've heard a lot of concerning examples as just referenced. Do you have any regrets in your tenure thus far of some of the exhibits that have been displayed? Do you regret any of the exhibits and if so, which. Speaker 2: good morning sir. I am incredibly proud of the work we've done, but we are imperfect and we surely have made mistakes. But I don't have any regrets. Speaker 18: which mistakes would you say you've made? Speaker 2: there are always factual errors.
▶ 1:52:01One of my favorite currently is that one of our volunteers has pointed out that we've been mislabeling a coin in the american presidency exhibit for years. And we were, of course, you know, slightly embarrassed about that, but we fixed it. Speaker 18: have you had any negative feedback from secretary bunche or others in leadership about some of the exhibits we've discussed today? Speaker 2: secretary bunche and the members of leadership and I talk about many things, including our exhibitions.
▶ 1:52:29Speaker 18: has there been any frustration exhibited about some of the exhibits that have happened under your control? Speaker 2: we talk about many things, and we've talked about the challenges of being in a certain in these times. Absolutely. Speaker 18: so one of the things I find interesting, and I'm going to take that as an evasive answer. Um, and I would submit for the record, if you want to say secretary bunche has criticized you, it's helpful for us to hear that. But if not, um, we'll let that go.
▶ 1:52:57Um, I'm curious if you could explain for us the 603 review process. And I think this committee is very interested in exploring that and seeing what feedback has come about some of these exhibits. Speaker 2: certainly, sir. Thank you for the question. Um, I think it started in 1995, smithsonian direct directive sd 603 requires all of our work to go through a very rigorous review risk assessment.
▶ 1:53:21Most recently, it was updated last summer, um, enhanced by the regents. Speaker 18: so when an exhibit goes on display, it's peer reviewed. There's a lot of input about the exhibit from people that are on staff within your purview. Speaker 2: absolutely. And then it's reviewed by a higher committee of undersecretaries. Speaker 18: would you be willing to submit some of those review processes and likewise, some of the content within it to this committee for review?
▶ 1:53:49Speaker 2: I'm happy to check with our general counsel and get back to you. Speaker 18: Mr. gonzalez. And the remaining time that we have. I'm just curious, um, what do we do going forward? How do we resolve this? How do we fix this? Because it's clearly a problem. It's dividing our country. What's what's the path forward? Speaker 4: um, I'm saddened to say that you do need to clean out house at the smithsonian. You have to replace the leadership. I don't think the 603 review process is going to fix anything. I don't think trying to reform with the present leadership is going to do anything. They're committed to the things they want to do.
▶ 1:54:20We only have to listen to what they say and look at the evidence of what they have produced. I think the we need you need to work with the board of regents to effect this change. Speaker 18: thank you, Mr. chairman. I yield back. Speaker 1: thank you. Miss crockett from texas. You're recognized, ma'am. Speaker 20: thank you, Mr. chair. Um, welcome to the republicans white pride rally disguised as a congressional hearing. It might be uncomfortable for some people on this committee to hear about the true history of america. And I hate that for for them.
▶ 1:54:51But facts are facts, and it's a fact that there is a violent, exclusionary, discriminatory, sexist and racist part of american history where our indigenous populations were forcibly displaced from their land, where thousands of black people were unjustly lynched, where black people were denied the right to vote, and they still trying to do it today, where women needed their husbands permission to open a bank account where people with disabilities were routinely excluded from schools, workplaces and public life, where for little black girls
▶ 1:55:22Were murdered by the kkk at the 16th street baptist church. And a lot of this wasn't that long ago. In fact, three of those little girls will be 77 and one would be 74. More than 40 members of congress serving right now will be older than them. Ruby bridges, who was the first black child to desegregate an all white school, is only 71 years old.
▶ 1:55:42More than 100 members of congress serving right now are older than her, so attacks on the smithsonian or any other institution that's willing to tell the true history of america is not only an attempt to rewrite history, it's an attempt to erase history. So, doctor blight, if republicans are going to ban books, penalized schools and universities attack museums.
▶ 1:56:05If states continue to change curriculum, where do americans go to learn about the complicated, sometimes racist and violent parts of american history? Speaker 6: thank you for the question. I think they will have to keep going to the same institutions, and we have to keep fighting to preserve what we are doing in those institutions. They have to keep going to public schools. They have to keep going to their public libraries. They have to keep going to the the great smithsonian.
▶ 1:56:33Uh, look, the purpose of history is to enlighten us, inspire us, trouble us, bother us sometimes, make us angry. I find it hard to believe that a young person could go through the museum of american history and not come out at least inspired with the single most important thing a sense of the past, a sense of history. Americans have to keep going to those places they trust.
▶ 1:57:02We have to keep those institutions trustworthy. Speaker 20: thank you so much. In fact, that takes me to doctor heartache. Um, they accuse you and the smithsonian of sowing division in this country. However, before the white house deleted it, the departments of justice and homeland security found the biggest domestic threat to the united states is violent white supremacists. So I have a couple of questions for you.
▶ 1:57:31First, to the best of your knowledge, has the museum ever been linked to any violent act that has occurred in the united states or against the U.S. government? Speaker 2: thank you, ma'am, not to my the best of my knowledge. Speaker 20: I don't think many of these white supremacists can even read. But to the best of your knowledge, can you identify a single artifact in your museum that would divide the country? Speaker 2: to the best of my knowledge, ma'am, no. I hope that they unite the country through a shared understanding of our past.
▶ 1:58:01Speaker 20: do you think, or do you ask the political affiliation of any of your employees before you hire them? Speaker 2: absolutely not, ma'am, it's against the hatch act of 1939. Speaker 20: I'm glad that you know the law, but nevertheless, uh, do you ask if they've donated to political campaigns? Speaker 2: absolutely not, ma'am, it's against the hatch act of 1939. Speaker 20: we need a briefing in this building. But nevertheless, uh, do you only hire nonwhite people? Speaker 2: no, ma'am.
▶ 1:58:31Speaker 20: in fact, almost 60% of the smithsonian's total workforce is men, and more than 50% is white. 90% of smithsonian employees making senior level pay are white, and 60% of them are men. I don't understand this fetish that these white guys with fragile egos have with trying to feel oppressed.
▶ 1:58:53It reminds me of the same people mlk was referring to when he said, quote, they believe that american society is essentially hospitable to fair play and to steady growth towards a middle class utopia embodying racial harmony. But unfortunately, this is a fantasy of self-deception and comfortable vanity.
▶ 1:59:12I want to go back real quick, though, doctor blight, because you talked about the world cup, the world cup that that captured the imaginations of the entire world when they saw all of these people of color that was playing for all these teams. And ultimately, if you recall the last two teams, it was argentina and spain, and it seemed like the vast majority of the world was rooting for argentina or actually against argentina. Right.
▶ 1:59:41And why was that? Just give me an explanation. If you could guess, if you'll just let him finish the answer. Speaker 6: spain are the best team. Maybe that's why they were rooting for them. Speaker 20: there's also a racist history that is. Speaker 1: you're recognized. Thank you, thank you. Speaker 16: jasmine crockett Mr. chairman, thank you for letting me wave onto the committee. And, Mr. chairman, thank you for that.
▶ 2:00:03Uh, sort of exaggerated opening video of doctor hartog, which I thought simply and respectfully recognized that our european ancestors and the african slaves they brought over came to settle and claim lands that have been home to earlier immigrants, those we call native americans. That came between 15 and 30,000 years ago. You had jared diamond in guns, germs and steel points out that our virus and bacteria killed the majority of them.
▶ 2:00:31And then we proceeded to take their land and killed hundreds of thousands. We moved them out of the regions in which they lived to reservations in south dakota, arizona and other places. And we have the trail of tears, wounded knee, the sandy creek massacre, the california genocide, and the forced boarding schools. Doctor harding, why did you think it was important to offer a small amount of homage, homage to those who had lived here before we came?
▶ 2:01:01Speaker 2: thank you sir. It's a practice that I believe in, to acknowledge the layered complexity of our land and where we're standing, and all those who have come before us and and in honor to recognize the first peoples of the united states. Speaker 16: thank you. Mr. gonzalez talked about, quote, the erasure of american culture.
▶ 2:01:24I feel, especially listening to all the wonderful people today, nothing could be further from the truth, because it's all an effort to tell all american stories, doctor spaulding said. Tell the american national story. I mean, yes, I love america, director hartig loves america, doctor blight, lonnie bunch, but we don't pretend that we were perfect. It says, you know, that we foreign towards a more perfect union.
▶ 2:01:49Um, doctor blight, you talked about the most memorable phrase today was sanctioned ignorance. What would doctor hartog's museum look like if we suppressed everything that makes us uncomfortable? Speaker 6: well, it would be a nice, pleasing, uh, stroll through a museum and not much to talk about afterwards. At lunch. Uh. It is, it is.
▶ 2:02:13Frederick douglass once said america is its contradictions, all made up of its contradictions. And as a former slave, he understood that, um, the purpose of exhibiting history, representing history, is not just to show the good and the bad. That's of course, true. And everyone here has said it, but it's to stimulate our curiosity to ask a question that we haven't asked before, to confront us with evidence we haven't seen before, a story we never knew.
▶ 2:02:42That's what a museum should do. That's what people will then talk about as they leave. If all they learn is a patriotic story, then frankly, professionally, curators and historians have not done their jobs. We do not serve the state. We serve the practice of the creation and dissemination of knowledge. Speaker 16: thank you very much, doctor hearty. You've taken a lot of heat today for saying that.
▶ 2:03:11Uh, your love for america is complicated. Um, I'd argue that all love is complicated because we're not perfect, and the people we love aren't perfect. But can you see your complicated love also being unconditional? And what did you mean by complicated love? Speaker 2: sure. Thank you sir. The the placard that was held up in a march during the summer of 2020, which I think we can all remember. Uh, said loving, loving america is loving. America is complicated.
▶ 2:03:41I may be misremembering it slightly. And I used that slide in a number of my presentations because I believe you can do both. I believe that loving america can be complicated. As an historian, I also believe that as an individual, my love for america is unconditional. Speaker 15: great. Speaker 16: thank you very much, Mr. chairman. I yield back. Speaker 1: thank you sir. Um, and I would like to enter saving america's story.
▶ 2:04:09For the record. No objections. Um, miss stansbury, you're recognized. Speaker 3: all right, well, it has been an interesting hearing, as these hearings always are. And so I have a lot of ground to cover. I want to just start out by, Mr. chairman, inviting you to invite the entire committee to go down to the smithsonian museum. The american smithsonian is a mere two miles from here. And I'd also like to invite some of my colleagues.
▶ 2:04:38If you want to come over, we can watch drag race. We can have some cocktails. I think you will have a different opinion once you watch it. Okay, but let's talk a little bit about the museum. I heard the testimony from the majority's witnesses today, and I have to say, I think probably most americans, with all due respect, sir, would have no idea what museums you're talking about because that is not the museums as they are presented.
▶ 2:05:02And I think that, as many of my colleagues have stated today, if any of our colleagues had actually stepped foot in these museums in the last few weeks or months, they would actually know what's inside these museums. In fact, I go on a regular basis. I went twice over the last week and I am curious, though none of my colleagues have stuck around actually hear the rest of this hearing. How many people in this room have actually been to a smithsonian museum in the last month or two? Audience. Okay. All right.
▶ 2:05:31We got some people in here. Unfortunately, my republican colleagues who felt this hearing was so important to schedule, didn't even bother to wait till the end to answer the question. Maybe because they couldn't. Now, let me take you on a very quick, brief virtual tour of the museum. Since we can't physically go over there. This is the star spangled banner. This is the american flag that is famous. It is one of the most prominently displayed exhibits at the american history museum.
▶ 2:06:00This is abraham lincoln's hat. This is the desk that the declaration of independence was written on. If you have been to the smithsonian castle for the 250th birthday, which I was just a couple of weekends ago, it is right as you walk in. So to our colleague that didn't know it was there, go over to the castle. This is of course, r2d2, star wars. We've got some star wars fans. Ruby slippers.
▶ 2:06:27This is the first wright flier, the wright brothers. And of course, this is the command module of apollo 11, which was instrumental in the first landing on the moon. That is american history. And this is what's featured in the american history and other museums of the smithsonian.
▶ 2:06:50And so notwithstanding this crazy report that just got added into the record, and notwithstanding the insane testimony we heard today, I really do encourage every single person in america and across the world to come visit one of our great, uh, greatest institutions in this country. Now, there was a lot of conversation today about what do race, gender identity culture have to do with the american story?
▶ 2:07:18That is the american story. We are the greatest nation on planet earth. We are divorced. We are huge. We are filled with every language, every culture, every people on planet earth who come here to aspire to the freedoms that are protected in that declaration and that constitution that is featured prominently speaker 13: in the smithsonian museum.
▶ 2:07:42But our museums are also keepers of our story and all its complexity and all its pain, and they are there to also reflect who we are as people. So if there's merchandise, this celebrates being latina. Count me in, I want some, I'm going to go down and get some. If there's merchandise celebrating the lgbtq plus community, is that appropriate? Yes, it is appropriate because this is our country and we all belong here.
▶ 2:08:13And our colleagues don't get to decide who belongs and does not belong in this country, and whose history and whose culture and whose identities belong in our institutions. You get to decide that the american people, and if my colleagues are so concerned about protecting children from sexualization, how about you arrest some of the criminals in the epstein case? Maybe the president himself?
▶ 2:08:40If you're so concerned about the well-being of children in this country, how about you vote no against the bills that are trying to gut our education system, the bills that are trying to gut food assistance, the bills that are gutting health care instead of voting in favor of them.
▶ 2:08:55If you actually care about the children and people of this country, then let your votes and your actions speak for you and vote no against the $95 billion package you're trying to move this week to send more of our children into war, in an illegal war. Now, we don't have time to close out this hearing with a proper closing.
▶ 2:09:15But I just want to say to my colleagues who came to share their stories, their hopes, their dreams, and the importance of these institutions. And to all of the american people out there, we will fight for the independence of the smithsonian, and we will not go back, period. Speaker 1: thank you. Co-chair. Um, recognize miss boebert from colorado. Speaker 21: thank you, Mr.
▶ 2:09:45Chairman. Uh, director. Director hartig, um, you've said that history is a prime tool of social justice. And that museum, um, that the museum works to reframe the traditional celebratory narrative of U.S. history.
▶ 2:10:03Isn't that just a polished way of saying that you intend to use a taxpayer funded national museum to push a racial narrative that divides americans by their skin color and by guilt.
▶ 2:10:21Speaker 11: good morning, ma'am, and thank you for the the questions I have said in a number of of my talks that I grow, I think, increasingly confident that history can be a tool. Speaker 21: so you're using taxpayer funded dollars to divide our country by racism and guilt? Speaker 11: no, ma'am. I'm using the power of. Speaker 21: madam director.
▶ 2:10:43You you changed the the museum's mission away from preserving and presenting american history toward empowering people to create a more just and compassionate future. Who gave you the authority to turn the national museum of american history into a vehicle for progressive political activism? Speaker 11: so the smithsonian is a nonpartisan institution. We're very proud of. Speaker 21: who decides what is just. Ma'am.
▶ 2:11:12Speaker 11: I hope we can all agree that we want a just and compassionate future. We do so by preserving and sharing the stories of the past. Speaker 21: and are you rewriting that history or. No, ma'am. No. So you are the one who is over all of this. You are the director, and it seems that you have the the authority to decide what is, what is just and what is compassionate.
▶ 2:11:35Um, what about the tens of millions of aborted babies, um, the babies that have been killed in america? Uh, where's the justice and the, the compassion for them? Speaker 11: ma'am? I believe in a just and compassionate future. Speaker 21: is, is it just is it just in compassionate, compassionate to abort tens of millions of babies? Speaker 11: I'm not here at this hearing to discuss that. Speaker 21: where's their history? Speaker 11: I am not here at this hearing to discuss that.
▶ 2:12:05Speaker 21: is that not a part of our american history? Did that not happen, or is it only what you care about? Is it only the issues that you care about and you being cushioned by white privilege and being propped up by your whiteness as you claim? I'm paraphrasing it. Is that what you care about? Just racism and making people feel guilty? Speaker 11: no, ma'am. I care about the full richness of the american past.
▶ 2:12:32Since 1776, there's an estimated 3 billion people who have been here. So it is the honor of the. Speaker 21: over 50 million babies that have been aborted. Speaker 11: it's the honor. Speaker 21: of american. Speaker 11: to do my best to tell the american. Speaker 21: director you've said that loving america is very complicated. Is it complicated to love your country? Speaker 11: I love my country unconditionally, ma'am.
▶ 2:12:55Speaker 21: and okay, so the 250th anniversary of the declaration, um, you said that, uh, that should be problematized. Speaker 11: yes. When history I did. And when historians use that, it means to add new stories. Speaker 21: what about. Speaker 11: when you use it different ways? Pardon me, ma'am. Speaker 21: what about when you use it, director? Speaker 11: when I use it, I mean to add new stories and think of new objects. To tell the american story in all its richness. In 17. Speaker 21: but you're not going to include the babies that were killed.
▶ 2:13:23We can't think of those stories, those new stories, to to share with american people. Speaker 11: ma'am, we are going to use the 2 million objects in our collection to tell the american story as fully as we can. Speaker 21: there's over 50 million more you can add to that.
▶ 2:13:36When I, I believe when the director of americans america's history museum, finds it complicated to love her country and wants to problematize its founding, um, I believe that that's the definition of undoing the our shared national story. Would you agree? Speaker 11: no, ma'am. Speaker 21: mm.
▶ 2:13:58Your museum has minimized or contextualized the founders primarily through slavery and exclusion, while elevating narratives of conquest, systematic injustice, and resistance. Is there any version of the american founding you consider worthy of uncomplicated celebration? Or is the entire project irredeemably tainted by your view?
▶ 2:14:26Speaker 11: um, so the founding excuse me. The founding era of the nation occupies 2500 zero square feet in our museum. So I'm incredibly proud that we tell the stories of the founding. Speaker 21: is there any is there any part of it that is uncomplicated or. Speaker 11: oh, some of it's incredibly. Speaker 21: celebrate without complication. Speaker 11: absolutely, ma'am. Speaker 1: okay. Time's up. Speaker 21: chair. Thank you, Mr. chairman. Speaker 9: for unanimous consent.
▶ 2:14:53Unanimous consent to enter into the record an opinion piece authored by witness professor blythe and published in the new york times titled trump is bending history to his will. He will fail. Speaker 1: so ordered this time. I've been advised not to do this, but I'm going to do it because he's my friend. Um, without objection, Mr. jackson from illinois is waived on the subcommittee for the purposes of questioning the witnesses. Today's hearing.
▶ 2:15:24Speaker 4: thank you, the honorable chairman. Mr. tim burchett, my friend. Thank you, miss stansbury and all the panelists that have come today. I have enormous concern about what is happening at the, um, museum structure, particularly under the trump administration. History is not something that we seek to change or bend. Uh, history was taking place before we arrived. History is something that we should learn from. And to the degree that, uh, Mr.
▶ 2:15:50Trump, specifically on the 4th of july of 2026, uh, took further attacks at the national museum of african american history, I thought it was very concerning. And he says that it is divisive, that we should show the happier side of american and slavery, that we should show things that we have to unify us. I think what unifies us is the truth. Uh, Mr.
▶ 2:16:14Blight, I would ask you, doctor blight, from your historical perspective, what does it say about a society that cannot reconcile its history, its truth? And where are we now? Speaker 16: well, for one thing, it says it's a mature society. Uh, history is never easily reconciled. One example, uh, members here today have said that america is unique, exceptional, and great because we ended slavery.
▶ 2:16:41Actually, it is far closer to a historical truth that america is unique and exceptional, uh, in that it took a massive all out civil war to end slavery. We are the only country or empire in the world that killed 700,000, 700,000 of its own people in order to no longer have slavery.
▶ 2:17:11We have all become abolitionists. Now. We all like to celebrate america ended slavery. But if we don't know the process by which we got to that point, we know next to nothing. Speaker 4: well, let me ask you, um, there is now this attempt, if you will. They're saying that our history is divisive. There were great people.
▶ 2:17:31Uh, senator charles sumner was a personal hero, uh, thaddeus stevens, he was some of the people that were called the great, um, reconstructionists, if you will, that brought about america. When you cancel out african americans in american history, you, in fact, don't tell the whole story. The purpose under doctor carter g. Woodson. We start off with african american history week.
▶ 2:17:55And then and then, um, uh, gerald ford creating african history month and even to the dedication of the museum that was allocated the land by george w bush. How do we tell the whole story so we can show the progress that we've made and the resilience in america? Speaker 16: well, congressman, it's not simple. Uh, last fall with two colleagues at yale, beverly gage and joanne freeman, I taught a course called america at 250, uh, history.
▶ 2:18:26Now, no one teaches this way anymore. No one tries to do the whole story in one course. Uh, we had so many people attending the course, we had to hold it in the chapel of the university. And it was done under a rubric where yale allows the community to come. We had 400 local citizens attending every day. We had 400 undergraduates attending every day. We taught the whole national story. The big picture in one course.
▶ 2:18:53It was a little crazy, but we pulled it off and we found there was a deep yearning to know the whole story. But through all of the new histories, as best we could, that we've come to know and understand, um, it's, it's, it goes without saying that if you erase your past, you'll pay for it. Well. Speaker 4: I'd like to say very much. Thank you.
▶ 2:19:23And I'd like to share this. For the record, I was at the dedication of the museum ten years ago and george w bush, I have to say thank you to him. He dedicated this land. He wanted it prominent. And he also said in his remarks, and I would recommend other people read his remarks. There were about five minutes. And this is just one brief section. He says this museum is an important addition to our country for many reasons. Here are three. First, it shows our commitment to truth. A nation, a great nation, does not hide its history. It faces its flaws and corrects them.
▶ 2:19:53This museum tells the truth that a country founded on the promise of liberty held millions in chains. That the price of our union was america's original sin. Um, I went and I thanked Mr. bush for a having made this a very prominent part of the mall and for having brought truth to the american narrative. Doctor blade, I'll leave you with any last words. Speaker 16: well, I'd only add to that that no less than lonnie bunch himself. Thanks.
▶ 2:20:19Uh, president george w bush, every chance he gets for the support for that museum. Speaker 4: thank you. Doctor. Um, my dear friend, doctor tim burchett, thank you so much for your generosity in letting me share a few minutes. Don't gavel me out. I would appreciate it so much. Thank you. Doctor. Mr. timothy burch. Speaker 1: you're welcome, chairman jackson, in closing, I want to thank our witnesses once again for their testimony.
▶ 2:20:44Uh, with that and without objection, all members have five legislative days within which to submit materials and additional written questions for the witnesses, which will be forwarded to the witnesses if there is no further business. Without objection, the subcommittee stands adjourned.