Hearings to examine perspectives from the field, focusing on conservation

Farm Economy and USDA OversightSenate Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry · May 13, 2025 · 119th Congress
The Senate Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry Committee held this hearing to gather perspectives from farmers, ranchers, and conservation organizations on how farm bill conservation programs are working and what changes producers want in the next farm bill reauthorization. Begins at ▶ 0:09:11
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Farm Bill conservation programs, funding demand, and NRCS staffing cuts

Purpose

The Senate Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry Committee held this hearing to gather perspectives from farmers, ranchers, and conservation organizations on how farm bill conservation programs are working and what changes producers want in the next farm bill reauthorization. Six witnesses discussed voluntary, locally led conservation programs (EQIP, CSP, CRP, ACEP, wetland easements), oversubscription and underfunding of these programs, and concerns about recent NRCS staffing cuts. Begins at▶ 0:09:11

Who spoke

• Chair John Boozman (R-AR)▶ 0:09:11: Opened by stressing that conservation programs must remain locally led, voluntary, and incentive-driven▶ 0:10:22, and argued the farm bill framework streamlines implementation and reinvests unspent Inflation Reduction Act funds into conservation programs▶ 0:11:47; later questioned witnesses on locally led delivery▶ 0:51:27 and on land valuation for conservation easements [0:09:31, in Sen. Bennet's exchange, chair introduced].

• Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), Ranking Member▶ 0:12:36: Warned proposed ~$300 billion cuts to food assistance could jeopardize a bipartisan farm bill▶ 0:12:36; raised concern over the loss of 2,400 NRCS employees and funding pauses▶ 0:15:20; questioned Tjeerdsma on CRP's farm and wildlife benefits▶ 0:58:17 and Dwyer on impacts of NRCS/FSA staffing cuts▶ 1:02:25.

• Sen. John Thune (R-SD)▶ 0:16:38: Introduced witness Lynn Tjeerdsma, describing his history working on three farm bills and his conservation expertise▶ 0:17:21.

• Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-MS)▶ 0:19:38: Introduced witnesses Gary Blair, Brad Doyle, and Chad Ellis▶ 0:19:38; later asked Blair about CSP/EQIP funding demand in Mississippi▶ 0:14:51 and about watershed flood-control infrastructure needs▶ 1:17:18, and asked Tjeerdsma about reducing wetland easement program burdens▶ 1:18:45.

• Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL)▶ 0:22:47: Introduced witness Megan Dwyer, recommended the book "The Worst Hard Time" on the Dust Bowl▶ 0:24:08; later questioned Dwyer on a fatal 2023 Illinois dust storm and low conservation funding in Illinois▶ 1:21:07, on nutrient runoff to the Gulf▶ 1:23:42, and on Illinois' record corn yields▶ 1:24:56.

• Gary Blair, National President, National Association of Conservation Districts▶ 0:24:31: Said conservation districts partner with NRCS at no added federal cost▶ 0:54:26; expressed concern about the loss of nearly 2,400 NRCS employees and a possible return to FY2020 staffing levels▶ 0:26:39; noted FY2024 NRCS funded only 43% of the $8.7 billion in EQIP/CSP applications requested▶ 0:27:58.

• Brad Doyle, Arkansas Farm Bureau / soybean farmer▶ 0:29:45: Said inflation-adjusted crop cash receipts have fallen $67 billion (22%) since 2022 while input costs stay near record highs▶ 0:31:42; described using EQIP to build a farm reservoir, taking 45 acres permanently out of production▶ 0:56:29; said only 25% of FY23 conservation projects in Arkansas were funded due to oversubscription▶ 1:33:22.

• Lynn Tjeerdsma, Pheasants Forever/Quail Forever board member▶ 0:35:06: Cited PF/QF's 490,000 members and over $1 billion invested in 580 habitat projects since 1982▶ 0:36:25; said South Dakota pheasant hunting generated $281 million for the state economy in 2023▶ 0:37:56; described enrolling 16 poor-soil acres in CRP, raising average soybean yield by at least 10 bushels/acre▶ 0:59:58.

• Chad Ellis, CEO, Texas Agricultural Land Trust▶ 0:40:31: Said Texas lost over 18,000 farms and ranches in the past five years and is losing roughly 1,000 acres of working land per day to development▶ 0:42:13; urged eliminating adjusted gross income limitations on ACEP-ALE payments▶ 0:43:53; recommended valuation systems that reward conservation rather than treat easements as anti-development▶ 1:10:37.

• Megan Dwyer, Director of Conservation and Nutrient Stewardship, Illinois Corn Growers Association▶ 0:45:42: Said Illinois received only 1.3% of EQIP funding in 2018-2024 despite having 24 million acres of cropland▶ 0:46:44; described securing an additional $15 million in state funds to more than double Illinois' cropland conservation budget▶ 0:47:09; linked underfunded conservation to risks like the fatal 2023 Illinois dust storm▶ 0:48:03.

• Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA)▶ 1:03:56: Described her Streamlining Conservation Practice Standards bill to speed adoption of new conservation technologies with bipartisan cosponsors including Durbin, Marshall, and Heinrich▶ 1:04:57; asked Dwyer about delays in updating practice standards▶ 1:06:18 and Blair about trust in local delivery▶ 1:07:38.

• Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO)▶ 1:09:06: Asked Ellis how conservation easement valuations could better reflect ecological and water benefits rather than just lost development potential, citing Colorado's 3 million acres of critical habitat▶ 0:09:23; asked Blair how NRCS can support site-specific conservation planning given thin staffing▶ 1:13:27.

• Sen. Jim Justice (R-WV)▶ 1:26:01: Argued conservation funding is inadequate — "funding a program with one dollar when it needs 10" — and warned of a looming energy and agriculture crisis if underfunding continues▶ 1:28:51.

• Sen. Elissa Slotkin (D-MI)▶ 1:31:41: Asked witnesses about the impact of roughly 2,400 lost NRCS conservation staff▶ 1:32:33; raised concerns about wetland determinations overreaching to cover minor "wet spots" in fields▶ 1:34:10.

• Sen. Peter Welch (D-VT)▶ 1:35:46: Pressed on whether wetland review can be done with a smaller staff▶ 1:35:46; questioned whether conservation work can succeed after DOGE-related staff terminations and asked how the committee should "re-resource"▶ 1:38:28▶ 1:38:52.

Key moments

• Klobuchar warned that proposed food assistance cuts near $300 billion could make passing a bipartisan farm bill "very difficult"▶ 0:12:36.

• Blair said FY2024 NRCS funded only 43% of the $8.7 billion in EQIP/CSP applications requested by producers, calling farm bill conservation programs "constantly oversubscribed"▶ 0:27:58.

• Doyle testified that inflation-adjusted crop cash receipts have declined $67 billion (22%) since 2022 while input costs remain near record highs▶ 0:31:42.

• Ellis said Texas is losing roughly 1,000 acres of working land per day to development, converting farmland to "the crop of concrete"▶ 0:42:13▶ 0:42:41.

• Dwyer said Illinois, with 24 million acres of cropland, received only 1.3% of EQIP funding from 2018-2024, and linked underfunded conservation to a fatal 2023 dust storm that closed a major Illinois interstate▶ 0:46:44▶ 1:21:07.

• Boozman recounted an 8-fatality, 72-vehicle pileup on I-55 in May 2023 caused by a dust storm, tying it to low conservation investment in dust-prone counties▶ 1:21:07.

• Klobuchar and multiple senators (Slotkin, Welch, Justice) raised alarm over the loss of roughly 2,400 NRCS employees; Blair confirmed concern about losing recently trained staff to early terminations▶ 0:15:20▶ 1:37:29.

• Tjeerdsma described using precision-agriculture yield maps to target his least productive 16 acres for CRP enrollment, raising average soybean yield on the remaining ground by at least 10 bushels per acre while also collecting a CRP payment▶ 0:59:58.

• Justice argued current conservation funding is like "funding a program with one dollar when it needs 10," warning of a coming energy and agriculture "meltdown" without change▶ 1:28:51▶ 1:30:57.

• Slotkin and Tjeerdsma discussed whether "a wet spot on a field" is being over-classified as a protected wetland, with Tjeerdsma suggesting NRCS conduct additional wetland redeterminations to fix the problem▶ 1:34:35▶ 1:35:34.

Metadata

CommitteeSenate Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry
Chamber / CongressSenate · 119th Congress
DateMay 13, 2025
TypeMeeting
Witnesses
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Transcript243 caption blocks · 11,107 words · 1:41:52 runtime
EventCongress.gov 336943