AISenate Finance Committee considers nominees amid health premium fight

Treasury and HHS ConfirmationsSenate Finance · October 29, 2025 · 119th Congress
The Senate Finance Committee met to consider four Trump administration nominees: Arjun Mody to be Deputy Commissioner of Social Security, Jeffrey Goettman to be Deputy U.S. Begins at ▶ 0:24:12
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Senate Finance Committee considers nominees amid health premium fight

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The Senate Finance Committee met to consider four Trump administration nominees: Arjun Mody to be Deputy Commissioner of Social Security, Jeffrey Goettman to be Deputy U.S. Trade Representative, Julie Callahan to be Chief Agricultural Negotiator at USTR, and Thomas Bell to be Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services. The hearing occurred against the backdrop of the ongoing government shutdown and expiring enhanced ACA premium tax credits, which dominated much of the opening statements and questioning alongside the nominees' qualifications. Begins at▶ 0:24:12

Who spoke

• Chair Mike Crapo (R-ID)▶ 0:24:12: Opened the hearing introducing all four nominees and their qualifications▶ 0:24:27; defended Bell's nomination against Democratic claims the IG position isn't legally vacant▶ 0:27:48; pushed back on Wyden, saying Republicans voted 13 times to reopen the government and that expiring COVID-era premium support accounts for only about 4% of coming premium increases▶ 0:37:26▶ 0:38:17; questioned all four nominees on their portfolios▶ 1:05:08▶ 1:06:13▶ 1:07:39▶ 1:08:53.

• Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), Ranking Member▶ 0:28:29: Warned constituents "Bart and Carla" from Eugene face a 500% premium increase▶ 0:28:54; said the committee has held no health care hearing in 400 days▶ 0:31:06; argued Bell shouldn't testify because the IG position isn't legally vacant and criticized his Planned Parenthood investigation as reckless and privacy-violating▶ 0:32:28▶ 1:14:44; pressed Bell on whether Trump's IG firings violated the 93-1 Inspector General Independence Act▶ 1:11:35; later disputed Mody's claim that SSA's dashboard is fully transparent, saying dozens of customer-service metrics were removed▶ 2:40:16; pressed Callahan on what USTR is doing today to lower fertilizer input costs▶ 2:38:20.

• Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY)▶ 0:40:31: Introduced Mody, calling Obamacare's failures the cause of premium hikes rather than expiring subsidies▶ 0:40:59; praised Mody's Senate staff career▶ 0:41:56; later asked Callahan about assurances that Argentine beef imports won't undercut American ranchers▶ 1:47:49.

• Arjun Mody, SSA Deputy Commissioner nominee▶ 0:39:11: Confirmed no conflicts of interest▶ 0:39:11; described his father's immigration story and career at the VA▶ 0:47:28; outlined "service and control" priorities for SSA's 50,000-person workforce and $1.5 trillion annual spend▶ 0:48:53; said call wait times dropped from about an hour under Biden to about seven minutes▶ 1:47:11; declined to give a clear yes/no when Sen. Whitehouse pressed on completing a "total review" of SSA database security▶ 1:40:12.

• Jeffrey Goettman, Deputy USTR nominee▶ 0:39:41: Confirmed no conflicts▶ 0:39:41; described deindustrialization in his hometown of Springfield, Ohio, which lost over 90% of manufacturing jobs▶ 0:52:04; pledged to support re-industrialization▶ 0:53:00; told Sen. Grassley he could not directly engage on USMCA issues pending confirmation▶ 0:20:25; discussed tariffing based on foreign environmental/labor standard failures with Sen. Whitehouse▶ 1:43:10.

• Dr. Julie Callahan, Chief Agricultural Negotiator nominee▶ 0:39:43: Confirmed no conflicts▶ 0:39:43; testified American agriculture is under "great stress" from retaliation and unfair trade practices▶ 0:58:22; said the U.S. agricultural trade balance swung from a $6 billion surplus four years ago to a $34 billion deficit last year▶ 1:48:54; committed to reopening China's beef market▶ 1:24:19; declined multiple times to name which country China is buying soybeans from instead of the U.S. under questioning from Sen. Warren▶ 2:05:39; defended tariff-exempt product lists for coffee, cocoa, and spices as negotiating leverage▶ 1:57:49.

• Thomas Bell, HHS Inspector General nominee▶ 0:39:45: Confirmed no conflicts▶ 0:39:45; described his prior findings of HHS waste including 20 separate procurement centers paying different prices for the same computers and 522 duplicative line-item programs▶ 1:02:12; declined to say whether Trump's IG firings without 30 days' notice violated the law, calling the matter "already litigated"▶ 1:12:32; committed to continued oversight of Medicare Advantage fraud, assisted-suicide funding restrictions, and abortion clinic oversight▶ 1:35:43▶ 1:37:14▶ 1:38:12.

• Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA)▶ 1:15:41: Raised the farm income crisis, citing fertilizer as the second-highest input cost and Moroccan phosphate duties▶ 1:16:12; asked about nontariff barriers to Chinese beef exports▶ 1:17:40; asked Goettman about getting U.S. dairy into Canada under USMCA▶ 1:19:48.

• Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT)▶ 1:21:33: Recounted opening China's beef market in 2017▶ 1:22:11; asked whether progress is being made reopening China's beef market, noting exports "plummeted" since March▶ 1:23:58; asked about wheat access in Japan and South Korea▶ 1:26:12.

• Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO)▶ 1:27:55: Criticized the administration's $20 billion Argentina currency swap and soybean purchase incoherence, comparing it unfavorably to conditions attached to a 1995 Mexico swap▶ 1:30:48; noted Argentine beef is only about 2% of U.S. imports, too small to affect grocery prices▶ 1:31:18.

• Sen. James Lankford (R-OK)▶ 1:34:02: Asked Bell to commit to continuing Medicare Advantage up-coding oversight▶ 1:35:31; raised nursing home paperwork burdens▶ 1:36:13 and oversight of the 1997 law barring federal funds for assisted suicide, citing 60 assisted-suicide cases tied to eating disorders▶ 1:37:14; asked about oversight of abortion clinics▶ 1:38:29.

• Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)▶ 1:39:32: Pressed Mody on completing a "total review" of SSA data security after reports data was copied to an unsecured cloud server▶ 1:41:07; questioned Goettman on tariffing foreign competitors that skirt environmental standards, including ocean plastic waste▶ 1:44:04.

• Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA)▶ 1:51:12: Noted no progress on market access for tree fruit, apples, cherries, or fresh potatoes into Japan▶ 1:51:12; pressed Goettman on port fees affecting Northwest shipping versus Vancouver/Prince Rupert▶ 1:53:13; asked Bell about extending ACA premium tax credits▶ 1:55:04.

• Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV)▶ 1:56:36: Said retail coffee prices surged 20% in August due to a 50% Brazil tariff despite the U.S. producing no significant coffee▶ 1:57:26; announced legislation with Sen. Paul to remove tariffs on coffee▶ 1:59:35; cited the National Cattlemen's Beef Association opposing increased Argentine beef imports▶ 2:00:59.

• Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)▶ 2:02:07: Called the $40 billion Argentina bailout a betrayal of American soybean farmers, quoting a farmer's frustration▶ 2:03:08; repeatedly pressed Callahan to name the countries now selling soybeans to China, which Callahan would not specify beyond "Latin American"▶ 2:06:01; argued Argentine beef import increases will harm small ranchers without lowering consumer prices▶ 2:06:33.

• Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)▶ 2:08:00: Praised Bell's prior work uncovering over $2 billion funneled to abortion providers over two years▶ 2:08:56; asked Callahan about Mexican tomato dumping harming Tennessee's $50 million tomato industry▶ 2:12:13.

• Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH)▶ 2:13:35: Asked all four nominees whether they would follow the law over a presidential directive to break it, and found Mody's, Goettman's, and Callahan's answers evasive▶ 2:14:03; cited a $300 million Medicare fraud finding on methadone clinics and asked Bell to continue investigating opioid treatment billing▶ 2:17:07; pressed on AGOA and the Haiti economic program's September 30 expiration and China's $60 billion trade surplus with Africa▶ 2:19:27.

• Sen. Peter Welch (D-VT)▶ 2:23:23: Pressed Goettman repeatedly on whether tariff policy should be consistent, calling responses "empty rhetoric"▶ 2:25:14; cited small business owners in coffee and bike shops harmed by tariff volatility, quoting Bill Wilson of Birds and Beans Coffee▶ 2:28:29; asked Mody about updating the $255 Social Security death benefit set in 1955▶ 2:30:38.

• Sen. Roger Marshall (R-KS)▶ 2:31:07: Asked Mody about SSA's operational challenges▶ 2:31:37; discussed value-added agricultural exports like ethanol, beef, and soybean meal with Callahan, noting the U.S. exported 2.86 billion bushels of corn this year▶ 2:33:27.

Key moments

• Sen. Wyden said a couple in Eugene, Oregon will pay 500% more for the same health insurance next year, framing it as the reason the hearing's timing was inappropriate▶ 0:28:54.

• Chair Crapo countered that expiring COVID-era premium subsidies account for only about 4% of the coming premium increase▶ 0:38:17, a figure Sen. Barrasso repeated separately▶ 0:40:59.

• Sharp exchange: Sen. Wyden asked Bell point-blank whether Trump violated the law by firing IGs without the 30-day notice required by the 93-1 Inspector General Independence Act; Bell said the matter "has been already litigated," which Wyden rejected as nonresponsive▶ 1:11:35▶ 1:12:32.

• Dr. Callahan disclosed the U.S. agricultural trade balance swung from a $6 billion surplus four years ago to a $34 billion deficit last year▶ 1:48:54.

• Sen. Warren repeatedly asked Callahan to name which country is now selling soybeans to China in place of the U.S.; Callahan would only say "Latin American soybeans," prompting Warren to say she couldn't represent American soybean farmers if she wouldn't answer▶ 2:05:39▶ 2:06:01.

• Mr. Bell testified that as OCR chief of staff he found HHS had 20 separate procurement centers paying different prices for the same computers, and 522 line-item programs including two dozen virtually identical job-training programs▶ 1:02:12▶ 1:02:39.

• Sen. Hassan asked all four nominees whether they'd follow the law over a presidential directive to break it; Mody, Goettman, and Callahan gave answers Hassan called unacceptable, while Bell explicitly committed to following the law and Constitution▶ 2:14:03▶ 2:15:15.

• Sen. Cortez Masto said retail coffee prices rose 20% in August due to a 50% tariff on Brazil, despite the U.S. producing almost no coffee domestically, and announced bipartisan legislation with Sen. Paul to remove the tariff▶ 1:57:26▶ 1:59:35.

• Sen. Bennet said the administration extended Argentina a $20 billion currency swap plus $20 billion more from U.S. banks with no conditions comparable to those attached to a 1995 Mexico bailout▶ 1:30:48.

• Sen. Whitehouse pressed Mody on whether SSA's chief data officer's claim that a huge data set was copied to an unsecured cloud server would be part of a promised "total review"; Mody repeatedly answered only that databases are "monitored," not directly confirming the review's scope▶ 1:41:07▶ 1:41:16.

Metadata

Official titleHearings to examine the nominations of Arjun Mody, of New Jersey, to be Deputy Commissioner Social Security for the term expiring January 19, 2031, Jeffrey Goettman, of Virginia, to be a Deputy United States Trade Representative (Africa, Western Hemisphere, Europe, the Middle East, Environment, Labor, and Industrial Competitiveness), with the Rank of Ambassador, Julie Callahan, of the District of Columbia, to be Chief Agricultural Negotiator, Office of the United States Trade Representative, with the rank of Ambassador, and Thomas Bell, of Virginia, to be Inspector General, Department of Health and Human Services.
CommitteeSenate Finance
Chamber / CongressSenate · 119th Congress
DateOctober 29, 2025
TypeMeeting
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