Hearings to examine the nomination of Kelly Loeffler, of Georgia, to be Administrator of the Small Business Administration

Small Business Administration OversightSenate Small Business and Entrepreneurship · January 29, 2025 · 119th Congress
The Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship Committee held this confirmation hearing (January 29, 2025) to consider President Trump's nomination of former Senator Kelly Loeffler to be Administrator of the Small Business Administration. Begins at ▶ 0:18:24
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Confirmation hearing for Kelly Loeffler as SBA Administrator

Purpose

The Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship Committee held this confirmation hearing (January 29, 2025) to consider President Trump's nomination of former Senator Kelly Loeffler to be Administrator of the Small Business Administration. Chair Joni Ernst and new Ranking Member Ed Markey delivered opening statements on SBA priorities such as fraud oversight, disaster loan management, and headquarters space, before Sens. Katie Britt and Rick Scott introduced the nominee and Loeffler was sworn in and gave testimony, followed by two rounds of member questions. Begins at▶ 0:18:24

Who spoke

• Chair Joni Ernst (R-IA)▶ 0:18:24: Opened by welcoming Loeffler and new committee members▶ 0:18:49, criticized the Biden-era SBA for $18.6 billion in idle loans and no financial audit since fiscal year 2020▶ 0:22:56, cited a 66-day disaster loan funding shortfall affecting five states▶ 0:23:30, and noted the SBA's 200,000-square-foot headquarters sits largely empty at 67% utilization even at full occupancy▶ 0:24:16; later questioned Loeffler on transparency commitments▶ 0:50:45 and fraud oversight▶ 0:54:55.

• Ranking Member Ed Markey (D-MA)▶ 0:26:25: Highlighted Massachusetts's 722,000 small businesses▶ 0:27:46, criticized the OMB funding freeze memo and the firing of the SBA Inspector General without required 30 days' notice▶ 0:29:11; pressed Loeffler on the freeze's legality▶ 0:56:22 and later argued in a second round that Section 8(a) is codified law that cannot be overturned by executive order▶ 1:57:10.

• Sen. Katie Britt (R-AL)▶ 0:32:54: Introduced Loeffler, noting 99.4% of Alabama businesses are small and praising Loeffler's record building Intercontinental Exchange and Bakkt▶ 0:33:13.

• Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL)▶ 0:36:23: Introduced Loeffler, recounting her family farm background and Senate work on pandemic relief for Georgia small businesses▶ 0:38:33.

• Kelly Loeffler, SBA Administrator nominee▶ 0:41:38: Pledged to "make small business great again," citing 34 million U.S. small businesses▶ 0:42:08; committed to a zero-tolerance fraud policy and shifting SBA focus to Main Street▶ 0:46:15; later committed to shoring up SBA's finances given four straight years without a passed audit▶ 0:52:54, defended the OMB funding freeze as targeting waste rather than legitimate small-business funds▶ 0:56:33, and pledged to uphold statutory programs including 8(a) while supporting Trump's DEI executive order▶ 1:58:08▶ 2:01:51.

• Sen. Mike Lee / Sen. John Curtis (R-UT), presiding▶ 1:01:13: Discussed regulatory burden and tariffs' disproportionate impact on small businesses▶ 1:03:27▶ 1:05:03.

• Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-HI)▶ 1:06:33: Asked standard nominee-conduct questions▶ 1:06:59; pressed Loeffler on her 2020 opposition to Planned Parenthood receiving PPP loans, which the SBA Inspector General later found improper▶ 1:07:27; questioned her support for January 6 pardons, including for those involved in the death of Officer Brian Sicknick▶ 1:09:11, and on eliminating FEMA's disaster role▶ 1:10:29.

• Sen. Ted Budd (R-NC)▶ 1:12:12: Asked about timely congressional reporting after SBA's October 15 disaster-fund depletion▶ 1:12:41; cited a 2024 QuickBooks survey showing a 51,000-job decline and $12,000 average revenue drop for small businesses▶ 1:16:29.

• Sen. Adam Schiff (D-CA)▶ 1:17:52: Raised California wildfire recovery and confusion over the federal funding freeze's effect on SBA loans▶ 1:19:18; sought Loeffler's commitment to disaster aid without regard to a state's political leanings▶ 1:21:00.

• Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) [1:23:27, listed as Sen. Schiff/Hawley in transcript]: Asked about ending SBA DEI/8(a) racial-preference programs▶ 1:23:44; cited FY2024 data showing only 12% of SBA loans and 11% of $56 billion in capital went to rural businesses▶ 1:25:36; pressed on funding for the CARES Act Special Inspector General▶ 1:28:05.

• Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)▶ 1:29:10: Cited that small businesses create 16 times more patents than large firms▶ 1:29:41; asked about reassuring businesses amid the funding freeze▶ 1:30:10 and about maintaining SBA district office staffing▶ 1:32:41 and the STEP export program▶ 1:34:16.

• Sen. Todd Young (R-IN)▶ 1:35:15: Discussed SBA's role in his father's business▶ 1:35:45; asked about modernization plans▶ 1:37:55 and raised his Small Business Technological Advancement Act on AI tool financing under the 7(a) program▶ 1:39:35.

• Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE)▶ 1:40:39: Highlighted the SCORE mentoring program, founded in Wilmington, Delaware, citing a $59-to-$1 tax revenue return▶ 1:41:37; asked about SBIR reauthorization to ensure grants produce commercial technology▶ 1:42:49 and about broadening small-business federal contracting▶ 1:44:31.

• Sen. Jon Husted (R-OH)▶ 1:45:58: Asked how Loeffler would balance fraud accountability with speed of disaster assistance▶ 1:47:01 and about improving SBA customer service responsiveness▶ 1:49:32.

• Sen. Jacky Rosen (D-NV)▶ 1:51:09: Discussed a bipartisan Small Business Childcare Investment Act with Chair Ernst allowing nonprofits to offer childcare▶ 1:52:34; asked about veterans' business outreach centers, noting Nevada has over 23,000 veteran-owned small businesses▶ 1:55:13.

• Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA)▶ 2:04:06: Asked about the Minority Business Development Agency and Department of Agriculture small-mill set-asides▶ 2:05:21; described the delayed Malden, Washington fire disaster response and pressed on keeping disaster relief nonpolitical▶ 2:07:44, and on rural communities' cost-benefit ratios for federal disaster funding▶ 2:09:46.

Key moments

• Ernst stated the SBA received $1.1 trillion in COVID-era taxpayer funding but has not passed a GAO financial audit since fiscal year 2020, and cited $18.6 billion in idle loans in FY2024▶ 0:22:06▶ 0:22:56.

• Ernst said the SBA Inspector General, who collected $9 billion in COVID-related fraud recoveries over 34 years of service, was fired by President Trump on a Friday night without the legally required 30 days' notice▶ 0:29:37▶ 0:30:03.

• Markey and Loeffler sparred over the legality of the OMB funding freeze memo; Markey said the President "already acted illegally twice in the last five days," while Loeffler called the actions lawful and said "not all programs were frozen at all"▶ 0:57:03▶ 0:58:44▶ 0:59:14.

• Hirono asked Loeffler to affirm she could be fair and impartial after the SBA Inspector General found her 2020 opposition to Planned Parenthood receiving PPP loans was not properly justified; Loeffler disputed the IG's finding, saying Planned Parenthood "did not fit the parameters"▶ 1:07:27▶ 1:08:13.

• Hirono asked whether Loeffler agreed with Trump's pardons of January 6 defendants, including those responsible for the assault preceding Officer Brian Sicknick's death; Loeffler said she "strongly" supported the pardons as remedying denied due process, which Hirono disputed since defendants were tried and convicted▶ 1:09:11▶ 1:09:33▶ 1:09:50.

• Hawley cited data that in FY2024 the SBA made only 12,000 of 103,000 loans (about 12%) and $6 billion of $56 billion in capital (about 11%) to rural businesses▶ 1:25:36.

• In a pointed second-round exchange, Markey corrected the record that the Section 8(a) disadvantaged-business program was not ruled unconstitutional (only its application process changed) and pressed whether an executive order can overturn a law Congress codified; Loeffler repeatedly said she would "uphold the law" without directly answering▶ 1:57:33▶ 1:58:08▶ 1:59:20.

• Coons noted SCORE, a volunteer small-business mentoring program founded in Wilmington, Delaware, delivers roughly $59 in tax revenue for every $1 spent and serves over 300,000 entrepreneurs annually▶ 1:41:37▶ 1:42:49.

• Cantwell described a Trump-era dispute that delayed disaster assistance for the Malden, Washington fire for months due to a disagreement between the president and the governor▶ 2:07:44.

• Ernst and Cantwell agreed that federal disaster cost-benefit ratios disadvantage lower-cost rural and Midwest properties compared with coastal properties, using Iowa flooding versus coastal disasters as an example▶ 2:11:56▶ 2:12:20.

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CommitteeSenate Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Chamber / CongressSenate · 119th Congress
DateJanuary 29, 2025
TypeMeeting
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Transcript321 caption blocks · 15,528 words · 2:14:58 runtime
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