AINASA administrator and FCC nominees testify amid Artemis moon program debate

Commerce, Space, and Science NominationsSenate Commerce, Science, and Transportation · April 9, 2025 · 119th Congress
The Senate Commerce Committee first held a brief markup approving the nomination of Arielle Roth to lead NTIA, then convened a hearing on the nominations of Jared Isaacman to be NASA Administrator and Olivia Trusty to be an FCC Commissioner. Begins at ▶ 0:29:31
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Title

NASA administrator and FCC nominees testify amid Artemis moon program debate

Purpose

The Senate Commerce Committee first held a brief markup approving the nomination of Arielle Roth to lead NTIA, then convened a hearing on the nominations of Jared Isaacman to be NASA Administrator and Olivia Trusty to be an FCC Commissioner. Senators questioned Isaacman on maintaining Artemis and a sustained lunar presence while pursuing Mars, budget cuts and DOGE-related staffing reductions at NASA, and his ties to Elon Musk and SpaceX, while Trusty faced questions on spectrum auction authority, the Universal Service Fund, broadband mapping, and FCC independence from political pressure. Begins at▶ 0:29:31

Who spoke

• Chair Ted Cruz (R-TX)▶ 0:29:31: Gaveled in the markup, announced Roth had given birth hours earlier▶ 0:30:50, and argued BEAD needs revamping after connecting zero Americans in 41 months due to a "14 step process"▶ 0:31:54; opened the nominations hearing stressing China's space ambitions and a 2030 lunar goal▶ 0:44:20, later pressed Isaacman on statutory obligations under 51 USC 20302 to maintain a cislunar/lunar presence▶ 0:52:57▶ 2:53:59 and on keeping the ISS operating until at least 2030 per his own legislation▶ 2:57:27.

• Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Ranking Member▶ 0:33:30: Said Roth would not commit to honoring existing NTIA agreements with states/tribes on the $42 billion BEAD program▶ 0:37:26 or to evidence-based review of spectrum bands (lower 3, 7 GHz)▶ 0:36:53, and announced she could not support Roth's nomination▶ 0:38:27; later pressed Isaacman for firm commitments on NASA science funding, workforce cuts, and specific programs like thermoplastic composites▶ 1:19:15▶ 1:30:59, and Trusty on local-news carriage/MVPD issues▶ 3:02:29.

• Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS)▶ 0:38:38: Moved to report Roth's nomination favorably▶ 0:39:33; later introduced Trusty, citing her nearly eight years on his staff and work on spectrum and anti-China network-security legislation▶ 0:58:15; secured Isaacman's commitment to visit Stennis Space Center▶ 1:32:48 and asked Trusty about COVID-era broadband resilience and net neutrality▶ 1:35:18.

• Sen. Andy Kim (D-NJ)▶ 1:37:03: Repeatedly pressed Isaacman for clarity on whether he supports a permanent/sustained human presence on the Moon versus prioritizing Mars, saying he lacked "a good understanding" of Isaacman's position▶ 1:37:31▶ 1:39:04.

• Sen. Deb Fischer (R-NE)▶ 0:42:27: Asked Trusty about the Universal Service Fund's uncertain future amid Supreme Court review and a shrinking contribution base▶ 1:43:10, and about FCC-DOD coordination on spectrum given classified-briefing access gaps▶ 1:44:31.

• Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)▶ 1:48:21: Asked Trusty how to modernize USF▶ 1:48:44 and about improving FCC broadband map accuracy under the Broadband DATA Act▶ 1:49:15; asked Isaacman about promoting STEM education▶ 1:50:34.

• Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS)▶ 1:53:43: Raised FCC partisanship and asked Trusty to commit to bipartisan consensus-building▶ 1:54:41; pressed for restoration of spectrum auction authority▶ 1:55:02 and asked Isaacman whether the current SLS/Orion architecture is the fastest way to beat China to the Moon▶ 1:58:54.

• Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI)▶ 1:59:34: Asked whether budget cuts would undermine parallel Moon-Mars pursuit▶ 1:59:56; had Isaacman confirm no communications with Elon Musk about managing NASA since his nomination▶ 2:02:53; pressed Trusty on protecting the 5.9 GHz auto-safety spectrum band▶ 2:04:45.

• Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)▶ 2:05:43: Asked Isaacman about nuclear propulsion and great-power competition▶ 2:06:14; asked Trusty about the 60% of mid-band spectrum held by underused federal agencies and the case for a spectrum inventory▶ 2:08:19 and about reforming/replacing USF▶ 2:09:46.

• Sen. Ben Ray Luján (D-NM)▶ 2:11:36: Questioned Trusty on FCC commissioners lacking removal protections and how she would maintain independence if Trump could fire her▶ 2:11:58; pressed her on whether Chairman Carr's investigations into ABC over the Harris interview and DEI-related merger conditions were appropriate, and asked directly whether the FCC should be "weaponized" against media organizations — she said no▶ 2:13:59▶ 2:15:07.

• Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-AK)▶ 2:16:25: Sought Trusty's commitment to visit Alaska and support the Alaska Connect Fund▶ 2:16:44▶ 2:17:41; asked Isaacman about using Hollywood/media to inspire youth about Moon and Mars missions and secured a commitment to visit the Kodiak spaceport▶ 2:18:13▶ 2:21:38.

• Sen. Lisa Blunt Rochester (D-DE)▶ 2:22:38: Asked Trusty about 6G cybersecurity priorities and AI-driven supply-chain diversification▶ 2:24:13, and about requiring disclosure of AI-generated robocalls amid rising scam complaints in Delaware▶ 2:26:25.

• Sen. Todd Young (R-IN)▶ 2:27:59: Asked Isaacman how NASA would coordinate with DOD on space situational awareness and orbital debris tracking, noting millimeter-sized debris traveling 17,500 mph as the biggest threat▶ 2:29:05▶ 2:30:37; asked Trusty about FCC protection of undersea cable infrastructure after a Chinese tanker cut Baltic Sea cables▶ 2:31:49.

• Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL)▶ 2:34:24: Got Isaacman's yes/no commitments to maintaining continuous human presence in low-Earth orbit▶ 2:36:03 and opposing de-orbiting the ISS now▶ 2:37:24; repeatedly asked whether he would oppose an illegal order from Trump, receiving only "I will always follow the law" in response▶ 2:39:17▶ 2:39:35.

• Sen. Bernie Moreno (R-OH)▶ 2:39:47: Asked Trusty how AI could combat robocall scams targeting seniors▶ 2:40:19; asked Isaacman about the meaning of the Glenn Research Center's "for the benefit of all" motto and personal anecdotes about early business struggles▶ 2:41:37▶ 2:42:05.

• Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA)▶ 2:45:08: Got Trusty's agreement that the E-Rate program has been successful and requires predictable funding▶ 2:45:41▶ 2:46:28; pressed her to commit to opposing FCC enforcement actions that violate the First Amendment▶ 2:47:40; repeatedly asked whether Elon Musk was present when Trump offered Isaacman the NASA job at Mar-a-Lago, which Isaacman did not directly answer▶ 2:49:33▶ 2:50:07; pressed Isaacman on restoring NASA climate data he said had been altered or removed▶ 2:51:44.

• Mr. Jared Isaacman, NASA Administrator nominee▶ 1:07:33: Described his entrepreneurial and astronaut background, said NASA has spent $100 billion since 1989 without returning to the Moon▶ 1:10:35, and outlined three priorities: American astronauts on Mars while gaining capability to return to the Moon, a self-sustaining low-Earth-orbit economy, and NASA as a "force multiplier" for science▶ 1:11:36▶ 1:12:09; committed to following the law on ISS retention past 2030 and cislunar presence▶ 2:57:58▶ 2:56:20, and said he had not discussed NASA plans with Elon Musk▶ 2:50:49.

• Ms. Olivia Trusty, FCC Commissioner nominee▶ 1:13:42: Pledged to expand broadband access, protect consumers from robocalls, and strengthen telecom networks and security▶ 1:17:29; called restoring FCC spectrum auction authority and a mid-band pipeline critical to economic and national-security interests▶ 1:55:20; said she would not do anything to violate the First Amendment and that the FCC should not be weaponized against media organizations▶ 2:47:49▶ 2:15:16.

• Unidentified clerk▶ 0:39:43: Called the roll on the Roth nomination.

Key moments

• Cruz announced Roth had given birth at 12:10 a.m. the day of her committee vote, timing he called "impeccable"▶ 0:30:50▶ 0:39:09.

• The committee approved Roth's nomination 15–13 along party lines, with Sen. Fetterman later recorded as an additional "aye" by proxy▶ 0:40:46▶ 2:15:48.

• Cruz displayed an AI-generated poster contrasting a 2030 with Chinese vs. American astronauts on the Moon and pressed Isaacman for a commitment that China would not win the race; Isaacman said he could only see the left portion of the poster▶ 1:24:29▶ 1:25:00.

• Cruz cited General Salzman's testimony that China aims to be the world's "preeminent space power," targeting a crewed lunar landing by 2030 and a permanent base with Russia by 2035 [0:18:57, 0:19:22 in transcript timestamps 0:32:29/1:18:57 region — actually 1:18:33, 1:19:22].

• Sen. Kim repeatedly pressed Isaacman on whether he supports a permanent/sustained human lunar presence, saying his answers left him without "a good understanding" of the nominee's actual position▶ 1:37:31▶ 1:39:04.

• Sen. Duckworth asked three times whether Isaacman would oppose an illegal order from President Trump; he responded each time only that he "will always follow the law," without a direct yes▶ 2:39:17▶ 2:39:35▶ 2:39:41.

• Sen. Markey pressed Isaacman on whether Elon Musk was present when Trump offered him the NASA post at Mar-a-Lago; Isaacman repeatedly deflected by saying he "was interviewed by the President of the United States" without confirming or denying Musk's presence▶ 2:49:33▶ 2:50:07.

• Cantwell said NASA's FY2023 economic output topped $75 billion and cited a National Academies report that NASA's budget is often "incompatible with the scope, complexity, and difficulty" of its mission▶ 1:26:11.

• Cantwell noted DOGE-driven cuts included $420 million in canceled NASA grants and the elimination of the chief technologist and chief scientist positions▶ 0:53:22▶ 0:53:52.

• Cruz and Trusty discussed that DOD controls roughly 60% of mid-band spectrum, much underused, while only about 5% has been commercialized, and Cruz recounted a classified briefing in which DOD gave what he called an insufficient answer on the consequences of losing the 6G race to Huawei▶ 2:08:19▶ 3:01:33.

• Luján confirmed Chair Carr investigated ABC over a Harris interview and linked DEI-related editorial reviews to merger approvals; Trusty said the FCC should not open investigations for political purposes and should not be weaponized against media▶ 2:14:46▶ 2:15:16.

Metadata

Official titleBusiness meeting to consider the nomination of Arielle Roth, of the District of Columbia, to be Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Communications and Information.
CommitteeSenate Commerce, Science, and Transportation
Chamber / CongressSenate · 119th Congress
DateApril 9, 2025
TypeMeeting
Witnesses
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Transcript540 caption blocks · 21,565 words · 3:13:21 runtime
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