AINomination hearing for Energy Department undersecretary positions

Public Lands and Energy MarkupsSenate Energy and Natural Resources · April 10, 2025 · 119th Congress
The Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee held its fourth nomination hearing of the 119th Congress to consider Preston Wells Griffith III, nominated to be Under Secretary of Energy, and Dr. Begins at ▶ 0:15:21
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Nomination hearing for Energy Department undersecretary positions

Purpose

The Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee held its fourth nomination hearing of the 119th Congress to consider Preston Wells Griffith III, nominated to be Under Secretary of Energy, and Dr. Dario Gil, nominated to be Under Secretary for Science, both at the Department of Energy. Chair Lee noted that a third nominee, Kathleen Sgamma for Bureau of Land Management director, had withdrawn from consideration▶ 0:15:53. Members questioned the nominees on grid reliability, workforce cuts at the department, protection of national labs from Chinese espionage, and commitments to follow the law on congressionally obligated funding. Begins at▶ 0:15:21

Who spoke

• Chair Mike Lee (R-UT)▶ 0:15:21: Opened the hearing, noted Sgamma's withdrawal from BLM consideration▶ 0:15:53, and pressed Gil on protecting national labs from Chinese espionage and IP theft▶ 0:35:10▶ 0:36:39.

• Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-NM), Ranking Member▶ 0:18:39: Asked about the history and flexibility of the Under Secretary offices▶ 0:19:08; pressed Griffith on a 2019 House subpoena he did not comply with▶ 0:40:31 and asked both nominees to affirm that only Congress can rescind obligated funds▶ 0:41:32.

• Preston Wells Griffith III, nominee for Under Secretary of Energy▶ 0:22:34: Described his family gas-station background shaping his views on energy affordability▶ 0:24:05; said the subpoena was deemed invalid by DOJ for excluding White House counsel▶ 0:40:55; committed to following the law on rescissions▶ 0:41:58; flagged concern about staffing cuts at the Grid Deployment Office, CESER (cybersecurity), and Clean Energy Demonstrations office▶ 0:51:27; said he is not aware of any plan to sell off BPA assets and would not support one▶ 1:25:03.

• Dr. Dario Gil, nominee for Under Secretary for Science▶ 0:26:59: Highlighted his immigrant background and 25-year technology career, including building the first cloud-accessible quantum computer▶ 0:28:52; called for a "quantum-centric supercomputer" by decade's end▶ 0:29:24; said China "has been a very bad actor" on IP theft▶ 0:36:25; proposed a "National Defense Education Act 2.0" to boost STEM education▶ 1:16:52.

• Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-MS)▶ 0:43:24: Asked both nominees about the U.S. falling behind China in nuclear and hydrogen technology▶ 0:44:09 and about continued university/industry research partnerships▶ 0:48:19.

• Sen. Angus King (I-ME)▶ 0:49:35: Asked about storage technology as part of an "all of the above" strategy▶ 0:51:23; questioned Griffith on the Grid Deployment Office, GETS technology▶ 0:52:51, and CESER, citing a claim that the electric grid is attacked 3 million times per day▶ 0:53:18; raised Clean Energy Demonstrations program compliance▶ 0:53:57 and noted solar/onshore wind as currently the cheapest, fastest-to-deploy energy sources▶ 0:54:43.

• Sen. Jim Justice (R-WV)▶ 0:55:34: Praised the coal industry's history and his parents' emotional reaction to President Trump's support for coal▶ 1:00:00; asked Griffith about coal's future role▶ 1:00:15; brought his dog "Babydog" into the hearing room▶ 0:57:08.

• Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV)▶ 1:02:51: Asked Griffith how he'll implement bipartisan infrastructure energy programs amid DOGE-related funding concerns▶ 1:03:57 and whether he'll uphold already-obligated contracts▶ 1:04:59; asked Gil how the U.S. can further commercialize quantum computing▶ 1:05:27.

• Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)▶ 1:07:41: Expressed disappointment at Sgamma's withdrawal▶ 1:07:46; pressed both nominees on advancing Alaska's gas pipeline, upholding infrastructure-law funding obligations▶ 1:09:15, and reforming the Office of Indian Energy, noting its first tribal loan guarantee only closed in September after years of delay▶ 1:11:07.

• Sen. John Hickenlooper (D-CO)▶ 1:13:39: Asked Griffith about grid priorities amid AI-driven demand growth▶ 1:14:11 and about protecting NREL funding in Colorado▶ 1:15:07; asked Gil about engaging young people in STEM▶ 1:16:21 and Griffith about geothermal energy support▶ 1:18:53.

• Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA)▶ 1:19:43: Asked Gil about supporting reauthorization of the National Quantum Initiative▶ 1:20:13; pressed Griffith on Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) workforce cuts, citing former BPA leaders' warning that reductions make outages "practically inevitable"▶ 1:22:06, and on whether he would oppose any auctioning off of PMA/BPA assets▶ 1:24:19.

Key moments

• Chair Lee announced that Kathleen Sgamma had withdrawn her nomination to lead the Bureau of Land Management, leaving only two nominees for the hearing▶ 0:15:53.

• Heinrich pressed Griffith on a 2019 House subpoena related to impeachment proceedings that he did not comply with; Griffith said DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel deemed it invalid because it barred White House counsel from attending and didn't protect executive privilege▶ 0:40:55.

• Both nominees affirmed under Heinrich's questioning that the power to rescind obligated funds rests with Congress, not the executive branch or "the Department of Government Efficiency"▶ 0:41:32▶ 0:41:58▶ 0:42:25.

• Griffith identified three DOE offices he sees as vulnerable to staffing cuts: the Grid Deployment Office, the Office of Cybersecurity, Energy Security and Emergency Response (CESER/"Caesar"), and the Clean Energy Demonstrations office▶ 0:51:27▶ 0:53:32.

• Cantwell cited former BPA administrators Randy Hardy and Steve Wright, who said current workforce reduction risk is "unacceptable" and further cuts would make outages "practically inevitable"▶ 1:22:38; Griffith said he was unaware of the specific report but was committed to working with the committee▶ 1:23:02.

• Cantwell asked Griffith directly whether he would commit to opposing any auctioning off of BPA/PMA assets; Griffith said he was unaware of any such discussions and it's "not something I would be a proponent of"▶ 1:24:19▶ 1:25:03.

• Gil said the U.S. spends about $850 billion a year on R&D, with roughly $600 billion from the private sector, underscoring the need for public-private collaboration▶ 0:48:41.

• Murkowski noted the Office of Indian Energy closed its first tribal loan guarantee only in September after years of delay, and said the program had focused too narrowly on solar despite pressing needs in Alaska Native communities▶ 1:10:35▶ 1:11:07.

• Gil called for a "National Defense Education Act 2.0," citing reversal of 20 years of eighth-grade math progress since the pandemic and lagging U.S. STEM graduation rates compared to China▶ 1:17:19.

• Sen. Justice brought his dog "Babydog" into the hearing room during his questioning time; Chair Lee stated "Babydog's testimony will be admitted into the record without objection"▶ 1:02:44.

Metadata

Official titleHearings to examine the nominations of Preston Griffith, of Virginia, to be Under Secretary, and Dario Gil, of New York, to be Under Secretary for Science, both of the Department of Energy.
CommitteeSenate Energy and Natural Resources
Chamber / CongressSenate · 119th Congress
DateApril 10, 2025
TypeMeeting
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Transcript199 caption blocks · 8,035 words · 1:25:57 runtime
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