AIConfirmation hearing for three Pentagon nominees amid Europe troop cuts

Defense Posture and Global ThreatsSenate Armed Services · November 4, 2025 · 119th Congress
The Senate Armed Services Committee convened this hearing to consider three Department of Defense civilian nominations: Austin Dahmer for Assistant Secretary for Strategy, Plans, and Forces; Dr. Begins at ▶ 0:01:58
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Confirmation hearing for three Pentagon nominees amid Europe troop cuts

Purpose

The Senate Armed Services Committee convened this hearing to consider three Department of Defense civilian nominations: Austin Dahmer for Assistant Secretary for Strategy, Plans, and Forces; Dr. Robert Kadlec for Assistant Secretary for Nuclear Deterrence, Chemical and Biological Defense Policy and Programs; and Michael Borders for Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Energy, Installations and Environment. Chair Wicker opened by pressing the department on an abrupt withdrawal of a U.S. brigade from Romania, a last-minute change to Dahmer's position title and portfolio, and strained communication between the Pentagon's policy office and Congress, themes that dominated the hearing. Begins at▶ 0:01:58

Who spoke

• Chair Roger Wicker (R-MS)▶ 0:01:58: Opened by honoring the late Richard Cheney▶ 0:02:29, laid out concerns about an unconsulted troop withdrawal from Romania▶ 0:07:13 and lack of communication from the Pentagon's policy office▶ 0:12:41, and later pressed Dahmer on a last-minute change to his nominated position's title and duties▶ 2:13:24 and on which allies were consulted on the forthcoming National Defense Strategy▶ 2:17:28.

• Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI), Ranking Member▶ 0:13:42: Noted the committee learned only two days earlier that Dahmer's position title had changed from "Strategy, Plans and Capabilities" to "Strategy, Plans, and Forces" with the AUKUS portfolio reassigned▶ 0:15:29; in closing questioning, argued Dahmer as acting deputy under secretary should have known key facts and accused him of testifying under "a veil of ignorance"▶ 2:20:09.

• Mr. Michael Borders, nominee for Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Energy, Installations and Environment▶ 0:22:25: Described 28 years of Air Force service including nuclear weapons defense and counterinsurgency operations in Iraq▶ 0:23:26; pledged to prioritize resilient installations, energy assurance, and environmental stewardship▶ 0:25:12, and later committed to Michigan PFAS cleanup timelines▶ 1:35:49 and expediting the Selfridge environmental study▶ 1:37:48.

• Dr. Robert Kadlec, nominee for Assistant Secretary for Nuclear Deterrence, Chemical and Biological Defense Policy Programs▶ 0:27:16: Outlined four priorities including sustaining the nuclear triad, modernizing nuclear command-and-control, and deterring adversary biological weapons use▶ 0:27:45; described his family's history surviving WWII and prior HHS role leading Operation Warp Speed▶ 0:28:41▶ 0:30:53; said he was not privy to classified information on why nuclear testing might resume▶ 0:50:14 and that missile defense at Fort Greely is not his responsibility▶ 1:50:22.

• Mr. Austin Dahmer, nominee for Assistant Secretary of Defense for Strategy, Plans, and Forces▶ 0:32:26: Said he is "not aware of any pause" in U.S. military aid to Ukraine despite the president's own comments referencing one▶ 0:40:20; said he understood Romania was consulted before the withdrawal order but could not name who conducted the consultation or when▶ 0:42:14▶ 2:20:46; confirmed Russia invaded Ukraine▶ 1:22:01 and poses a threat to the U.S.▶ 0:44:40, but repeatedly declined to say whether he discussed potential Venezuela or Nigeria military operations▶ 1:25:16▶ 1:26:21.

• Sen. Deb Fischer (R-NE)▶ 0:51:50: Asked Kadlec about the Strategic Posture Commission's 81 recommendations▶ 0:52:51 and his role overseeing NC3 modernization and the Nuclear Weapons Council▶ 0:56:37.

• Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-HI)▶ 0:57:13: Asked standard fitness-to-serve questions on sexual harassment of all three nominees▶ 0:57:13; pressed Borders on renegotiating Hawaii land leases with cultural significance▶ 0:58:14 and Dahmer on risks of deprioritizing China in the NDS▶ 0:59:10.

• Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD)▶ 1:02:47: Said he had no questions for Kadlec, expressing confidence in him▶ 1:02:47; asked Borders about infrastructure needs at Ellsworth Air Force Base for the B-21▶ 1:03:45 and Dahmer about the risk of simultaneous conflicts with China, Russia, and Iran▶ 1:05:09.

• Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)▶ 1:08:35: Cited nearly 70,000 Palestinian deaths in the Gaza war▶ 1:08:35 and pressed Dahmer on the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation's record, noting over 1,000 killed near its site amid reports of IDF fire▶ 1:11:12; got Dahmer to agree a "demonstrated record of success" matters in choosing aid partners▶ 1:14:03.

• Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL)▶ 1:14:47: Said allies are frustrated they can't get approval to buy American defense products▶ 1:15:16; pressed Dahmer on unfulfilled claims of three prior Romania briefings▶ 1:16:18 and on the policy office diverging from the president on Ukraine arms twice▶ 1:19:58.

• Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA)▶ 1:21:17: Called the "Department of War" rebrand "political cosplay"▶ 1:21:48; got Dahmer to confirm involvement in discussions on Caribbean/Pacific boat strikes▶ 1:22:36 and on evidence sufficiency for particular strikes▶ 1:24:00, but Dahmer declined to confirm involvement regarding Venezuela or Nigeria▶ 1:24:44▶ 1:26:21.

• Sen. Ted Budd (R-NC)▶ 1:27:12: Asked Dahmer about deterring China from seizing Taiwan▶ 1:27:26 and delayed Harpoon coastal defense system deliveries to Taiwan▶ 1:28:35; asked Borders about childcare access at Air Force bases▶ 1:31:53.

• Sen. Elissa Slotkin (D-MI)▶ 1:33:47: Said Romanian officials told senators they learned of the troop withdrawal from the press, not from notification▶ 1:33:47; secured Borders's commitment to keep Michigan PFAS cleanup timelines▶ 1:35:37 and to expedite the Selfridge Air Force Base environmental study▶ 1:37:14.

• Sen. Mark Kelly (D-AZ)▶ 1:38:18: Questioned Kadlec on the strategic rationale for resuming nuclear testing, warning it could push China to test and build a more reliable triad▶ 1:38:39▶ 1:40:54.

• Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-AK)▶ 1:43:43: Said the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy is the hardest official in the administration to reach▶ 1:44:16; obtained commitments from all three nominees to respond to senators the same day▶ 1:45:05 and to visit Alaska▶ 1:53:23; raised the Arctic's absence of infrastructure amid joint Russian-Chinese bomber and naval patrols▶ 1:55:11.

• Sen. Jacky Rosen (D-NV)▶ 1:57:31: Criticized the department's lack of urgency in briefing Congress on the NDS▶ 1:57:31; raised toxic exposure classification parity for Air Force veterans versus DOE personnel▶ 1:58:51 and infrastructure needs at Creech Air Force Base for Collaborative Combat Aircraft▶ 2:01:06.

• Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR)▶ 2:04:36: Gave Dahmer opportunity to respond to Slotkin's Romania account▶ 2:05:31; listed five controversies tied to the policy shop — Ukraine aid, Romania notification, AUKUS review, Middle East asset deployment before Midnight Hammer, and a canceled Japan meeting — asking why so many originate there▶ 2:11:16.

Key moments

• Wicker stated Congress was informed only two days before the hearing that Dahmer's nominated title changed from "Strategy, Plans and Capabilities" to "Strategy, Plans, and Forces," with AUKUS responsibility transferred to a different assistant secretary, per an October 8 memo not delivered to committee staff until the Sunday before the hearing▶ 0:15:10▶ 1:51:37.

• Dahmer repeatedly said he was "not aware of any pause" in Ukraine military aid, even after Wicker noted President Trump himself, when asked who ordered a pause, said "I do not know"▶ 0:40:20▶ 0:41:50.

• Reed and Cotton pressed Dahmer on the abrupt Romania brigade withdrawal; Dahmer said allies were consulted "prior to the order being given" but could not identify who conducted the consultation or the date▶ 0:42:14▶ 2:06:02.

• Slotkin stated Romanian officials told senators directly they learned of the withdrawal "from the press," not through notification, directly contradicting Dahmer's account▶ 1:33:47.

• Warren cited that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation reduced aid distribution from over 400 sites to four, and that more than 1,000 Palestinians were killed near its site amid reports of IDF fire; Dahmer said he lacked "enough information" to assess GHF's record▶ 1:10:40▶ 1:11:41.

• Kaine got Dahmer to confirm involvement in discussions of Caribbean/Pacific boat strikes and strike-sufficiency evidence, but Dahmer declined repeatedly to say whether he'd been involved in discussions of Venezuela or Nigeria operations▶ 1:22:36▶ 1:26:21.

• Kadlec noted a "1042" prior U.S. nuclear tests figure raised by Sen. Kelly and said he had not been briefed on the administration's rationale for resuming testing, while warning renewed testing could prompt Russia and China to follow suit▶ 1:40:50▶ 1:41:22.

• Cotton listed five separate controversies — Ukraine aid, Romania notification, AUKUS review, Middle East asset deployment ahead of the Iran strikes, and a canceled U.S.-Japan ministerial meeting — all originating from the policy shop, asking why other DOD offices don't generate similar controversies▶ 2:11:16.

• Reed closed by accusing Dahmer, despite serving as acting deputy under secretary for policy since March 2025, of cloaking testimony "in a veil of ignorance" on basic facts like Romania's notification date▶ 2:20:09▶ 2:23:58.

• Sullivan said the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy is "the hardest" administration official to reach compared to the President, Secretary Hegseth, and others, and secured same-day response commitments from all three nominees▶ 1:44:44▶ 1:45:52.

Metadata

Official titleHearings to examine the nominations of Austin Dahmer, of Arizona, and Robert Kadlec, of New York, both to be an Assistant Secretary, and Michael Borders, of Florida, to be an Assistant Secretary of the Air Force, all of the Department of Defense.
CommitteeSenate Armed Services
Chamber / CongressSenate · 119th Congress
DateNovember 4, 2025
TypeMeeting
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Transcript484 caption blocks · 18,441 words · 2:25:24 runtime
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