AINorthern and Southern Command posture on border, missile defense, China

Defense Posture and Global ThreatsSenate Armed Services · February 13, 2025 · 119th Congress
The Senate Armed Services Committee held this posture hearing to review the fiscal year 2026 defense authorization request for U.S. Begins at ▶ 0:15:25
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Title

Northern and Southern Command posture on border, missile defense, China

Purpose

The Senate Armed Services Committee held this posture hearing to review the fiscal year 2026 defense authorization request for U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM/NORAD) and U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM). Gen. Gregory Guillot and Adm. Alvin Holsey testified on homeland missile defense, military support for southern border security and migrant operations at Guantanamo Bay, counter-drone authorities, and Chinese and Russian activity in the Western Hemisphere and Arctic. A closed session was scheduled to follow in SVC-217. Begins at▶ 0:15:25

Who spoke

• Chair Roger Wicker (R-MS)▶ 0:15:25: Opened by citing the "most dangerous security environment since World War II"▶ 0:15:25, China's exploitation of the southern border for fentanyl trafficking▶ 0:15:53, PRC infrastructure in Panama, Argentina, Cuba and Peru▶ 0:19:16, and later pressed on the sensor layer timeline for missile defense▶ 0:38:50 and fentanyl deaths (225,000+ from 2021–2023)▶ 0:39:42.

• Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI), Ranking Member▶ 0:21:16: Criticized use of Guantanamo Bay for migrant operations as a "dubious location" that risks equating immigrants with war criminals▶ 0:22:19▶ 0:22:44, asked about training lost by border-deployed troops (roughly 1 of 5 days, or 20%)▶ 0:43:00▶ 0:43:57, and pressed on Iron Dome as primarily a detection system▶ 0:46:17.

• Gen. Gregory Guillot, NORAD/NORTHCOM Commander▶ 0:28:47: Outlined threats from China-Russia-North Korea-Iran cooperation and rising Russian bomber incursions▶ 0:29:18▶ 0:29:35; said the sensor layer could achieve significant networked capability "inside a year"▶ 0:38:54; testified fentanyl trafficking has "not" gotten better despite prior troop surges▶ 0:41:34; confirmed 350 drone detections at U.S. installations last year, with only about half covered by active-defense authority▶ 0:59:34▶ 0:59:47; and delivered an extended statement criticizing DOD's withdrawal from the Black Engineer of the Year Awards recruiting event and Secretary Hegseth's "identity months are dead" directive▶ 1:16:46.

• Adm. Alvin Holsey, SOUTHCOM Commander▶ 0:32:56: Described SOUTHCOM's mission amid Chinese and Russian influence, transnational criminal organizations, and migration▶ 0:33:52; said the command currently interdicts only about 10–20% of known maritime drug shipments due to a lack of assets▶ 1:30:06; testified Guantanamo migrant operations cost roughly $100 million per year for 118 detainees and remain in an early planning phase without a cost estimate for expansion to 30,000▶ 2:12:16▶ 2:10:39.

• Sen. Ron Johnson — not present in transcript; omitted.

• Sen. Deb Fischer (R-NE)▶ 0:48:05: Emphasized that "Iron Dome for America" is not equivalent to Israel's system and requires expanded, spectrum-dependent domain awareness▶ 0:48:36▶ 0:49:02; asked Adm. Holsey about China's long-term strategic objectives, including at least 10 space-enabled sites in the region▶ 0:52:01.

• Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)▶ 0:52:58: Noted a deportation flight of 104 migrants to India cost $2.5 million, roughly three times normal charter cost▶ 0:53:22; cited a 15% decrease in drug overdose deaths but still nearly 90,000 annual deaths▶ 0:55:05; asked about Canadian cooperation on northern border security▶ 0:57:06.

• Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR)▶ 0:58:34: Discussed drone incursions over Joint Base Langley, Vandenberg, and Andersen AFB▶ 0:58:52; pushed legislation to expand Section 130i authority to all installations, which Gen. Guillot supported▶ 1:00:31▶ 1:01:00; questioned Adm. Holsey on Guantanamo security readiness▶ 1:02:34.

• Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-HI)▶ 1:03:32: Sought commitment to include Hawaii in the missile-threat assessment▶ 1:03:54▶ 1:04:12; challenged claims that border missions provide no training value to Guardsmen, noting 5,000 troops currently deployed▶ 1:06:00; questioned SOUTHCOM's ability to sustain security cooperation after USAID's dismantlement▶ 1:07:12.

• Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-AK)▶ 1:10:05: Displayed a chart of air/sea incursions and pressed for Arctic infrastructure, including reopening a naval base/airfield near Barrow, Alaska▶ 1:12:13▶ 1:12:47; touted the bipartisan Iron Dome Act with 30 cosponsors▶ 1:14:35.

• Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL)▶ 1:21:05: Asked whether SOUTHCOM would need a carrier strike group in the "Gulf of America" (not at this time)▶ 1:23:00▶ 1:23:06; discussed the importance of Homestead Air Force Base as a forward-deploy point▶ 1:24:34.

• Sen. Angus King (I-ME)▶ 1:31:22: Criticized the low (10–20%) drug interdiction rate as a "dereliction of duty" spanning multiple administrations▶ 1:30:25; highlighted the U.S. is "woefully" short on icebreakers, with Russia holding 20–40 versus the U.S.'s roughly one usable vessel▶ 1:44:31▶ 1:45:13.

• Sen. Ted Budd (R-NC)▶ 1:31:22: Thanked Gen. Guillot for hurricane relief support in western North Carolina▶ 1:31:22; asked how bases qualify as "covered facilities" under Section 130i (nine criteria; about half of 360 installations qualify)▶ 1:35:09.

• Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)▶ 1:37:10: Cited a GAO finding that DOD's prior border deployment cost estimates were "not reliable" and missed over half of actual costs▶ 1:38:15; noted the new deployment is estimated at nearly $1 billion over eight months▶ 1:38:44; got Adm. Holsey's commitment to provide a Guantanamo cost estimate to Congress▶ 1:41:08.

• Sen. Angus King (I-ME)▶ 1:42:26 (follow-up): Detailed increased Russian air and maritime activity near Alaska equaling or exceeding pre-Ukraine-invasion levels▶ 1:42:47.

• Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI)▶ 1:46:03: Asked about interagency coordination, noting 100+ liaison officers embedded at NORTHCOM/NORAD headquarters▶ 1:47:39; asked both commanders about AI integration into decision-making▶ 1:49:01.

• Sen. Mark Kelly (D-AZ)▶ 1:51:18: Pressed on strategic airlift costs for deportation flights (~$28,000/hour for C-17s versus commercial charters)▶ 1:52:11; questioned SOUTHCOM's strategy to counter Chinese influence over the Panama Canal▶ 1:54:04.

• Sen. Jim Banks (R-IN)▶ 1:57:17: Asked how urgently hypersonic tracking capability is needed ("immediately," per Gen. Guillot)▶ 1:58:45▶ 1:58:52; asked whether defending the Panama Canal would be legal, which Adm. Holsey deferred as a policy matter for the State Department▶ 1:58:53▶ 1:59:04.

• Sen. Jacky Rosen (D-NV)▶ 1:59:32: Asked about DOD's division of responsibility with ICE for Guantanamo detainee care and transport funding▶ 2:00:01; raised concerns about language-skill shortages, particularly Spanish speakers, for SOUTHCOM's mission▶ 2:01:45.

• Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL)▶ 2:04:50: Asked about coalition threats over the next three to four years▶ 2:04:50; confirmed with Gen. Guillot that only one U.S. icebreaker is currently operational▶ 2:07:02; discussed SOUTHCOM's use of sail drones, with eight active in the Caribbean and three in the Eastern Pacific, expanding to 20▶ 2:08:58.

• Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL)▶ 2:09:16: Pressed for a cost breakdown of expanding Guantanamo migrant capacity to 30,000, noting a 2017 comparison of $33 million for 13,000 migrants▶ 2:10:13▶ 2:11:56; established that Guantanamo costs about $100 million per year for the current population and that expansion costs remain undetermined▶ 2:12:16▶ 2:12:27; questioned who is accountable for migrant safety on DOD deportation flights▶ 2:13:45.

Key moments

• Gen. Guillot testified fentanyl trafficking across the border has "not" improved despite a prior three-year deployment of 25,000 troops, though intelligence-gathering has improved▶ 0:41:22▶ 0:41:34.

• Sen. Cotton established that only about half of U.S. military installations are legally authorized to actively defend against the 350 drone incursions detected last year, and Gen. Guillot endorsed expanding that authority (Section 130i) to all bases▶ 0:59:34▶ 1:00:31.

• Adm. Holsey confirmed SOUTHCOM interdicts only 10–20% of known maritime drug shipments due to a lack of assets, prompting Sen. King to call the gap a bipartisan "dereliction of duty" spanning multiple administrations▶ 1:30:06▶ 1:30:55.

• Sen. Warren cited GAO findings that DOD's cost estimates for the first Trump administration's border deployment were "not reliable" and missed more than half of actual costs, while the current deployment is projected at nearly $1 billion over eight months with no Guantanamo cost estimate yet available▶ 1:38:15▶ 1:38:44▶ 1:40:34.

• Sen. Shaheen and Sen. Kelly both flagged that a military deportation flight of roughly 100 migrants to India cost taxpayers $2.5 million, about three to four times the cost of a chartered civilian flight▶ 0:53:22▶ 1:52:11.

• Adm. Holsey said Guantanamo Bay migrant/detention operations currently cost about $100 million per year for 118 detainees, with no cost estimate yet for the directed expansion to 30,000▶ 2:12:16▶ 2:10:39.

• Sen. King and Gen. Guillot agreed the U.S. is in a "woeful" position on icebreakers, with effectively one functioning vessel against Russia's 20–40▶ 1:44:36▶ 1:45:13.

• Gen. Guillot devoted several minutes of testimony to criticizing DOD's withdrawal from the Black Engineer of the Year Awards recruiting event, contrasting it with the President's Black History Month proclamation and calling Secretary Hegseth's "identity months are dead" directive harmful to recruiting▶ 1:17:04▶ 1:19:37.

• Sen. Duckworth pressed Adm. Holsey on funding accountability for Guantanamo expansion and DOD deportation flights; he could not say what military priorities might go unfunded as a result▶ 2:13:28▶ 2:14:18.

• Adm. Holsey said his role is to "defend the Panama Canal in time of crises," while declining, alongside Sen. Banks, to characterize the legality of doing so as a policy matter for the State Department▶ 1:54:55▶ 1:59:04.

Metadata

Official titleHearings to examine the posture of United States Northern Command and United States Southern Command in review of the Defense Authorization Request for Fiscal Year 2026 and the Future Years Defense Program; to be immediately followed by a closed session in SVC-217.
CommitteeSenate Armed Services
Chamber / CongressSenate · 119th Congress
DateFebruary 13, 2025
TypeMeeting
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