AISenate confirmation hearing for FDIC, Ginnie Mae, FHA, and Mint nominees

Digital Assets and Bank RegulationSenate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs · October 30, 2025 · 119th Congress
The Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee met to consider four Trump administration nominees: Joseph Gormley to lead Ginnie Mae, Francis Cassidy to be an Assistant Secretary of HUD overseeing the FHA, Paul Hollis to be Director of the Mint, and Travis Hill to be full-term Chairman of the FDIC Board. Begins at ▶ 0:20:31
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Senate confirmation hearing for FDIC, Ginnie Mae, FHA, and Mint nominees

Purpose

The Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee met to consider four Trump administration nominees: Joseph Gormley to lead Ginnie Mae, Francis Cassidy to be an Assistant Secretary of HUD overseeing the FHA, Paul Hollis to be Director of the Mint, and Travis Hill to be full-term Chairman of the FDIC Board. Questioning focused heavily on FDIC workplace culture and sexual harassment findings from a 2023 report, bank capital and examiner staffing, housing affordability, and coin design controversies involving President Trump's likeness. Begins at▶ 0:20:31

Who spoke

• Chair Rick Scott (R-FL)▶ 0:20:31: Opened the hearing, argued Democrats are focused on "shutdown theatrics" rather than governing▶ 0:21:09, praised all four nominees' qualifications, and later questioned Hill on his unanimous 2022 confirmation versus current opposition▶ 0:48:56 and on FDIC culture reforms▶ 0:49:44.

• Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Ranking Member▶ 0:25:02: Said the government has been shut down 30 days over health care costs▶ 0:25:02, raised "substantive" concerns about all four nominees▶ 0:25:34, and pressed hardest on Hill's FDIC tenure, workplace culture failures, and a proposed capital rule she said a former FDIC chair and vice chair warned would increase bailout risk▶ 0:57:51▶ 0:58:12; later disputed Sen. Moreno's housing affordability claims▶ 2:01:51.

• Sen. Chuck Grassley (introduced by Chair Scott)▶ 0:30:31: Gave a brief statement praising Travis Hill's prior work for the Banking Committee and the FDIC before leaving for a Finance Committee floor obligation▶ 0:30:54.

• Joseph Gormley, Ginnie Mae nominee▶ 0:33:14: Described Ginnie Mae's ~$2.8 trillion portfolio guaranteeing FHA, VA, and USDA-backed mortgage securities▶ 0:33:58; later said the agency published an RFI on the future of reverse mortgage programs on October 2▶ 1:44:03.

• Francis Cassidy, HUD/FHA nominee▶ 0:36:00: Said he became a homeowner at 20 using an FHA loan▶ 0:38:30 and that his top priority is streamlining FHA loan programs▶ 0:39:22; told Sen. Smith he could not discuss HUD layoffs under litigation▶ 1:08:10 and told Sen. Warnock the median first-time homebuyer age has risen from the mid-20s to 38▶ 1:50:07.

• Paul Hollis, Mint nominee▶ 0:41:07: Described a lifelong numismatics career, 12 years in the Louisiana legislature, and election to the state education board▶ 0:43:35; repeatedly told senators he would follow legal counsel and comply with the law regarding a possible Trump coin▶ 1:18:38▶ 1:43:13.

• Travis Hill, FDIC nominee▶ 0:45:43: Said he was confirmed unanimously as Vice Chairman in December 2022▶ 0:49:09 and has served as Acting Chairman for nine months▶ 0:46:15; defended workforce and capital decisions, and described new Office of Professional Conduct and EEO offices addressing culture▶ 0:50:24▶ 1:12:40.

• Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA)▶ 1:00:39: Praised Paul Hollis as "a favorite son in Louisiana"▶ 1:00:39; then confronted Hill with graphic details from the 234-page Gottlieb report on FDIC harassment▶ 1:01:22, demanded a 30-day report on discipline, and said he would not vote for Hill absent it▶ 1:04:18.

• Sen. Tina Smith (D-MN)▶ 1:05:47: Pressed Cassidy on HUD's termination of about 400 employees affecting housing counseling▶ 1:07:10 and disputed his claim that local nonprofits can fully replace HUD's statutory counseling role▶ 1:10:03.

• Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC)▶ 1:11:13: Said he would support Cassidy's and Hill's nominations▶ 1:11:13▶ 1:15:57; asked Hill about Operation Chokepoint as an example of politicized bank examinations▶ 1:14:51 and sought FDIC technical support for his new Fair Access to Banking Act▶ 1:15:39.

• A committee member (questioning on the 1866 coin law)▶ 1:16:43: Asked Hollis about the law barring currency depicting living persons and pressed him on reports of a proposed Trump one-dollar coin▶ 1:17:04.

• Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD)▶ 1:19:13: Argued a reported Trump coin bearing "Fight, Fight, Fight" mirrors Trump's profit-making meme coin and would be illegal▶ 1:19:39; criticized HUD layoffs, citing a federal judge's finding they were political retribution tied to the shutdown▶ 1:21:43.

• Sen. Bernie Moreno (R-OH)▶ 1:22:07: Noted the FDIC harassment story broke via a November 2023 Wall Street Journal report and that his predecessor Sherrod Brown said nothing beforehand▶ 1:22:51; cited National Association of Realtors data claiming housing affordability rose 6.5 points since January▶ 1:25:20.

• Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI)▶ 1:27:51: Asked Hill whether loosened capital/examination rules risk repeating pre-2008 complacency amid failures at First Brands and Tricolor▶ 1:28:21; asked Cassidy about underuse of the FHA 221(d)(4) multifamily program, noting only 143 units financed in FY24▶ 1:32:39.

• Sen. Bill Hagerty (R-TN)▶ 1:34:02: Discussed deposit flight from regional to large banks after Silicon Valley Bank's 2023 failure▶ 1:34:26, cited a 45% drop in community banks since 2010▶ 1:35:30, and described his bipartisan Main Street Depositor Protection Act with Sen. Alsobrooks expanding insurance for non-interest-bearing accounts▶ 1:36:20.

• Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV)▶ 1:39:16: Asked Cassidy about FHA financing for community land trusts in Nevada▶ 1:39:53 and raised concerns about HUD and BLM staffing cuts affecting Nevada housing▶ 1:41:21; asked Hollis about the American Women's Quarters/bicentennial coin legislation being used for a circulating presidential dollar coin▶ 1:42:22.

• Sen. Katie Britt (R-AL)▶ 1:44:38: Noted former FDIC Chairman Greenberg held leadership roles for over 20 years without Democrats calling for his resignation▶ 1:45:05; asked Hill about a proposed FDIC/OCC rule to tighten the Matters Requiring Attention (MRA) process▶ 1:47:21.

• Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-GA)▶ 1:49:54: Pressed Cassidy on the rising median first-time homebuyer age and his own Down Payment Toward Equity Act▶ 1:53:47; raised concerns that shortened foreclosure timelines favor investors, noting 25-30% of single-family homes in Atlanta are investor-owned▶ 1:54:54.

• Sen. Angela Alsobrooks (D-MD)▶ 1:55:53: Noted the shutdown's impact on federal workers in Maryland▶ 1:55:53; questioned Hill on how deposit insurance premiums are calculated and whether a 10-year transition period would raise costs for community banks▶ 1:57:10▶ 1:59:09.

Key moments

• Warren said the FDIC's Chief Risk Officer found an average of 40% of big-bank examiner positions in the FDIC's New York office were vacant or filled by temporary staff before the Signature Bank failure▶ 0:55:22; Hill disagreed with characterizations but confirmed the agency made "small decreases" in safety-and-soundness examiners▶ 0:56:41▶ 1:00:53.

• Warren cited an FDIC proposal that would cut megabank capital cushions by 27%, or about $200 billion, and reduce lending capacity by over $2.5 trillion, which she said the former Republican FDIC chair and vice chair warned would increase bailout risk▶ 0:57:51▶ 0:58:12; Hill responded the aggregate parent-company capital impact is less than 2%▶ 0:58:56.

• Sen. Kennedy read graphic excerpts from the 234-page Gottlieb report — including supervisors' comments about employees' bodies and an unsolicited explicit photo — and said he would not vote for Hill's confirmation unless given a 30-day accounting of discipline▶ 1:02:11▶ 1:04:43▶ 1:05:25.

• Sen. Moreno noted the FDIC harassment scandal was public for six months before Chairman Greenberg was asked to resign in May 2024, and that Greenberg then stayed in the position drawing a paycheck until January▶ 1:23:40▶ 1:24:10.

• Dueling housing-affordability claims: Moreno cited a National Association of Realtors affordability index he said rose 6.5 points since January, with regional scores like 135.6 (Midwest) versus under 75 (Southwest)▶ 1:25:20▶ 1:26:07; Warren countered that no U.S. community lets a minimum-wage worker afford rent and that median home prices hit record highs this year▶ 2:02:20.

• Sen. Van Hollen said a proposed Trump-likeness coin reportedly bearing "Fight, Fight, Fight" mirrors the slogan on Trump's profit-generating meme coin and would violate an 1866 law barring currency depicting living persons▶ 1:19:13▶ 1:19:39; Hollis repeatedly declined to give an opinion, saying he would consult legal counsel▶ 1:20:10.

• Sen. Reed asked whether loosened leverage-capital and examination rules risk repeating pre-2008 complacency, citing over 6% subprime auto loan delinquency (a record) and recent collapses of First Brands and Tricolor▶ 1:28:43▶ 1:29:30; Hill called the failures "idiosyncratic" but said the FDIC remains vigilant▶ 1:30:27.

• Cassidy told Sen. Smith he could not detail HUD's ~400 employee reduction, including housing counseling staff, because it is under litigation▶ 1:08:10, prompting Smith to question how the office could continue functioning without staff▶ 1:10:55.

• Hagerty and Hill discussed how expanding deposit insurance for non-interest-bearing payroll accounts (the Main Street Depositor Protection Act) could reduce bank-run incentives following the 2023 flight of hundreds of billions of dollars in deposits from regional to large banks▶ 1:34:58▶ 1:37:24.

• Chair Scott closed by saying the shutdown has left Capitol Police, staff, and air traffic controllers unpaid and that SNAP benefits for 42 million Americans would lapse Saturday, blaming Democrats for refusing to negotiate▶ 2:04:14▶ 2:04:43.

Metadata

Official titleHearings to examine the nominations of Joseph Gormley, of Maryland, to be President, Government National Mortgage Association, Francis Cassidy, of Pennsylvania, to be an Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Paul Hollis, of Louisiana, to be Director of the Mint for a term of five years, and Travis Hill, of Maryland, to be Chairperson of the Board of Directors of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation for a term of five years.
CommitteeSenate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
Chamber / CongressSenate · 119th Congress
DateOctober 30, 2025
TypeMeeting
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